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...is only a matter of when, but never of if. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Exactly. I once said I would never touch mage and slaughter. Now I have a decent mage build and almost fully forged slaughter.

I would never touch mage and slaughter.

And i say, i will never have a mage build before i made a full PFUDORFest without SoL. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

And i say, i will never have a mage build before i made a full PFUDORFest without SoL. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

I would say that's impossible

I would say that's impossible

I have allready reached round +700 and i still have a few things i can improve about my set. So i wouldnt say that now. I have high hopes. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

I try to change from agile fighter to a magician but I cant accomplish since its hard to build a decent magician gear

I try to change from agile fighter to a magician but I cant accomplish since its hard to build a decent magician gear

you need lots of credits, that's all. But as you joined 12 yrs ago, maybe you have some very valuable obsolete equips that you could sell in auction?

To reject the statement that wind/elec are stronger than dark, I did some calculations regarding the EDB difference from gears. Turn out dark imp has more EDB than elementals does.

At both 100% edb roll, fully forged, a dark willow has approximately 37.8 more Edb than a shocking/temp willow does.
As for cloth, we assume a dark mage uses a cotton robe(cap is ideal if one has enough prof. Gloves is theoretically possible, but too hard to achieve), while elementals use cotton shoes.

If dark uses a cotton robe:
1.2-0.8=0.4.
0.4*fully forged, fully rolled cap(1.0)=approximately 26.9.

If dark uses a cotton cap:
1.0-0.8=0.2
0.2*cap=approximately 13.4


Conclusion: Dark has more damage than elementals do

37.8-26.9=10.9,
or 37.8-13.4=24.4

without considering the effect from profs,
(I mean mitigation reduction and counter-resist. I suppose dark has more counter-resist while elementals would have more mitigation due to the fact they can easily reach beyond 0.68. They get more mitigations when beyond 0.68 prof factor. Just a guess, no calculations)

Dark has more damage. If both enough survival, dark mages should be faster than elementalists.

I'm not good at data collection and math. I ppl missed something important. But this should give me confidence to continue my dark flame master path


This post has been edited by -vincento-: Jul 12 2018, 09:52

(I mean mitigation reduction and counter-resist. I suppose dark has more counter-resist while elementals would have more mitigation due to the fact they can easily reach beyond 0.68. They get more mitigations when beyond 0.68 prof factor. Just a guess, no calculations)

Dark with 0.8 prof factor (more or less dark with robe to reach 0.8 needs similar base prof than willow elemental with shoes) has 6 additional CR compared to 0.68 elemental.
This means around 1.8% more damage.
On the other hand 0.68 elemental has 68 mitigation while dark with 0.8 doesn't even reach 61 (7% less mitigation reduction).
To nearly reach 68 dark needs 0.9 prof factor, which either needs ridiculous base prof or 2 clothes.
Since monster dark mitigation is, on average, lower than elemental the sweet spot is probably lower than 68 so robe it's still probably the best cloth setup if you want to go the imperil way.

Dark also has ripened soul, which further increases the damage dealt (never really calculated the impact, would be really curious to see tests on it).

Dark with 0.8 prof factor (more or less dark with robe to reach 0.8 needs similar base prof than willow elemental with shoes) has 6 additional CR compared to 0.68 elemental.
This means around 1.8% more damage.
On the other hand 0.68 elemental has 68 mitigation while dark with 0.8 doesn't even reach 61 (7% less mitigation reduction).
To nearly reach 68 dark needs 0.9 prof factor, which either needs ridiculous base prof or 2 clothes.
Since monster dark mitigation is, on average, lower than elemental the sweet spot is probably lower than 68 so robe it's still probably the best cloth setup if you want to go the imperil way.

Dark also has ripened soul, which further increases the damage dealt (never really calculated the impact, would be really curious to see tests on it).

Very useful, and accurate information (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Thanks. I was planning to go cotton robe already, but it seems I don't have the budget to outbid Kadokura in this week's auction. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
10m, already the highest historical bid on dark robe so far.

Very useful, and accurate information (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Thanks. I was planning to go cotton robe already, but it seems I don't have the budget to outbid Kadokura in this week's auction. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
10m, already the highest historical bid on dark robe so far.

Still cheap. 15m+ I would value it. But I stick with my peerless not-charged

Still cheap. 15m+ I would value it. But I stick with my peerless not-charged

You should go take a look at some historical bids for comparison. There was never any dark robe that was over 10m. Even better ones were only 6m and 7m. And yeah, I'm poor.

You should go take a look at some historical bids for comparison. There was never any dark robe that was over 10m. Even better ones were only 6m and 7m. And yeah, I'm poor.

yes, but in the old meta without 550+ base proficiency players (like me), a robe would have sucked. Now, my peerless will give me 0.93 prof factor at 600 base proficiency - which would get close to non-imperil play with 4 phases!

You guys are forgetting that Imperil adds -40% elemental mitigation, whil it is only -25% for Dark.

*deep sigh* Dark Imperil *even deeper sigh* -25% Dark Mitigation

You guys are forgetting that Imperil adds -40% elemental mitigation, whil it is only -25% for Dark.

We accounted for that, otherwise Dark would be stupidly stronger (better EDB, less mitigations and ripened soul).
0.8 dark vs 0.68 elemental loses a bit more than 7 mitigation, which should make both styles nearly equally effective, with elemental being safer (less cast time) and cheaper (cheaper equipments, less mana cost).

"Bump"



Almost forgot to post lv 470, tomorrow I'll level up (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Still quite a distance to go.

It's time to show off my stat after the forging spree

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When i see you two i think i should really care a bit more about Jugg 5. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

LFRD vs LFOF

Legendary Fiery Redwood Staff of Destruction
Legendary Fiery Oak Staff of Focus

Legendary Charged Phase Cap of Surtr (not forged)
Legendary Charged Phase Robe of Surtr (not forged)
Legendary Radiant Phase Gloves of Surtr (not forged)
Legendary Charged Cotton Pants of the Elementalist
Legendary Charged Phase Shoes of Surtr (not forged)

LFRD

CODE

4456 magic base damage
100 % mana cost modifier
29.8 % cast speed bonus

23064 health points
4843 magic points
+72 magic regen per tick
1804 spirit points
+11 spirit regen per tick

295.2% fire spell damage bonus

LFOF

CODE

3772 magic base damage
71.9 % mana cost modifier
31.3 % cast speed bonus

23064 health points
4882 magic points
+73 magic regen per tick
1800 spirit points
+11 spirit regen per tick

286.9% fire spell damage bonus

Both tried PFFest 631 Rounds with Aether Shard + Featherweight Shard on Saturday. Highlight:

LFRD: 5,908 turns
Used: MP Potion: 108 / Scroll of Life: 29
Spell: Arcane Focus: 10 / Cure: 792 / Fiery Blast: 595 / Flames of Loki: 654 / Full-Cure: 126 / Imperil: 2576 / Inferno: 641 / Regen : 11

LFOF: 5,947 turns
Used: MP Potion: 61 / Scroll of Life: 17
Spell: Arcane Focus: 7 / Cure: 793 / Fiery Blast: 696 / Flames of Loki: 708 / Full-Cure: 110 / Imperil: 2486 / Inferno: 704 / Regen : 9

Oak staff of focus doesn't sound that bad, at least less items were consumed.
Will start improving my Surtr gear and see how it goes at deep fest.


Bonus (reference): LHOF
Legendary Hallowed Oak Staff of Focus
Legendary Charged Phase Cap of Heimdall
Legendary Charged Cotton Robe of the Heaven-sent
Legendary Frugal Phase Gloves of Heimdall
Legendary Charged Phase Pants of Heimdall
Legendary Charged Phase Shoes of Heimdall

0.8 prof factor imperil style

CODE

3632 magic base damage
68 % mana cost modifier
31.4 % cast speed bonus

23064 health points
5259 magic points
+77 magic regen per tick
1878 spirit points
+11 spirit regen per tick

348.0% holy spell damage bonus

PFFest 648 Rounds with Aether Shard + Featherweight Shard on Saturday:

5,756 turns
Used: MP Potion: 64 / Scroll of Life: 20
Spell: Arcane Focus: 4 / Banishment: 668 / Cure: 740 / Full-Cure: 96 / Imperil: 2585 / Paradise Lost: 669 / Regen : 10 / Smite: 593


EDIT: Infusions were used for LFRD & LFOF, NO infusions were used for LHOF.

EDIT 2: Forgot to mention that the results were accomplished with DD4.

This post has been edited by Lostwizard: Nov 6 2018, 17:02