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I got motivated after seeing someone never use 1H. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I use one hand all the time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Ohhh... wait... You mean the game. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I use one hand all the time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Ohhh... wait... You mean the game. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I use someone hand all the time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I use someone hand all the time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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Have you ever use Niten Style ?
Prof 2H and DW quite high.

If yes which ones do greater dmg to mob?

I will use Niten for future sytle combined with weaken (for safety reason)
I survived up to 6 mob with IWTBH and 5 with PFUDOR, with
Legendary weapon
Mag helmet
Exq breatsplate
Mag leggings
Exq boots (shade arcanist)

I don't think I can survived if mob more than that. (maybe I can survived, but cost a lot of comsumable items. I can't get a profit doing that). Right now I use hell difficulty which cost only 10+ mana darught and 5+ health draught in "End of Days" arena. My final build should be "Electric Vampire":
Legendary Shocking Katana of The Vampire
Legendary Shocking Wakizashi of The Vampire
Rest Reinforced or Deflection full prefixs.
Just to look cool. (Not strong but cool) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Have you ever use Niten Style ?
Prof 2H and DW quite high.

If yes which ones do greater dmg to mob?

I will use Niten for future sytle combined with weaken (for safety reason)
I survived up to 6 mob with IWTBH and 5 with PFUDOR, with
Legendary weapon
Mag helmet
Exq breatsplate
Mag leggings
Exq boots (shade arcanist)

I don't think I can survived if mob more than that. (maybe I can survived, but cost a lot of comsumable items. I can't get a profit doing that). Right now I use hell difficulty which cost only 10+ mana darught and 5+ health draught in "End of Days" arena. My final build should be "Electric Vampire":
Legendary Shocking Katana of The Vampire
Legendary Shocking Wakizashi of The Vampire
Rest Reinforced or Deflection full prefixs.
Just to look cool. (Not strong but cool) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Personally, I've never tried Niten. But now my interest is peaked.

Any other Niten players? Would an Arcanist set be good for Niten?

Personally, I've never tried Niten. But now my interest is peaked.

Any other Niten players? Would an Arcanist set be good for Niten?

My experience with arcanist was bad. Failed to evade 1 vs 3 mob crit piercing dmg = instant dead (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
So I switch to non shade for tanking reason, better defense so I can still use cure. But maybe with arcanist mobs less evading from magic.

This post has been edited by Chronos0510: Aug 10 2017, 07:46

Personally, I've never tried Niten. But now my interest is peaked.

Any other Niten players? Would an Arcanist set be good for Niten?

Why did you choose arcanist for DW?

Personally, I've never tried Niten. But now my interest is peaked.

Any other Niten players? Would an Arcanist set be good for Niten?

Just play Niten like you play regular DW. The End.

Personally, I've never tried Niten. But now my interest is peaked.

Any other Niten players? Would an Arcanist set be good for Niten?

Well...

Just play Niten like you play regular DW. The End.

That.


Arcanist is not really optimal for anything.
If you wanna play it 2H mace, you rely a lot on deprecating spells so it's kinda helpful, but outside that i can only think of it's use as swag points, like you youngsters call it.
Even the "more spirit" or any other excuses are of no TRUE advantage as Efestus has proven in the past.

Niten has damage and AOE plus the survivability is not half bad, but the lack of penetration makes it lose a lot of potential in anything above hell difficulty.

Skyward Sword is actually VERY powerful.
I seriously believe that if hatboy would increase the niten&skyward aoe from 5 to 6 targets, then the style would instantly become as viable as the mage is.

Regardless the style's power IS the same as the DW one. Critical hits.
Plus the bleeding effect is not to be taken lightly.

So an optimal niten build is either a heavy armor power set of full slaughter to get power with power and play... low difficulty aoe clears with high survivability and cool damage... or in other words, a poor man's mage, slower but with less or no consumables
or
savage/shadowdancer.

Agile is nice, but cuts your bleeding damage.
You can use if for a dovahkiin build but if you play PF, you see those monsters that take forever to die due to the penetration's lack and it's starting to become anoying.

Well at the end of the day, it's a fun style. A full savage/shadowdancer set can deal massive amounts of damage and has quite lower demands compared to mage, BUT a luck based style is still luck based.
RNG in verse is... not exactly something that we have learned to love. No?

Plus once you have experienced pure mage... there is still no comparison.
But hey. YOU ARE A SAMURAI! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Why did you choose arcanist for DW?

When I first started HV seriously, I chose Arcanist due to the 6 Pabs.

After an extreme amount of experience since choosing Arcanist.....

I've decided I chose Arcanist due to being a complete fudging idiot.

I can say though, that it made transitioning to mage much easier since I had done so much forging on the set.
Actually, transitioning to mage and building the profs was nearly effortless using the Arcanist set.
(Keeping in mind I never ventured past the Hell level with the set)

So I've just decided I chose Arcanist due to being a complete fudging idiot with accidental benefits.

Well...
That.
Arcanist is not really optimal for anything.
If you wanna play it 2H mace, you rely a lot on deprecating spells so it's kinda helpful, but outside that i can only think of it's use as swag points, like you youngsters call it.
Even the "more spirit" or any other excuses are of no TRUE advantage as Efestus has proven in the past.

Niten has damage and AOE plus the survivability is not half bad, but the lack of penetration makes it lose a lot of potential in anything above hell difficulty.

Skyward Sword is actually VERY powerful.
I seriously believe that if hatboy would increase the niten&skyward aoe from 5 to 6 targets, then the style would instantly become as viable as the mage is.

Regardless the style's power IS the same as the DW one. Critical hits.
Plus the bleeding effect is not to be taken lightly.

So an optimal niten build is either a heavy armor power set of full slaughter to get power with power and play... low difficulty aoe clears with high survivability and cool damage... or in other words, a poor man's mage, slower but with less or no consumables
or
savage/shadowdancer.

Agile is nice, but cuts your bleeding damage.
You can use if for a dovahkiin build but if you play PF, you see those monsters that take forever to die due to the penetration's lack and it's starting to become anoying.

Well at the end of the day, it's a fun style. A full savage/shadowdancer set can deal massive amounts of damage and has quite lower demands compared to mage, BUT a luck based style is still luck based.
RNG in verse is... not exactly something that we have learned to love. No?

Plus once you have experienced pure mage... there is still no comparison.
But hey. YOU ARE A SAMURAI! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

True that. Mage is the way.
I just checked... I have zero shadowdancer. Huh! You'd think by now I'd luck into one or two.
No consequence though.

Skyward Sword is actually VERY powerful.
I seriously believe that if hatboy would increase the niten&skyward aoe from 5 to 6 targets, then the style would instantly become as viable as the mage is.

Regardless the style's power IS the same as the DW one. Critical hits.
Plus the bleeding effect is not to be taken lightly.

So an optimal niten build is either a heavy armor power set of full slaughter to get power with power and play... low difficulty aoe clears with high survivability and cool damage... or in other words, a poor man's mage, slower but with less or no consumables
or
savage/shadowdancer.

Agile is nice, but cuts your bleeding damage.
You can use if for a dovahkiin build but if you play PF, you see those monsters that take forever to die due to the penetration's lack and it's starting to become anoying.

Well at the end of the day, it's a fun style. A full savage/shadowdancer set can deal massive amounts of damage and has quite lower demands compared to mage, BUT a luck based style is still luck based.
RNG in verse is... not exactly something that we have learned to love. No?

Plus once you have experienced pure mage... there is still no comparison.
But hey. YOU ARE A SAMURAI! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

... or a mere gardener.

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] http://i.imgur.com/tWusBKR.png)

+1 for Skyward Sword. I used it quite a lot when I tried Niten SG arenas.
My big issue with it is that its Domino Strike is a lit a bit light in damage to be really useful.

When I first started HV seriously, I chose Arcanist due to the 6 Pabs.

After an extreme amount of experience since choosing Arcanist.....

I've decided I chose Arcanist due to being a complete fudging idiot.

I can say though, that it made transitioning to mage much easier since I had done so much forging on the set.
Actually, transitioning to mage and building the profs was nearly effortless using the Arcanist set.
(Keeping in mind I never ventured past the Hell level with the set)

So I've just decided I chose Arcanist due to being a complete fudging idiot with accidental benefits.

I was 190 when I bought this one and probably did it for the same reason as you (PABs), but also because it's strage to find anything good on that level. Then I wanted some boots with good adb and bought these. After that, regret appeared (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) and started to change to fleet (or at least savage prefix)...

Currently, I'm pretty happy with my Niten set and I don't plan on changing it for anything (I know mages can clear a GF in half an hour, but even so...)

Plus once you have experienced pure mage... there is still no comparison.
But hey. YOU ARE A SAMURAI! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Starting build mage = poor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
Fully build mage = rich (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

To gain staff proc I must doing something funny (beat up mob with the staff).
But spellcaster not casting spell.... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

Well, eventually I will build "The Strong Ones" and "The Fancy Ones" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
It's long time before I become samurai.
I must build my DW too. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

But to think if I soulfused my mag...It's much stronger than my Legendary (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
I need 50k with 9 digits and 500k for soulfused it, 450k for upgrading. Then it's much cheaper than mage stuff (> 1M) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

jantch....I need your help... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

This post has been edited by Chronos0510: Aug 12 2017, 08:03

But to think if I soulfused my mag...It's much stronger than my Legendary (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

It's true that the best Mags have a higher ADB than the worst Legs, but generally the other stats will be crap.
ADB doesn't do absolutely everything[i].

It's true that the best Mags have a higher ADB than the worst Legs, but generally the other stats will be crap.
ADB doesn't do absolutely everything[i].

Because of that I've never wear it until my level high enough. Cost lvl.5 upgrade was 300k each equipment, I must clean up my inventory. Check your PM.

I just confused either to soulfused my level 157 mag (new patch) or my unassigned legendary (old patch). Stronger mob waiting for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

I can not throw my mag away, because it has accompanied me until now.

[s4.postimg.org] My 2H/Light persona

I can't shake off the feeling that I'm doing something horribly wrong. Maybe I should grind some Deprecating proficiency, eh?

I can manage the last 3 arenas on Nintendo (haven't tried higher yet, it takes hours at this difficulty already) and all others at IWBTH or above. I can also clear all Ring of Blood at IWBTH or above.

[s4.postimg.org] My 2H/Light persona

I can't shake off the feeling that I'm doing something horribly wrong. Maybe I should grind some Deprecating proficiency, eh?

I can manage the last 3 arenas on Nintendo (haven't tried higher yet, it takes hours at this difficulty already) and all others at IWBTH or above. I can also clear all Ring of Blood at IWBTH or above.

Shade and a Longsword? (no, it can't be... Maybe an estoc)

Show us your equipment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

This post has been edited by lololo16: Aug 12 2017, 12:45

I can't shake off the feeling that I'm doing something horribly wrong. Maybe I should grind some Deprecating proficiency, eh?

I can manage the last 3 arenas on Nintendo (haven't tried higher yet, it takes hours at this difficulty already) and all others at IWBTH or above. I can also clear all Ring of Blood at IWBTH or above.

Some depr spell usage may let you play at higher difficulties, but the main problem is that 2H is just not that good, in particular at higher difficulties (apart from FRD style).
If you really want to play @PFUDOR all other styles are a lot better.

Shade and a Longsword? (no, it can't be... Maybe an estoc)

Show us your equipment :ph34r:

This is my Exquisite Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter and this is the rest of my [s15.postimg.org] equip. All pieces except for the head are soulbound and enchanted.

I use whatever drop suits me best, I usually prefer Shade armor but not over equipment with better quality/stats. Since I use only supportive spells it's easy to manage my mana even with regular Light pieces.

I would rather use an Estoc or Mace but I simply haven't found any that compares with my current weapon.

Some depr spell usage may let you play at higher difficulties, but the main problem is that 2H is just not that good, in particular at higher difficulties (apart from FRD style).
If you really want to play @PFUDOR all other styles are a lot better.

Could you expand on this "FRD style" please? I'm not accustomed to the acronyms you use around here.

By other styles I assume you mean 1H, DW and Niten. I never tried 1H but DW seems a lot slower than 2H, especially when it comes to AoE damage. To me 2H seems that much more suitable for arenas where each round has several monsters and 90% Domino (and bleeding wounds procced from it) can really shine, plus now we can chain Rending Blow into Shatter strike without using Great Cleave first, which is also a big bonus to AoE damage, but this applies to all other melee styles as well.

As for Niten, I do have a nice Legendary Ethereal Katana and Wakizashi, but I'm kinda put off by the fact that it relies on 2 proficiencies (basically I'd have to play 2H and DW equally to make the best use of it) and has a single Overcharge skill. I've always regarded it as a sort of "flavor" style rather that a legitimate one, but I am aware that it does a lot of damage.

In conclusion, if I were to change my style to suit higher levels of difficulty, would going for Heavy/1H be the best choice, in light of the changes brought by 0.85? I'm not very happy with having to choose a "right" over a "wrong" playstyle, but I guess this is the kind of game we're playing.

This is my Exquisite Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter and this is the rest of my [s15.postimg.org] equip. All pieces except for the head are soulbound and enchanted.

I wouldn't say that you are doing something horribly wrong, your build even kinda makes some sense. It's the same kind of thought process that leads to Shade Niten or Shade Ethereal Katana.

But frankly, and that's my personal style plus experience in Longswords, I don't think that using Light armor is the proper way to play a Longsword. Simply because a Longsword's status is Bleed, and bleeding occurs once per game tick. How so? You have a very high attack speed, which results in monsters bleeding only once every 2 turns of yours (roughly), effectively decreasing your maximum damage output.

I'd highly recommend you to play Heavy Longsword instead, with an absolute 0% attack speed bonus (0% and no haste), just like one plays 1H. Ironically, it'd make you faster. But you should still try to have as little burden as possible to keep your evade, or at least below 70 burden to keep your max crit chance.

Or if you want to keep playing Light, go for an Estoc instead of a Longsword: estocs do benefit from attack speed (PA occurs every time you attack, and lasts longer the faster you are).