[X] My Assistant

Guy's going wild now, buying all 4+ rapiers of slaughter in the auctions. Why? What use do they have for so many? They do not even have a gold star?

I suspect some players may have secret guilds or something, because I see certain players hoarding up tons of stuff, sometimes secretly, sometimes openly. The ones who do it openly usually it is fine because they hoard up low level cheap rapiers to help people. But the people who hoard up the mid level expensive goods...something is fishy and I don't know if I like it. They could be hoarding to deliberately hurt other players.

If you don't want to sell it, soulfuse it

My plan is that at my current level, I can buy any crap Legendary Rapier of Anything for 300k or less and it will be totally superior to my Legendary Demonic Rapier of Slaughter. (Slaughter is actually the worst suffix for any underleveled rapier, as its only bonus gets easily outleveled). I was hoping to do it with the Legendary Demonic Rapier of Nimble but I can wait for the next one. I foolishly let go some great Legendary Rapiers of Balance with superb rolls earlier, to be nice. But next time I will fight for them, because their owners just let them sit there unused and no IW.

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This post has been edited by DJNoni: Nov 2 2017, 10:32

[snip]. Why? What use do they have for so many? Where does their money come from
H@H or Adopt a Server, or both

In quite a bit of asian countries the bandwidth of ISPs is cheap and with high speeds

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Nov 2 2017, 10:33

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Maybe they do bounty?...

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Nov 2 2017, 10:33

I haven't looked into H@H much as it requires bandwidth/resources as mentioned, but Adopt a Server is basically throwing real life cash and converting it into credits, right? Similar to selling a gold star? This sucks...

And it would be one thing if a few people threw real life cash to obtain equipment...but we have secret group, maybe proxying through each other....this just feels too dirty.

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Nov 2 2017, 10:34

[One01] Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter (422, ADB 72%, Parry 71%) (seller: lzy0715) 1357029980@qq.com 3.333m #72
[One02] Legendary Shocking Rapier of Slaughter (353, ADB 91%, Parry 42%) (seller: Nonfar) 1357029980@qq.com 5.555m #86

I just looked up to the stats and...lol
My price check for those would be 500k and 1.5m...(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I would say possibly 1.5 million and 4 million (I saw identical looking rapiers go for 1 million and 3 million in auctions a few months ago, before the guys appeared) but agreed. That's why I stopped bidding. These guys are nuts and it doesn't seem like they are playing by clean rules.

Most likely they are not buying the rapiers for themselves to use. But I guess not all the chinese guys are in one secret group at least because we have some chinese guys fighting other chinese guys...

Last week's auctions which were dominated by the chinese guys, everything roughly sold for 10x (literally) the expected amount. All the power armors, etc...

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Nov 2 2017, 10:34

I haven't looked into H@H much as it requires bandwidth/resources as mentioned, but Adopt a Server is basically throwing real life cash and converting it into credits, right? Similar to selling a gold star? This sucks...

And it would be one thing if a few people threw real life cash to obtain equipment...but we have secret group, maybe proxying through each other....this just feels too dirty.

Why does it matter that they're Chinese or Korean? Does that have something to do with their worthiness to bid or win?

They have the credits, they want the items. What they plan to do with them isn't really any of our business. But I can't imagine anything nefarious they could do with them that would warrant worry. I mean, I just sort of assume they're going to put the sharp end into some monsters. S'what I'd do with'm.

People playing the game differently than you or I, as long as they're not breaking any rules is something to just shrug at, ignore, and not get worked up over. Period.

If there is something actually suspicious going on, the mods can look into it. If there is actual rulesbreaking happening, they can handle it. There is literally nothing we can or should be doing with that process.

The only thing that remains is the unhappiness of not being able to afford a stabbin' stick that apparently is worth over 5m.

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Nov 2 2017, 10:35

I'd like to buy some good Legendary Radiant or Charged Phase of Heimdall for 1m or less,too.
Why doesn't other guys go away and let me win for cheap price? Is this chinese person too?
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It doesn't really matter what nationality they are (aside from the fact that they may be speaking in their native language in some secret gatherings somewhere, which is not inherently a problem).

But their actions of paying large amounts of real life cash (current theory here) and grouping together into alliances, when considered together...there may be a problem with this. I am not sure. But in any game where real life cash starts being converted into assets, I get suspicious. That's one reason I haven't paid any real life cash into this game myself, even though I probably could if I wanted to.

It (may) violate certain moral principles I have, especially when taken to extremes, and used to bully others.

Suppose I paid Tenboro 20 million US dollars, and I just kept buying everything from all the auctions and shops, and then salvaging it. Wouldn't that ruin the game?

This post has been edited by BlueWaterSplash: Nov 2 2017, 09:21

Last week's auctions which were dominated by the chinese guys, everything roughly sold for 10x (literally) the expected amount. All the power armors, etc...

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Back in 2012 auction times are all scattered.
Now nearly every auction end at Saturday China 21:00 and 22:00


I used to set alarm and wake up in the middle of night to bid in Sushi auction.
It's really hard for different time zone player to participate bidding.

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Nov 2 2017, 10:36

Now nearly every auction end at Saturday China 21:00 and 22:00

Actually auctions are set to end around 14:00 UTC
Even in US west coast it should be morning at least.

Do you live in a country in the Pacific Ocean? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Also, there is plenty of rule breaking that can be done that the forum moderators cannot detect. Botting, making new accounts, etc. For example I could be a level 500 baron, and I make new accounts (or simply have allies) and give them tons of money. (Maybe that is how these guys get their money? No way for us to tell, and would be difficult for even moderators to track down).

Now we can raise up an army of overpowered low level players who have millions of credits, under the leadership of the master (who is it? no idea). In turn, these players would all become masters and continue to raise up future generations by giving them lots of money and powering them up...

I don't really have any desire to cheat and this game is not so important to me, but we could all be fighting against cheaters for all we know...and foreign language groups on entirely separate forums make it all the easier to avoid detection by moderators on this forum.

Recently we were told not to do Son of Blackjac. That's fine, but for all we know there already is a Son of Blackjac somewhere in this game, hiding...

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Nov 2 2017, 10:51

Conspiracy, conspiracy everywhere.
Hahaha, LOL.

Dudes & dudettes, just a reminder, don't entertain the train of thought that will make you embarrassed in the future.

My problem with the issue is how some users buy stuff that they don't really intend on using, how can a lvl 500 player with hundreds of millions at their disposition be interested in let's say a 50-60% good cloth piece, shouldn't they had got a better one a long time ago and obviously more expensive? why bother bidding? is it just to keep the market high or are their planning to sell them when the demand is better?
Let's not forget morineko's "joke" bidding on that slaughter piece that made super and other's go into a full discussion about it, it just makes me think some rich players just bid for the fun of it

Suppose I paid Tenboro 20 million US dollars, and I just kept buying everything from all the auctions and shops, and then salvaging it. Wouldn't that ruin the game?

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20 million US dollars
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for that much money 10B will sell you the whole HV game.
and make a much better new HV game for all users.
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This post has been edited by ALL_MIGHT: Nov 2 2017, 10:04

Also, there is plenty of rule breaking that can be done that the forum moderators cannot detect. Botting, making new accounts, etc. For example I could be a level 500 baron, and I make new accounts (or simply have allies) and give them tons of money. (Maybe that is how these guys get their money? No way for us to tell, and would be difficult for even moderators to track down).

Now we can raise up an army of overpowered low level chinese players who have millions of credits, under the leadership of the chinese master (who is it? no idea). In turn, these chinese players would all become masters and continue to raise up future generations by giving them lots of money and powering them up...

I don't really have any desire to cheat and this game is not so important to me, but we could all be fighting against cheaters for all we know...and foreign language groups on entirely separate forums make it all the easier to avoid detection by moderators on this forum.

Recently we were told not to do Son of Blackjac. That's fine, but for all we know there already is korean Son of Blackjac somewhere in this game, hiding...

Please do not accuse other players of cheating. If you have solid evidence, for instance a discussion on another forum, it is best to send a PM to the moderation team so they can look into that.

There is no monopoly to cheating. Please don't talk about an entire group of non-English speakers as cheaters. It has happened with players from all over the world. And they will be banned eventually, have some faith in the system.

I will delete any posts that go over the line.

Dudes & dudettes, just a reminder, don't entertain the train of thought that will make you embarrassed in the future.

Wise words, thanks for reminding us.

It doesn't really matter what nationality they are (aside from the fact that they may be speaking in their native language in some secret gatherings somewhere, which is not inherently a problem).

I can have "secret meetings" with people in English using Discord, Skype, AOL Instant Messenger, my own IRC channel instead of the official one, the Starbucks down the street, and so on.

Speaking another language or living in another country is entirely besides the point here. It has nothing to do with the topic, and is just "othering." It is finding some reason to group "those people winning the auction I am interested in" as something identifiably different than the self for no reason.

As you said, it isn't inherently a problem. Bringing it up is.

But their actions of paying large amounts of real life cash (current theory here) and grouping together into alliances, when considered together...there may be a problem with this. I am not sure. But in any game where real life cash starts being converted into assets, I get suspicious. That's one reason I haven't paid any real life cash into this game myself, even though I probably could if I wanted to.

It (may) violate certain moral principles I have, especially when taken to extremes, and used to bully others.

Suppose I paid Tenboro 20 million US dollars, and I just kept buying everything from all the auctions and shops, and then salvaging it. Wouldn't that ruin the game?

What people do with their real life cash, how they spend it, and what they do with other people before or after spending it is their concern.

I could get ten friends together, and we all chip in $20 to the "buy Cryosite cool stuff in Hentaiverse" fund. If I convince those friends to do it, what rules have I broken in HV? None. Why is it a concern for you if someone else has done so? It is their money to spend as they please. Frankly, you should be interested in how they convinced their friends so you can convince yours maybe?

Also, there is plenty of rule breaking that can be done that the forum moderators cannot detect. Botting, making new accounts, etc. For example I could be a level 500 baron, and I make new accounts (or simply have allies) and give them tons of money. (Maybe that is how these guys get their money? No way for us to tell, and would be difficult for even moderators to track down).

Now we can raise up an army of overpowered low level chinese players who have millions of credits, under the leadership of the master (who is it? no idea). In turn, these players would all become masters and continue to raise up future generations by giving them lots of money and powering them up...

I don't really have any desire to cheat and this game is not so important to me, but we could all be fighting against cheaters for all we know...and foreign language groups on entirely separate forums make it all the easier to avoid detection by moderators on this forum.

Recently we were told not to do Son of Blackjac. That's fine, but for all we know there already is Son of Blackjac somewhere in this game, hiding...

I'll just go ahead and consider the first paragraph wrong. The mods have access to more information than we do. If not the forum mods, then higher up in the chain. It is up to the game's staff to investigate wrongdoing.

If you see something suspicious, bring it to their attention as DJNoni suggested. Let them look into it. Discussing/ranting it among ourselves as players is not only not productive, it is counter-productive. You might tip them off that their suspicious behavior is being noticed. It's not like people from non-English speaking countries don't learn English and lurk.

As far as your "masters" scenario... uh... you sort of have it backwards. Your version makes not a lick of sense. A "farming bot" grinds out game currency and pools that currency to a "face" account, which trades that currency and seeks to create cash for the farmer. One person controls multiple accounts to gain an unfair advantage over player only running one account.

Several real people pooling their money, spending it on the game, and working to help each other out is not really nefarious. That's just friends playing together and cooperating.

Leave it to the staff to figure out if players are doing the former, and report if you notice stuff they might not have noticed. Conspiracy theorizing is just making you look a bit crazy and resentful.

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Nov 2 2017, 10:52

I just looked up to the stats and...lol
My price check for those would be 500k and 1.5m...(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Guess how much I paid for my current rapier

Guess how much I paid for my current rapier

I already told you that you got robbed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Guess how much I paid for my current rapier

Over 10M?

I sold my 50.8WD ethereal rapier 2 years ago at 10M