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post Jul 22 2017, 22:03
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jul 22 2017, 21:55) *

This is where the assumption is wrong.
Past a certain level forging only to 5 is below poor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

*shrugs* i wanted to simplify a bit. then 5 forge levels of your choice.
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post Jul 22 2017, 22:05
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 22 2017, 22:45) *

homework: please calculate the difference in ADB for a 77%, a 90% and a 100% rapier. for three levels of your choice and assuming forge level 5 for each of them. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


B... B... But it's summer and I don't wanna do homework (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

And it's a moot point anyway. Sure, the difference might not be all that big, but try telling that to people who pay tens of millions for near-perfect stats on auctions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jul 22 2017, 22:08
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Forgot to answer to something posted way earlier.

QUOTE(NerfThis @ Jul 2 2017, 15:18) *

after hv 0.85, my PL 11xx monster lab income has decreased a lot. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)


HA! Mines got BUFFED!
That's what you get for not chaosing your monsters properly. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post Jul 22 2017, 22:10
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 22 2017, 22:08) *

HA! Mines got BUFFED!
That's what you get for not chaosing your monsters properly. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Hmmmm...I stopped upgrading scavenging on my monsters after the patch, for the exact opposite reason.
Chaosing does close to nothing now...the gift factor is ridicolously low and similar to the 0 factor even with high scavenging (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Jul 23 2017, 00:11
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Well, chaosing should be done up to 1/5 of the chaos tokens spent in scavenge level if you want to optimize.
I just updated the wiki regarding the gift factor BTW. Tell me if it's good enough or not.

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab#Chaos_Upgrades

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post Jul 23 2017, 00:51
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The only thing I know is that main monster has 300 tokens wasted in her and has only 149% against 100% of unchaosed.
Not even 1.5 times more...for what? 4 less slots for now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Jul 23 2017, 01:08
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jul 23 2017, 00:51) *

The only thing I know is that main monster has 300 tokens wasted in her and has only 149% against 100% of unchaosed.
Not even 1.5 times more...for what? 4 less slots for now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

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post Jul 23 2017, 01:41
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An unchaosed monster just brings you low level mats anyways (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) believe me
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post Jul 23 2017, 02:16
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That's what you get for not loving your monsters and turning them into Scavenging machines.
My fav monster went from 50% double gift chance to 188% gift factor.
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Yeah I know, I chaosed her like hell.

I gotta admit that even when using the optimization method I described, it still takes more tokens to reach the same result. With 54 tokens we can reach this:
Scavenger 6 => 21 tokens => +15%
Every other upgrade 2 => 11*3=33 tokens => +11%
Total: 26%
Still far from the 50% we used to have, and barely any higher than just 55 tokens in Scavenger (25%).

The same applies to reach +100% gift factor. It took 210 tokens before the update (full Scavenging), but now with optimization it takes this to reach 200% gift factor in an optimized way:
Scavenger 20 => 210 tokens => +50%
10 upgrades at level 9 => 10*45=450 tokens => 10*9*0.5= +45%
One upgrade at level 10 => 55 tokens => 10*0.5= +5%
Total: +100%
Tokens: 715 tokens... more than the triple

So overall, everyone who wants to optimize the usage of chaos tokens to max out the gift income is losing. The only people who are getting more gifts than before are those like me who did invest a huge amount of chaos tokens into combat capability.

To get a +50% gift factor out of a monster that had Scavenger 10 (50% double gift), you got to have basically 50 upgrade points anywhere else to compensate. Quite a lot of investment if you ask me. Even more tokens to invest if you get 5 upgrades to lvl10 instead of 6 upgrades to lvl5 plus 5 to level 4.

Overall, that new gift system is an issue and will not solve the army of monsters issue. Even worse, these calculations prove that it actually makes it even worse.

Someone might want to bring this to tenbie's attention. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

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post Jul 23 2017, 02:56
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 22 2017, 21:16) *

"Long text"


In short: Chaos Token was even more valued than before. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I think I'm going to start collecting credits, so I can buy Tokenizer II and III. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

PS: I still think it's more important to open new slots first. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Jul 23 2017, 06:45
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 22 2017, 20:02) *

meanwhile, a 77% ADB arctic rapier bound at lv500 went unsold... same goes for another one bound at lv492. what were you aiming for, exactly?

77% isn't better than my current rapier. The PABs are also worse. I was aiming for the 77% parry.
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post Jul 25 2017, 18:20
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Both my hath and credits finally returned to my pre-binge spending levels. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Jul 25 2017, 20:13
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Poor Player coming through to cry
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post Jul 25 2017, 22:04
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What if person has expensive fetish/hobby irl and spend all money for that. Should we count him as poor? Or maybe rich with pampered spendings?
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post Jul 26 2017, 02:59
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jul 26 2017, 04:04) *

What if person has expensive fetish/hobby irl and spend all money for that. Should we count him as poor? Or maybe rich with pampered spendings?


If his money is insufficient to maintain the lifestyle he wants, then I guess you could say he's poor, in the context of HV and this thread at least. Since the amount of people in HV actually stuck in a poverty trap is almost nonexistant.
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post Jul 26 2017, 03:15
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Jul 22 2017, 17:56) *



PS: I still think it's more important to open new slots first. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


Plus 1... especially post 0.85.
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post Jul 26 2017, 06:55
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How many people actually get creds solely from HV? No H@H, no rent service, no upload, no what-so-ever. Only HV.
And currently have over 100M?

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post Jul 26 2017, 07:22
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QUOTE(as013 @ Jul 26 2017, 06:55) *

How many people actually get creds solely from HV? No H@H, no rent service, no upload, no what-so-ever. Only HV.
And currently have over 100M?


Not sure... most have some sort of secondary income. Maybe the top heavy grinders like sssss2? Maybe someone dropped a Peerless Radiant Phase of Heimdall once? It can happen. But don't hold your breath! Go hunt some bounties, that's what I did.
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post Jul 26 2017, 07:42
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Any 400+ level player has 100+ or 200+ millions. But in case when leveling was mostly because fighting. Player can also get almost 20 levels each year just from daily logins and surely if 300 level got 400+ after 5-6 years then his money is still around 300 level.
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post Jul 26 2017, 07:46
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jul 26 2017, 07:42) *

Any 400+ level player has 100+ or 200+ millions. But in case when leveling was mostly because fighting. Player can also get almost 20 levels each year just from daily logins and surely if 300 level got 400+ after 5-6 years then his money is still around 300 level.



can you give me 99 million credits so that I also have at least 100million as a lvl 400+ player? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
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