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The less evade the better anyway, although the improvement in clear speed cannot be noticeable. You also have the option to increase up until 0.4~0.5 attack speed, because my tested experiments and currently accepted theory says that rounds to 0 in battle (does absolutely nothing).

I used DWD only for test. I use 1 Imperil each turn to get Prof.

In this case my extensive calculation likely does not apply, because I made it based on my regular arena tests. So your result could be anything, but also might not apply to other players if they play/target differently in DwD.

If you cast 2 Imperil per round (at level 500) my action speed theory expects that will erase all your attack speed effect on offense (benefit to defense will remain). If you cast 3 Imperil, it is about the same as 1 Imperil. This is because Imperil cast speed ≈ 0.5 turns.

Below is a table with the data of the sets I own. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

(IMG:[imgur.com] https://imgur.com/QSFP38X.jpg)

DW Power sets are just possibilities. I set up just to see the numbers. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

The equipment links are in my signature.

1H: Rapier Slaughter and Force Shield full forged.

DW: Shortsword Slaughter and Rapier Balance with forge level 50.

Slaughter set full forged.

Balance, Protection, Warding, Shielding and Fleet sets with forge level 25.

Effective Proficiency:
536 one-handed
490 dual wielding
490 light armor
536 heavy armor

All the sets are in the same persona, because I only have one. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

DW Power sets are just possibilities. I set up just to see the numbers. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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DW: Shortsword Slaughter and Rapier Balance with forge level 50.

They're sort-of viable - definitely usable for arenas if you're a high level player with proper forging. But I would use club main-hand for arenas, not shortsword, and for IW/fest usage you'd want to use either shortsword or rapier main-hand with a wakizashi of the nimble in the offhand (theoretically up to ~95% parry).

It's extremely open to being battered by magic attacks, though...

This post has been edited by lestion: Jul 13 2020, 12:49

DW Club might work in IW/grindfest using a spread attack style.

They're sort-of viable - definitely usable for arenas if you're a high level player with proper forging. But I would use club main-hand for arenas, not shortsword, and for IW/fest usage you'd want to use either shortsword or rapier main-hand with a wakizashi of the nimble in the offhand (theoretically up to ~95% parry).

It's extremely open to being battered by magic attacks, though...

I have a good Club Slaughter. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) I just don't have enough credits to make the necessary upgrades. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

The Wakizashi with the biggest parry I have is this: Legendary Fiery Wakizashi of the Nimble

My intention is to do just a few tests on arenas and maybe IW. I don't intend to play grindfest (I don't even play normally because it takes too long, even though it's relatively safe with my Protection set).

What would be the best combination of potencies for a Club and a Wakizashi? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I have a good Club Slaughter. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) I just don't have enough credits to make the necessary upgrades. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

what about shortsword of slaughter + rapier of slaughter

What would be the best combination of potencies for a Club and a Wakizashi? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

If i remember correctly one of the most talked combo is:

Club = Butcher + Fatality
Waki= Butcher + Overpower

But is really up of what you want to do.

would do op5+fat4 on both personally (fatality gives slightly more damage than butcher for non-1H builds including power slaughter builds)

What would be the best combination of potencies for a Club and a Wakizashi? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/218623521/fc44c2f417

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) I have mine this way, and it works very well with both the DWD fighting style and the one-handed fighting style, it's more; I have a rapier with better stats than this wakizashi, but it does not have the correct combination of potencies, because of that the wakizashi greatly overshadows it with this combination of potencies.

what about shortsword of slaughter + rapier of slaughter

I don't know if this is a good thing. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) When I place 2 slaughters my "Offhand Strike on hit" drops from 100% to 89%. I don't know how much it affects gameplay. I can test this in the future, but I don't know when.

If i remember correctly one of the most talked combo is:

Club = Butcher + Fatality
Waki= Butcher + Overpower

But is really up of what you want to do.

would do op5+fat4 on both personally (fatality gives slightly more damage than butcher for non-1H builds including power slaughter builds)

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/218623521/fc44c2f417

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) I have mine this way, and it works very well with both the DWD fighting style and the one-handed fighting style, it's more; I have a rapier with better stats than this wakizashi, but it does not have the correct combination of potencies, because of that the wakizashi greatly overshadows it with this combination of potencies.

Thank you for your opinions. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Put the shortsword of slaughter in the offhand instead; due to its higher accuracy I think the offhand strike will go up to 96% (please verify for us).

For potencies I think like lestion, however I would say that maybe the club can have either butcher or fatality or overpower. If you are going to spread attack in grindfest, the club would want overpower 5. If you are going to target enemies individually in arenas, then but+fat on the club might be best.

For grindfest/item world I think butcher+overpower on the club might be fine. Even if fatality does more slightly more damage by the raw numbers.

DW likes to use Frenzied Blows a lot, so you don't need overpower for that, while both fatality and butcher increase the damage. Fatality increases by more (as with all skills) but Butcher may be better for increasing the minimum damage (no crit).

If you don't have any Bleeding Wound weapon, then I don't see why club + rapier can't use Swift Strike, especially for defense in grindfest/item world.

Put the shortsword of slaughter in the offhand instead; due to its higher accuracy I think the offhand strike will go up to 96% (please verify for us).

For potencies I think like lestion, however I would say that maybe the club can have either butcher or fatality or overpower. If you are going to spread attack in grindfest, the club would want overpower 5. If you are going to target enemies individually in arenas, then but+fat on the club might be best.

For grindfest/item world I think butcher+overpower on the club might be fine. Even if fatality does more slightly more damage by the raw numbers.

DW likes to use Frenzied Blows a lot, so you don't need overpower for that, while both fatality and butcher increase the damage. Fatality increases by more (as with all skills) but Butcher may be better for increasing the minimum damage (no crit).

If you don't have any Bleeding Wound weapon, then I don't see why club + rapier can't use Swift Strike, especially for defense in grindfest/item world.

This is the difference:

Main Hand: Shortsword of Slaughter
Off Hand: Rapier of Slaughter

89% Offhand Strike on hit
12690 attack base damage
253.9% hit chance

Main Hand: Rapier of Slaughter
Off Hand: Shortsword of Slaughter

96% Offhand Strike on hit
12641 attack base damage
240.9% hit chance

I really had not thought about it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

As I said, I don't intend to play grindfests, so maybe I don't have to worry so much about the defensive side. I really asked because, as I am not used to the DW style (I have always been 1H from the beginning; the other styles I only played to gain 1 proficiency point at each level, according to the old proficiency system).

Oh, and also because Clubs don't have parry, so I didn't remember how useful Overpower would be.

Oh, and also because Clubs don't have parry, so I didn't remember how useful Overpower would be.

These two things have no bearing on each other: counter-parry reduces the enemy's chance to parry you.

Unless you mean because they can't parry while stunned - but it still helps to land the first hit, and subsequent stuns after the first ones expire (since you can't re-apply until the previous one is finished). I think it should end up being roughly the same value regardless.

I don't know if this is a good thing. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

you already have the weapons, they don't even have overpower at all but why not.
Very high parry chance is always good when you are using heavy armor (you know, low evade and stuff) even in places like dwd

These two things have no bearing on each other: counter-parry reduces the enemy's chance to parry you.

Unless you mean because they can't parry while stunned - but it still helps to land the first hit, and subsequent stuns after the first ones expire (since you can't re-apply until the previous one is finished). I think it should end up being roughly the same value regardless.

From experience, I think a club should have Fatality 5 - Brutality 4 or vice versa, overpower is almost not necessary, it is even less necessary if you combine it with a weapon that already has parry and Overpower potency.

Unless you mean because they can't parry while stunned - but it still helps to land the first hit, and subsequent stuns after the first ones expire (since you can't re-apply until the previous one is finished). I think it should end up being roughly the same value regardless.

It was more or less what I was thinking, but I didn't remember where I read it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I expressed myself badly. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

you already have the weapons, they don't even have overpower at all but why not.
Very high parry chance is always good when you are using heavy armor (you know, low evade and stuff) even in places like dwd

I can test this out someday. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Since I just finished assembling the Warding and Fleet sets recently, and I also started using scripts just 2 months ago, I still have a lot of things I want to check out for myself. It will probably take a while until the time of testing with DW.

single sword

anyone know if I'm doing this right? im trying to level up my stats equally, i dont know if thats a good idea or not. I run light armor because I heard it was better and I have an exquisite estoc of slaughter because its the strongest i have atm

This post has been edited by Pzqmthm: Aug 9 2020, 07:08

anyone know if I'm doing this right? im trying to level up my stats equally, i dont know if thats a good idea or not. I run light armor because I heard it was better and I have an exquisite estoc of slaughter because its the strongest i have atm

try the ask the expert thread. Can't miss it, it's pinned.

Full forged (except accuracy) DW Heavy set, club of slaughter + rapier of balance