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Mag Ethereal Niten (Balance Waki)

Decentish I think. I enjoy this playstyle the most because of the greater PAB's gained as well as both proc's in Domino and offhand strikes. (Spreading damage is fun!) I had the Agility a bit higher pre-Gold Star so I'd take advantage of the max attack speed bonus I'd get. Intelligence is accidentally too high because I used to dump random amount of exp there but each chance I get to take away 1 point I subtract from there. I recall there's no parry bonus so I suspect Nimble Wakizashi isn't as useful compared to Balance.

When I battle, overall I'm not sure if it's more efficient to Spirit Stance on the 4/5 monster rounds when max charge or do more skyward swords. On the later rounds I skyward sword 5 monsters, then rebuild charge clearing out the rest of the monsters. When I'm at 8 1/2 to 9 charge I OFC so I can hopefully OHKO an entire round to proceed faster. (Playing on Hell difficulty for a couple days now to get a better feel before I switch back to IWBTH/PFUDOR)

This post has been edited by Kpop of Orz: Jul 6 2019, 07:30

Mag Ethereal Niten (Balance Waki)

Decentish I think. I enjoy this playstyle the most because of the greater PAB's gained as well as both proc's in Domino and offhand strikes. (Spreading damage is fun!) I had the Agility a bit higher pre-Gold Star so I'd take advantage of the max attack speed bonus I'd get. Intelligence is accidentally too high because I used to dump random amount of exp there but each chance I get to take away 1 point I subtract from there. I recall there's no parry bonus so I suspect Nimble Wakizashi isn't as useful compared to Balance.

When I battle, overall I'm not sure if it's more efficient to Spirit Stance on the 4/5 monster rounds when max charge or do more skyward swords. On the later rounds I skyward sword 5 monsters, then rebuild charge clearing out the rest of the monsters. When I'm at 8 1/2 to 9 charge I OFC so I can hopefully OHKO an entire round to proceed faster. (Playing on Hell difficulty for a couple days now to get a better feel before I switch back to IWBTH/PFUDOR)

I'd think late game optimal is an E.Katana of Slaughter with an E,Waki of Swiftness IWed with B5/O4 and O5/S4 respectively... at least, assuming it stacks the way I think it does, which it totally might not. That said, I'd assume Balance is the 2nd best option.

As for the best way to blow overcharge, at least from my experience with Two-Hand, I'd say it's highly variable. Presuming that Skyward OHKOs PFUDOR mobs, it's probably going to be less efficient than Spirit Stance but at the same time that'd mean it's faster, so perhaps it's worth it. If Skyward doesn't OHKO, then it's probably more efficient due to the increased sustainability. OTOH, that metric kind of depends on how much OC you average per hit. And then dealing with School Girls is probably Start Stance > Final Bleed Tic > New Round > Skyward > Attack 3-7x > End Stance > Build to 250%, repeat.

Ultimately, I think the damage increase from 3 Stacks of Penetrated Armor is going to be higher than the damage increase from being in Spirit Stance. I don't have the math to prove it, but from empirical evidence, basic attacks against a 3xPAed mob do about the same as Crits against the same mob from Spirit Stance.

A waki of swiftness? I would go for a waki of nimble or balance anytime before i would use one of swiftness.

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Yeah...no. Though you have a couple things right here I believe you really need to play Niten in order to grasp a good opinion as a whole for example Waki of Swiftness doesn't add much to you once you're already above 25% attack speed or so and it's not even close with Skyward Sword OHKO'ing things on PFUDOR. Thanks for responding anyway...

Definitely have to side with Uncle Stu here.

If you skim around in threads, there's a consensus on Balance's viability for Niten compared to having say Nimble or Swiftness.

there's a consensus on Balance's viability for Niten compared to having say Nimble or Swiftness.

Well, i would say that depends if you want a bit more defence (parry) or offense (crit chance) tbh when i would start playing niten i would go for a nimble first and maybe later switch to a balance after i did forge my armor set.

Well, i would say that depends if you want a bit more defence (parry) or offense (crit chance) tbh when i would start playing niten i would go for a nimble first and maybe later switch to a balance after i did forge my armor set.

This.
Balance is the best choice for Niten, as it provides offensive bonuses (crit, accuracy, etc), also note that offhand doesn't get 50% parry boost like in DW.
But yeah Nimble is a good midground when your armors aren't forged enough yet.

also note that offhand doesn't get 50% parry boost like in DW.

It doesnt? Oh, i didnt knew that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

It doesnt? Oh, i didnt knew that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Yup, niten is a hybrid style between 2h and DW, so it gets some stuff from both, and misses some stuff from both.

Thanks for clarifying Juggernaut Santa!

Dead-ed mind to tell us what style you are using? I am just a bit confused because most of the stuff does look like you are playing DW, but piercing mitigation of 51.7% tell me sure as sure you dont use shade armor. So... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Dead-ed mind to tell us what style you are using? I am just a bit confused because most of the stuff does look like you are playing DW, but piercing mitigation of 51.7% tell me sure as sure you dont use shade armor. So... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

That's definitely heavy DW

That is a thing? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

That's definitely heavy DW

Fully feathered, judging by the evade.

That is a thing? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

It should be more viable than heavy 2H honestly - DW can get some pretty crazy parry numbers (theoretically, with a peerless rapier and a peerless nimble waki)

Hm, but isnt the lack of evade a problem? I mean from the mana cost modifier i would assume the whole set is feather weight allready and 26.2% evade isnt really something i would like to trade for 65~70% block and those 81.9% parry may look impressive, but i myself have allready 71.8%. Hm, somehow i not really convinced. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

But now that i notice it, 27% attack speed? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) I didnt knew you could reach such numbers with a heavy armor.

Well, maybe i will try this myself someday. Even when the IW on my rapier isnt perfect for playing DW, it should be good enough to give it a try, now i only need a good of nimble weapon. Well, i am not in a hurry, at least i got another thing for the list. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Yep. With slaughter rapier (unforged) & slaughter wakizashi. It could reach 32% speed with max ss on the rapier.
I like frenzied blow very much. It used to require 3 clicks & 200 oc, now it's one of the most economic skill.
Not a serious build though, i only use it once a while since it hurts my pride.
我が刀は我が命で御座る。

Well, maybe not the most effective build, but sure as sure an interesting one. Knowing that the parry could actually be a lot higher even more interesting. Btw, what about the forging of the armor?

Lv 25 with low damage forge. Everything is in my sig.

I see. Hm, now that i think about it, this and 2H heavy are allready two build Mithril could actual be an advantage instead of a burden. Thanks for sharing this build Dead-ed. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)