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I fully understand that! Thank you!
I don't think I have a buckler.. I don't think I have any shields at all... but I'll get one.

And I don't have 3 phases of elect... or any other element, but I'll struggle until I do. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Thank you!! I'm sending you a gift for the clear answer.
And also because you're a good guy.

I'm glad to be of help. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Thanks for the gift, i appreciate it very much (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
By the way, i forgot to say one simple thing for 1H Mage: the optimal buckler should have DEA (DEX END AGI) as PABs.

That, really. No need to go for exceptional stuff if you're just looking to grind some prof. Back then, I was using Battlecaster Waki + Buckler, both unforged, and dying was literally impossible even at IWBTH. After all, you'll likely have decent Evade, Block, Parry and Resist at the same time, so unlike DW Shade (piercing) or 1H Heavy (Magic) you won't really have any serious weakness with that setup.

I'm glad to be of help. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Thanks for the gift, i appreciate it very much (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
By the way, i forgot to say one simple thing for 1H Mage: the optimal buckler should have DEA (DEX END AGI) as PABs.

Thanks guys.
I just don't have the right equipment yet.

I just tried an RE again, and had to flee. Jeez.
I was thinking a one day set up, but its not going to work out.
I'll need to give it some time and build up enough to survive. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Thanks again!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Unlike the melee style, mage has indeed the problem that prof goes up very slowly while playing it normally.

Really?
When I started mage semi-seriously prof raised pretty fast just doing low-level arenas at increasing difficulty (not from one day to the other, but prof just doesn't work that way, with any style and actually clothes prof lagged behind divine prof so idk).
And I used that experience to understand how to play, so it was not time wasted at all.
Started from hard all the way to PFUDOR.

Honestly using time and credits to build a set just to raise prof seems a waste to me.

Really?
When I started mage semi-seriously prof raised pretty fast just doing low-level arenas at increasing difficulty (not from one day to the other, but prof just doesn't work that way, with any style and actually clothes prof lagged behind divine prof so idk).
And I used that experience to understand how to play, so it was not time wasted at all.
Started from hard all the way to PFUDOR.

Honestly using time and credits to build a set just to raise prof seems a waste to me.

It's not really that expensive to find a waki and a shield good enough to 1h mage, i found my Leg Arctic Waki of the Nimble in the Bazaar and bought a Leg Buckler of the Nimble DEA for like a total of 50k (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
The rest of the build then gets reused for the normal Mage.

It's not really that expensive to find a waki and a shield good enough to 1h mage, i found my Leg Arctic Waki of the Nimble in the Bazaar and bought a Leg Buckler of the Nimble DEA for like a total of 50k (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
The rest of the build then gets reused for the normal Mage.

It's 100k + the time to buy them + time of setting the abilities/equipment for the possibility of using all the mana potions in your inventory in the blink of an eye.
I'm still not impressed when you can just buy good equipments and start at low difficulty with 0 credits and time wasted.
I mean, if someone wants to use 1H mage for PFUDORFest or something like that I would say go ahead with that, but if it's a style that is gonna be discarded in days I really don't see how is that a good idea.

It's 100k + the time to buy them + time of setting the abilities/equipment for the possibility of using all the mana potions in your inventory in the blink of an eye.
I'm still not impressed when you can just buy good equipments and start at low difficulty with 0 credits and time wasted.
I mean, if someone wants to use 1H mage for PFUDORFest or something like that I would say go ahead with that, but if it's a style that is gonna be discarded in days I really don't see how is that a good idea.

Yeah, if you're only going to use it only a pair of days it's a bad idea, if like me you're going to use it more time and use the waki in DW too it's worthwhile.

Really?
When I started mage semi-seriously prof raised pretty fast just doing low-level arenas at increasing difficulty (not from one day to the other, but prof just doesn't work that way, with any style and actually clothes prof lagged behind divine prof so idk).
And I used that experience to understand how to play, so it was not time wasted at all.
Started from hard all the way to PFUDOR.

Honestly using time and credits to build a set just to raise prof seems a waste to me.

To my own surprise it's true.
I don't have the time to play right now, but later today i'll come back with numbers.

Lower levels of proficiency raise quickly enough, but after 200 it slows down and as the prof comes closer to your cap it slows down even more.
I had the doubt about the lower raise of normal mage for a bit, but i actually had the confirmation recently.
Having maxed prof for most of the other styles, it generally takes me one aprox of a 60 rounds arena to max DW or 2H after every level up. As for dark mage i would usually play the SG arenas on hell to max it.

I noticed one thing the other day however. Told myself, "i'll waste some scrolls and extra pots and i'll play a couple of the first page arenas on PF with the dark mage to max it", since i was not in the mood to play any SG arenas. However after playing the 50 and 45 rounds arenas i had hardly gained any prof at all. At the end i did the 50 to 25 arenas (225 rounds in total) and i had gained only 0.4 prof from all that. After that i swap to my 1h/dark mage and did the 55 rounds arena only, and that was enough to finish the proficiency max out, hence the remaining 0.6 (friendly reminder to all the good kids... DON'T PLAY 1H/DARK-HOLY MAGE).

So i tested the prof gain for elemental mage as comparison and it was the same story (will come back with this later today).

It's 100k + the time to buy them + time of setting the abilities/equipment for the possibility of using all the mana potions in your inventory in the blink of an eye.
I'm still not impressed when you can just buy good equipments and start at low difficulty with 0 credits and time wasted.
I mean, if someone wants to use 1H mage for PFUDORFest or something like that I would say go ahead with that, but if it's a style that is gonna be discarded in days I really don't see how is that a good idea.

True. You can play on lower difficulty without any trouble, so it's not needed. But if you are not a patient person and mostly if you want to go straight to PF, then you have to compromise. And a... road shoe, does not strike me as a patient one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
But jokes aside. You can get a vanilla legendary phage for 50k or less easily. You just grab what you can and you can make the clears on PF. Either way you need to start with something. You can just think it as a "aim for the top" right away and in 1-2 months i'll start but stay, or you can start it right away and in 3-4 months you can become a resident of the top.
That's up to everyone. I could personally not handle to keep myself on lower difficulty for everything and wait forever till i could make a strong start, so i put together my good shield, my self-drop battlecaster shortsword, grabbed from right and left vanilla legendary phage pieces and started with PF clears right away. Soon enough i had it fully playable.
But it's also a matter of resources. If you don't have a good income for the game, hence the possibility to immediately aim for all these super expensive equip, catalysts, material, perks etc, then what can you do? Always play on hell difficulty cause you can't handle more and dream of tomorrow? Might as well do it with nyten then. It has a far less cost, no?
Anyway, i don't think that it's that much of a problem. He doesn't have any mage gear yet. To get some good mage gear (final level gear that will stay) he has to drop millions one every single piece and they don't come out every day. Saying, ok i'll put together some exquisites and play on hard till i find something better is not that much better. But then again, that's just me.

Thanks guys.
I just don't have the right equipment yet.

I just tried an RE again, and had to flee. Jeez.
I was thinking a one day set up, but its not going to work out.
I'll need to give it some time and build up enough to survive. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Thanks again!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

A legendary (or magnificent) force shield or buckler of the barrier with a waki/shortsword/rappier of nimble or battlecaster are the only aim. Rolls are not important. Magnificent phage also should do the trick.
During my tests i had a legendary shortsword of the battlecaster as weapon and everything else was magnificent, yet i was making PF IW clears with only few heals.
Anyway, will come back later.

In the meantime... are you a patient person or not?

ditto

A legendary (or magnificent) force shield or buckler of the barrier with a waki/shortsword/rappier of nimble or battlecaster are the only aim. Rolls are not important. Magnificent phage also should do the trick.
During my tests i had a legendary shortsword of the battlecaster as weapon and everything else was magnificent, yet i was making PF IW clears with only few heals.
Anyway, will come back later.

In the meantime... are you a patient person or not?

Depends on how deep that patience goes.
Am I going to stick with something that makes me flee REs in normal? No way.
Especially since I have an expensive melee set that I don't even use draughts or mana for a "PF" RE.
I just plow them down, and my HP regenerates as I check the monster page.

This mage thing came about due to you guys talking about clearing a Hellfest in 4000 turns.
I have the patience to try and achieve that. The goal is there.

So I do have the patience to accumulate a decent 1h mage set to learn how to play.

Since I started basically day one in melee, there's a learning curve I'm going to need to deal with.

I don't even know how to get reloader to cooperate yet as a mage.
It's operating in "Come out swinging" mode, so I don't know how to set up a spell just yet.
I'll need to read up on that too. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Plenty of time though, and a strong DW character build exists to stay on till I get there. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Depends on how deep that patience goes.
Am I going to stick with something that makes me flee REs in normal? No way.
Especially since I have an expensive melee set that I don't even use draughts or mana for a "PF" RE.
I just plow them down, and my HP regenerates as I check the monster page.

This mage thing came about due to you guys talking about clearing a Hellfest in 4000 turns.
I have the patience to try and achieve that. The goal is there.

So I do have the patience to accumulate a decent 1h mage set to learn how to play.

Since I started basically day one in melee, there's a learning curve I'm going to need to deal with.

I don't even know how to get reloader to cooperate yet as a mage.
It's operating in "Come out swinging" mode, so I don't know how to set up a spell just yet.
I'll need to read up on that too. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Plenty of time though, and a strong DW character build exists to stay on till I get there. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

use CC scripts or sapo reloader mod for mage if you want to use reloader , red (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

but CC also can use reloader , but vanilla (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Lower levels of proficiency raise quickly enough, but after 200 it slows down and as the prof comes closer to your cap it slows down even more.
I had the doubt about the lower raise of normal mage for a bit, but i actually had the confirmation recently.
Having maxed prof for most of the other styles, it generally takes me one aprox of a 60 rounds arena to max DW or 2H after every level up. As for dark mage i would usually play the SG arenas on hell to max it.

Well, 2H/DW needs to hit the enemies a lot more to finish the rounds (20+ hits?).
If you're using Imperil for your dark mage you go imperi + T3 + maybe some T2 or T1, with something like <=3 spells per rounds).
With non-imperil style prof raises quite fast.

my 1h/dark mage and did the 55 rounds arena only, and that was enough to finish the proficiency max out, hence the remaining 0.6 (friendly reminder to all the good kids... DON'T PLAY 1H/DARK-HOLY MAGE).

Less than half the firepower => double the spells + spells cost more (more prof gained).
Yeah, I can understand that you gain more prof, but you're also chugging potions like there's no tomorrow (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

[...]Anyway, i don't think that it's that much of a problem. He doesn't have any mage gear yet. To get some good mage gear (final level gear that will stay) he has to drop millions one every single piece and they don't come out every day. Saying, ok i'll put together some exquisites and play on hard till i find something better is not that much better. But then again, that's just me.

I completely agree, but since Road Shoe is not credit starved I was suggesting he build his set first and only then start raising prof.
At least that's what I did, I started preparing the holy mage set at least 3 months before I actually started using it.
One does not simply start maging without preparations (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (imagine it as a Boromir meme image).

@nobody_xxx: My script is not optimized for elemental mage, so CC is better.
I actually have a neat idea about imperil maging, but I just can't get myself to write javascript at home since we have switching to React Framework @work. Fuck writing JS code all day.

Well, 2H/DW needs to hit the enemies a lot more to finish the rounds (20+ hits?).
If you're using Imperil for your dark mage you go imperi + T3 + maybe some T2 or T1, with something like <=3 spells per rounds).
With non-imperil style prof raises quite fast.
Less than half the firepower => double the spells + spells cost more (more prof gained).
Yeah, I can understand that you gain more prof, but you're also chugging potions like there's no tomorrow (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
I completely agree, but since Road Shoe is not credit starved I was suggesting he build his set first and only then start raising prof.
At least that's what I did, I started preparing the holy mage set at least 3 months before I actually started using it.
One does not simply start maging without preparations (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (imagine it as a Boromir meme image).

@nobody_xxx: My script is not optimized for elemental mage, so CC is better.
I actually have a neat idea about imperil maging, but I just can't get myself to write javascript at home since we have switching to React Framework @work. Fuck writing JS code all day.

he can combine it with keybind scripts , sapo (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Well, 2H/DW needs to hit the enemies a lot more to finish the rounds (20+ hits?).
If you're using Imperil for your dark mage you go imperi + T3 + maybe some T2 or T1, with something like <=3 spells per rounds).
With non-imperil style prof raises quite fast.
Less than half the firepower => double the spells + spells cost more (more prof gained).
Yeah, I can understand that you gain more prof, but you're also chugging potions like there's no tomorrow (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
I completely agree, but since Road Shoe is not credit starved I was suggesting he build his set first and only then start raising prof.
At least that's what I did, I started preparing the holy mage set at least 3 months before I actually started using it.
One does not simply start maging without preparations (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (imagine it as a Boromir meme image).

@nobody_xxx: My script is not optimized for elemental mage, so CC is better.
I actually have a neat idea about imperil maging, but I just can't get myself to write javascript at home since we have switching to React Framework @work. Fuck writing JS code all day.

3 months? I could wait that long. Experiment and learn as I go.

3 months? I could wait that long. Experiment and learn as I go.

well , I'm converting myself from 1H to dark mage in 1 week , red (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

he can combine it with keybind scripts , sapo (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I always fear that by combining scripts you end up with something like [xkcd.com] https://xkcd.com/419/

3 months? I could wait that long. Experiment and learn as I go.

I needed the credits.
I started after getting:
500 HGWood (@9k each)
300 HGCloth (@19k each)
Bindings (~15-20M)
Many MG-Cloth/Wood (@Idontremember)
Cap (~2.5M)
Gloves (~7M)
Pants (~5M)
Shoes (~1.5M)
Catalyst (@Idontremember)
Prof perk (1000 haths)
IW (@Super ~10M)

well , I'm converting myself from 1H to dark mage in 1 week , red (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

You are too rich (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I always fear that by combining scripts you end up with something like [xkcd.com] https://xkcd.com/419/
I needed the credits.
I started after getting:
500 HGWood (@9k each)
300 HGCloth (@19k each)
Bindings (~15-20M)
Many MG-Cloth/Wood (@Idontremember)
Cap (~2.5M)
Gloves (~7M)
Pants (~5M)
Shoes (~1.5M)
Catalyst (@Idontremember)
Prof perk (1000 haths)
IW (@Super ~10M)
You are too rich (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

err , actually I'm used keybind plus your reloader before use nerfy CC , sapo (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

nerfy CC have ability to renew not only buff / cure but even scrolls with just hovering our mouse (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)



I'm poor HV player (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Jan 19 2017, 15:55

Depends on how deep that patience goes.
Am I going to stick with something that makes me flee REs in normal? No way.
Especially since I have an expensive melee set that I don't even use draughts or mana for a "PF" RE.
I just plow them down, and my HP regenerates as I check the monster page.

This mage thing came about due to you guys talking about clearing a Hellfest in 4000 turns.
I have the patience to try and achieve that. The goal is there.

The trick to fast runs as mage, aside from buying+forging strong gears and unlocking T3 spells obviously, is using a script for mages like Crackling Cast, Imperil and a high enough ele prof to not get your spells resisted (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) The usual strategy is to kill enemies fast before they have a chance to fight so the standard round goes like: cast Imperil 2 or 3 times to cover all targets then hover over enemies (for CC you can set which spells to use on hover)

If you want, you can skip casting protection/haste/shadow veil and just buy as many scrolls for those as you want for the double effect compared to casting em.

I don't even know how to get reloader to cooperate yet as a mage.
It's operating in "Come out swinging" mode, so I don't know how to set up a spell just yet.
I'll need to read up on that too. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Just get crackling cast 'w')b We'll teach you how to set up the spells and whatnot when you ask

This post has been edited by -Shun-: Jan 19 2017, 15:58

you also need high budget to change into mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

you also need high budget to change into mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Might not be too much of a problem for red (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Unlike me who still needs to pay his debt for 9 more weeks at most (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) Would be nice to get better ping to do more arena runs ( '-')

you also need high budget to change into mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Not that much if you want to do just hell fest or PFUDOR arena.

Ok, here i am. Sorry for the wait. Need to work as well here (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


This is how i start today:


This is PF all the arenas from 25 to 100 (for the total of 820 rounds) with normal wind mage (no aether shards used).


And this is one PF Item World run of 82 rounds with 1h/mage.



Random results of course, for just today, but it's gives the idea. I can not handle PF (or IWBTH) Item World runs with normal mage i fear, so we have to do with this.
Anyway... I see Sapo already explained the whys.

As much as i don't like generally the 1h/mage, i do still consider it the best way to go for proficiency training.

But then again, like the mayor in tales of the abyss said: "old men are impatient, cause they don't have that much time left" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
I'm an old man (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Depends on how deep that patience goes.
Am I going to stick with something that makes me flee REs in normal? No way.
Especially since I have an expensive melee set that I don't even use draughts or mana for a "PF" RE.
I just plow them down, and my HP regenerates as I check the monster page.

This mage thing came about due to you guys talking about clearing a Hellfest in 4000 turns.
I have the patience to try and achieve that. The goal is there.

You sure? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
I find it kinda strange...
Even with in DW i have to heal frequently in any PF-IW run, while with from 1h/mage i rarely ever heal.

But then again swapping styles is always tedious.

As for mage...
For someone like me that occasionally has to deal with heavy lagging (i thank the neighbors), mage is a big deal. If it wasn't for that i would probably remain 1h/heavy - nyten/heavy for ever (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
But maging is tricky!!! You need great equip. Perfect IW results on every piece. Constant use of scrolls. Aether and featherweights on every clear. Great attention on your clears. Big programming on your set, luck and wealth to find them and then you also need to spend a fortune to forge them.
Mage is very rewarding, but it's not simple at all! Playing it is actually a major pain the... there (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

With my horrendous dark mage


That was born cause i dropped this piece, i can not even reach round 500 on a hellfest.
That's because dark/holy mage are tedious styles, that need great attention to your equipment. You can't just drop a set together and play dark mage.
So any PF mage is seriously something that you need a great preparation in order to play.
(But then again it allows me to clear DwD at hell difficulty in 12 minutes. Worth (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )

I completely agree, but since Road Shoe is not credit starved I was suggesting he build his set first and only then start raising prof.

You know what they say about small insignificant details... Well this is a HUGE and SIGNIFICANT detail that i actually missed!!!
And how on earth did i? I know his condition!
Aieeeeeeee... i'm getting worse by the day... Not cool epion. Not cool (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)