[X] My Assistant

Clock is ticking
Girl is licking
Ice cream melts
Whole place makes
Dirty with white stains

im poor

Ticking or not, reasons have been proposed about why this thread should be (eventually) moved but not closed.

Some reasons where more "logical", and some more psychological (but I believe these latter should not be readily dismissed, too).

Given that, allow me to write this (last? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif))post to say to everyone about my experience here (which is about the "psychological" reasons, that counts imho because logic has to do about reasoning how to do something in the best way possible, while psychology has to do with deciding what you want to do in the first place, so it comes before and above it.

In the few weeks I've been in HV, I saw this thread sometimes deserted for 2/3 days without a post, sometimes with 6 or 7 posts in one day (enough to be read quickly, not enough to annoy if they where uninformative/useless and/or boring).

But always in a relaxed mood, and all this even the breaks was part of its fascination to me.

A lot of users and postings are not a measure of useful or good threads, nor few users/posts are a measure of bad threads. Given a thread purpose (and I believe the current thread title expresses well its purpose), the fulfilling of that purpose should be the main criterion.

Now the title is "Poor Players Club", which means this is intended to be a Club, like those places where in 18th century England gentlemen could go (or not go) whenever they wanted, just to relax in a quiet atmosphere outside home, and occasionally engage in discussions, projects, betting etc. (The famous novel "Around the world in 80 days" started with the scene in a London club, where a betting was done).

AFAIK, this is the only thread here who calls itself a club and the content of posts is indeed what you could find in discussions between club members (except the Camarilla or Godstar clubs, maybe - but poor players cannot go there. While here, we are democratic, so rich players can come IF they are willing to make donations like the subtitle says (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )

Asking for and making donations however should NOT be one of the stated purposes, but should stem naturally from members' discussions once i a while, when they feel like it, just like could happen in a real club; if it becomes a rule, it would imperil the atmosphere of relaxation of a club with something like a pressure to comply, imho.

Finally, excuse me for the nr;tl post, but let me add that if something like a votation could be done, my vote I here declare is and will be :

1) Keep the thread open AS A CLUB (no excessive pressure on explicit list of purposes)

2) Move it to an appropriate place (given the rules of HV Chat zone, which seem to prevent it from being kept here.

Thank you to all that share (at least partly) my view on this, hope we can meet again for otious talks and occasional other voluntary activities (NOT purposes) in a good club in the future (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

^^
Yeah, I think we've put in some decent effort so far.

Anyway, if worse comes to worst, I would like it to be moved to General Chat instead of being locked.

Clock is ticking
Girl is licking
Ice cream melts
Whole place makes
Dirty with white stains

Oh that started off so well then it stopped rhyming.

sunday afternoon. time to read conclusions.


guys, i didn't want to influence you so much (i'm the brute bear who's trying to vandalize the poor players alliance afterall), but at the same time i was also trying to remember you that you had a deadline (clock is ticking).

let's review what i saw until now: a plenty of users asking for this thread to be kept here. those weren't the conditions. the conditions (which LOL tried to bargain, with a certain success) were: find a purpose to this thread, keep it and stop posting random crying emoticons. i didn't even put conditions about such purpose (apart for the fact it could have not been a double of already existing topics and that it could have not been hardcore porn).

now, the only case in which i saw some propositions were - again - from LOL. and a couple of feeble tries to debate them.

or in other terms, users claiming this thread HAS to be kept open. why? because it has been until now. that's not a reason.

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 3 2017, 14:50

sunday afternoon. time to read conclusions.

now, the only case in which i saw some propositions were - again - from LOL. and a couple of feeble tries to debate them.

or in other terms, users claiming this thread HAS to be kept open. why? because it has been until now. that's not a reason.

Sorry to disagree, but I believe I have provided a reason good enough, in my post above (here).

Apparently, you think not. (And that others' reasons are equally worthless).

That must mean that we cannot agree on what is a reason (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Perhaps we should open a philosophycal thread, dedicated to establishing what constitutes a reason and why ?
Only problem I see, you would have to bring reasons on why your argument about what constitutes/not constitutes a reason is reasonable, generating a never-ending loop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Sometimes decisions are best taken with sentiments then reasons (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

this thread generates less useless spam than the legendary equipment thread, and that one is still useful

@Scremaz:

Well...I'd say technically the conditions were met.
It wasn't mentioned that there must be a lively debate or feature diverse contributors.

you guys want to debate, uh? fine, let's debate on something useful for the community then: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=207789


but no more crying emoji bumps.

you guys want to debate, uh? fine, let's debate on something useful for the community then: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=207789
but no more crying emoji bumps.

or in other terms, users claiming this thread HAS to be kept open. why? because it has been until now. that's not a reason.

Are you trolling; or being an arrogant fuckwit? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

It's not because "it has been until now", it's because "it builds community", and "we like it", and "there is no reason to get rid of it"
Building and maintaining the HV community IS a valid reason, and you are destroying it with your authoritarian, power-trippy, over-zealous modding.

All we've asked from you, is to justify WHY this enjoyment should be taken away?
* Is this thread hurting anyone? Nope
* Is this thread annoying anyone besides you? Nope.
* Is this this thread unrelated to HV? Nope.
* Is this thread cluttering up the HV Chat section? With not even 1 full page of threads, I would answer... "Nope." (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

but no more crying emoji bumps.

This is the only reason you have given... because it gets too many (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) bumps... well:
1) The last (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) bump was on page 102, and before that it was page 89. Hardly an emoji-bump epidemic (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
2) This problem can be easily fixed with a "no cry bumping" rule.
Bam. Problem solved. No need to delete/lock/move the thread, and no need to piss off the HV community with your trigger-happy modding.


You have asked us for our reasons to keep the thread, and we have given them.
Now we're asking you for your reasons for nuking the thread... Why won't you answer this? Why won't you hold yourself to the same standards of scrutiny that you hold everyone else to?

(url=archer_meme)Do you want hypocrisy? Because this is how you get hypocrisy.(/url)

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

Are you trolling; or being an arrogant fuckwit? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

No flaming please. We are all friends here, we all mean well. Mods are volunteers. they don't do anything to show off.

Ah, that is probably just his way to say how much he appreciate Scremaz work. Zeo allways use insults as expressions of appreciation. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (J)

Are you trolling; or being an arrogant fuckwit? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Building and maintaining the HV community IS a valid reason, and you are destroying it with your authoritarian, power-trippy, over-zealous modding.

no need to piss off the HV community with your trigger-happy modding.

caution. you *may* want to reconsider your choice of words.
or otherwise calling for my supervisor, because all these things would qualify me as a very bad mod who needs to be immediately removed from his position (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

i have to say it's a bit sad to read such things after i tried to involve the community so much in so many decision though...

* Is this thread cluttering up the HV Chat section? With not even 1 full page of threads, I would answer... "Nope." (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

just for you to know, there's only one page (visible, actually there are 43) because someone deleted all the non-pertinent threads, merged to other bigger ones etc etc until we came to this point. basically, someone is periodically sweeping.

This is the only reason you have given... because it gets too many (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) bumps... well:

heh, alright. let's try this way, even if i really hoped old-time users understood it themselves...

do you remember that period in which you were a newbie yourself, and were wondering how to earn enough credits to be able to purchase the potions needed to end your quest?

and when you came to the forum, saying people burning millions in auctions like there were chips? same here, but now people have started whining because they cannot earn the 0.01% performance boost they hoped. i don't think this is fitting for a "poor players club" and personally, i'd prefer for this subcommunity to be a little more propositive towards newbies, rather than whining because they didn't earn a PHOH, a PDWD or whatever the heck of another acronym it may be...

also, both deleting the thread and moving it to Free Speech Zone were scarecrows to bring people to "redefine the purpose of this thread" (which i said a few times it was my real goal). and as i told him in a pm, LOL5 actually *tried* to come up with a solution. a couple of users even tried to discuss them.
the funny thing is that either one of these suggestions:

- Platform for small to medium scale donation drive especially for people without a shop.
- Sharing and discussing our experience at the auctions.
- Sharing and discussing our experiences with alternate money making schemes.
- Discussion of incidents involving amazing displays of wealth.
- Discussion of incidents involving sorrowful displays of poverty.
- Financial Advice (Ask the Experts can do this but let's say we're a more specialized place to ask)

would've been wonderful improvements, while substantially not even needing to change too much the title of the thread. and i would've accepted either one of them.

Now we're asking you for your reasons for nuking the thread... Why won't you answer this? Why won't you hold yourself to the same standards of scrutiny that you hold everyone else to?

(url=archer_meme)Do you want hypocrisy? Because this is how you get hypocrisy.(/url)

well, as i said i hoped someone more than me remembered where they started from. look at you, for example. going by your regdate, you're one of the persons who have lurked around here the most, you should've been able to read a bit more into the mechanics of this subcommunity you're defending so much from the tyrant...

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 3 2017, 22:22

do you remember that period in which you were a newbie yourself, and were wondering how to earn enough credits to be able to purchase the potions needed to end your quest?

and when you came to the forum, saying people burning millions in auctions like there were chips? same here, but now people have started whining because they cannot earn the 0.01% performance boost they hoped. i don't think this is fitting for a "poor players club" and personally, i'd prefer for this subcommunity to be a little more propositive towards newbies, rather than whining because they didn't earn a PHOH, a PDWD or whatever the heck of another acronym it may be...

So, Let's focus discussion on above problem which is correctly mention by Scremaz.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Couldn't everyone Just agree to define "Poor Players"
If this goes on , nobody would agree and no consensus will reach

@Scremaz
Could you start a poll so that every one can vote on the amount between few options that you like.
(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This way main issue will not get sidelined.
(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by ALL_MIGHT: Sep 3 2017, 22:49

and when you came to the forum, saying people burning millions in auctions like there were chips? same here, but now people have started whining because they cannot earn the 0.01% performance boost they hoped. i don't think this is fitting for a "poor players club" and personally, i'd prefer for this subcommunity to be a little more propositive towards newbies, rather than whining because they didn't earn a PHOH, a PDWD or whatever the heck of another acronym it may be...

also, both deleting the thread and moving it to Free Speech Zone were scarecrows to bring people to "redefine the purpose of this thread" (which i said a few times it was my real goal). and as i told him in a pm, LOL5 actually *tried* to come up with a solution. a couple of users even tried to discuss them.
the funny thing is that either one of these suggestions:

QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Sep 2 2017, 14:30) *

- Platform for small to medium scale donation drive especially for people without a shop.
- Sharing and discussing our experience at the auctions.
- Sharing and discussing our experiences with alternate money making schemes.
- Discussion of incidents involving amazing displays of wealth.
- Discussion of incidents involving sorrowful displays of poverty.
- Financial Advice (Ask the Experts can do this but let's say we're a more specialized place to ask)

would've been wonderful improvements, while substantially not even needing to change too much the title of the thread. and i would've accepted either one of them.
well, as i said i hoped someone more than me remembered where they started from. look at you, for example. going by your regdate, you're one of the persons who have lurked around here the most, you should've been able to read a bit more into the mechanics of this subcommunity you're defending so much from the tyrant...

The problem with Scremaz and what he thinks of the thread , imho, may be that he doesn't know what a club is (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I suggest him to read [en.wikipedia.org] here in Wikipedia what a club is about (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

This post has been edited by mundomuñeca: Sep 3 2017, 22:57

Could you start a poll so that every one can vote on the amount between few options that you like.
(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This way main issue will not get sidelined.
(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

i cannot add polls to the existing thread, if that's what you mean. i already tried to do it when i read LOL5's suggestions. i'm not even sure its possible...

Is the discussion still really going on?

It's pretty obvious that this thread never had a true purpose (apart from people having fun with a common topic), so either it's ok to have another "spam thread" where people have fun or it needs to be closed because 99.99% of the post here could have been posted in one of the other three generic threads (Ask the Experts!, Topic has attachmentsWhat's the last thing you've (not) accomplished? and The Official My Little Ponyverse Chat).

Moreover to choose a hard topic means that this thread will have to be moderated against OT.
Is that even possible?
Good luck for both sides.

(also, imho, the concept of being poor has no real meaning when applied on a game that has natural level/power progression)

I can't believe in what I have read at previous two pages (and my setting is displaying 50 posts per page).

Just to make every single person happy - go create another thread with clear rules and posting requests, like "this is a thread for people who havent much money" and post here hints, advice and tactics how newcomer can receive money and what he should buy with them. There are lots of players who still upgrades their monsters with tokens instead of opening new ones slots. For income purposes (and fore pure sense) it is way better to do latter.
Why not to create a thread where various hints would be concentrated, where people would give money or supply for free, expand idea of freeshop, etc, instead of flaming on each other: "nah, you have closed our spammy thread, how dare are you, we were happy to do nothing here".

I am double its closing, because from last two pages I saw no real reasons to make that thread alive as it is. Sorry, guys.

And it is not about dictatorship or modding rights, but about purpose. The very first post shows no real purposes (and, please, let's no imagine purpose in last moment at thin air or create it out of nowhere - one more time, read the very first post). It is just a whining about how poor we are instead of doing something. We can whining in chat thread instead.

Yeah, looks like the end of the story is this.

Are you OK? Are you OK? Help!... Scremaz, the poor players club isn' breathing man!

I'll dial 911! Oh my God. It's death isn't it? It's f*cking dead... WHY GOD. WHY? TAKE ME!