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there's a consensus on Balance's viability for Niten compared to having say Nimble or Swiftness.

Well, i would say that depends if you want a bit more defence (parry) or offense (crit chance) tbh when i would start playing niten i would go for a nimble first and maybe later switch to a balance after i did forge my armor set.

Well, i would say that depends if you want a bit more defence (parry) or offense (crit chance) tbh when i would start playing niten i would go for a nimble first and maybe later switch to a balance after i did forge my armor set.

This.
Balance is the best choice for Niten, as it provides offensive bonuses (crit, accuracy, etc), also note that offhand doesn't get 50% parry boost like in DW.
But yeah Nimble is a good midground when your armors aren't forged enough yet.

also note that offhand doesn't get 50% parry boost like in DW.

It doesnt? Oh, i didnt knew that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

It doesnt? Oh, i didnt knew that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Yup, niten is a hybrid style between 2h and DW, so it gets some stuff from both, and misses some stuff from both.

Thanks for clarifying Juggernaut Santa!

Dead-ed mind to tell us what style you are using? I am just a bit confused because most of the stuff does look like you are playing DW, but piercing mitigation of 51.7% tell me sure as sure you dont use shade armor. So... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Dead-ed mind to tell us what style you are using? I am just a bit confused because most of the stuff does look like you are playing DW, but piercing mitigation of 51.7% tell me sure as sure you dont use shade armor. So... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

That's definitely heavy DW

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That's definitely heavy DW

Fully feathered, judging by the evade.

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It should be more viable than heavy 2H honestly - DW can get some pretty crazy parry numbers (theoretically, with a peerless rapier and a peerless nimble waki)

Hm, but isnt the lack of evade a problem? I mean from the mana cost modifier i would assume the whole set is feather weight allready and 26.2% evade isnt really something i would like to trade for 65~70% block and those 81.9% parry may look impressive, but i myself have allready 71.8%. Hm, somehow i not really convinced. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

But now that i notice it, 27% attack speed? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) I didnt knew you could reach such numbers with a heavy armor.

Well, maybe i will try this myself someday. Even when the IW on my rapier isnt perfect for playing DW, it should be good enough to give it a try, now i only need a good of nimble weapon. Well, i am not in a hurry, at least i got another thing for the list. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Yep. With slaughter rapier (unforged) & slaughter wakizashi. It could reach 32% speed with max ss on the rapier.
I like frenzied blow very much. It used to require 3 clicks & 200 oc, now it's one of the most economic skill.
Not a serious build though, i only use it once a while since it hurts my pride.
我が刀は我が命で御座る。

Well, maybe not the most effective build, but sure as sure an interesting one. Knowing that the parry could actually be a lot higher even more interesting. Btw, what about the forging of the armor?

Lv 25 with low damage forge. Everything is in my sig.

I see. Hm, now that i think about it, this and 2H heavy are allready two build Mithril could actual be an advantage instead of a burden. Thanks for sharing this build Dead-ed. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Wow does a high grade Waki of Swiftness really suck that bad for Niten? My assumption was that Niten revolves around building OC to Skyward and thus quicker attacks would be essential as you ultimately don't have much of a defense mechanism. I suppose (lacking an anything of Switfness) I overlooked that attack speed isn't something that can be improved by forging? Obviously a huge limiting factor. I guess I also overlooked that attack speed doesn't grow with level and thus falls off overtime?

Am I on the right track about why I'm wrong at least? Or is there another aspect I'm overlooking about the nature of attack speed?

Uh, anyway, I'm fairly sure I have kinda crap gear, but when I Rend > Shatter with my barely forged pre-v.82 Mag Mace, it nearly erases the affected PFUDOR mobs. I'd have to assume that Niten would vastly outpace my damage, so it's a bit disappointing to hear that a Skyward from what looks like significantly better comparable gear to mine doesn't erase PFUDOR mobs.

I tried playing Niten for a bit when I returned to playing the game, but quickly realized that I simply didn't the the armor quality to make it possible. My assumption though was that the damage output from Niten would be significantly better than from 2H Mace and I'd still assume against School Girls it is but I'm currently left with the impression that against non-Grindfest or perhaps IW LV80+ mobs, it's not significantly different?

That can't be correct though, can it? Niten has to massively out DPS 2H Mace right?

It's high cost what makes it awkward in the long run. At best it's 110 oc for killing 5 monsters in 5 turns. Compared to other skills, 85 oc instant 5 kills for frenzied blow or 50 oc for... something else. Though i dare to say it was the best before skill unbinding patch.

I hereby call it 'Awkward Squidward Sword with Ugly-Ass Longsword for the Icon'.

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I played that for 297 levels. I don't advice anyone using it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)