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And now it did happen, i am closing in on the absolute peak i will be able to reach with that specific set. Except additional damage, there isnt much left i could still forge. A peerl shield will probably stay a dream and the only peerl my armor does lack wouldnt improve my stats that much. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

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Note:
(1) Rapier and Shield: Forge Max
(2) Power Slaughter (4 pieces): Forge Lv.50
(3) Power Balance Set, Power Protection Set and Shielding Set: Forge Lv.25

I play DW with Shortsword of Balance and Rapier of Balance now, well sound ridiculous. But the main problam now is I got parry so often even I had overpower 3 on my main hand and overpower 4 on my offhand...

This post has been edited by what_is_name: Oct 29 2019, 17:51

Fundamentally the only 2 really viable DW sets are

- Club of Sluaghter with Rapier Of Balance

or, better

- Rapier Of Slaughter with Wakizashi of Nimble\Swiftness\Balance

Both set are better with matching equipment (like Arctic Rapier + Arctic Wakizashi, this is also the best cost effective pair).

Shortsword of Balance is fundamentally useless and after 200% hit Chance there is no more bonus, the enemy wll still evade\block\parry.

You have to increase ADB, Parry and evade to kill fast and survive.

For Potencies the Main Hand is better Butcher 5\4+Fatality 4\5 and in Off Hand Overpower 5\4 and what you think is better 4\5.

That the suggestions i got time ago whe i played DW.

This post has been edited by Maharid: Oct 30 2019, 04:14

Fundamentally the only 2 really viable DW sets are

- Club of Sluaghter with Rapier Of Balance

or, better

- Rapier Of Slaughter with Wakizashi of Nimble\Swiftness\Balance

Both set are better with matching equipment (like Arctic Rapier + Arctic Wakizashi, this is also the best cost effective pair).

Shortsword of Balance is fundamentally useless and after 200% hit Chance there is no more bonus, the enemy wll still evade\block\parry.

You have to increase ADB, Parry and evade to kill fast and survive.

For Potencies the Main Hand is better Butcher 5\4+Fatality 4\5 and in Off Hand Overpower 5\4 and what you think is better 4\5.

That the suggestions i got time ago whe i played DW.

There are some slight errors here.

Shortsword of balance is not completely useless - the hit chance on the offhand weapon is the only thing that contributes to your offhand strike hit chance beyond 75% - though (decent roll) rapiers and wakizashis can also hit 100% offhand strike chance (and the rapier proc is definitely preferable if you're playing club mainhand).

For potencies, it depends on which mainhand you're using. Overpower has less value for club because monsters can't parry while stunned, so it's only really the initial hit it affects. To that end, B5/F4 or F5/B4 is preferably on both weapons. (F5 is a little nicer on off-hands because of the off-hand damage penalty...)

For rapier/waki setup, both weapons should use overpower5 and either b4 or f4, as far as I know.

Otherwise your advice is sound: those combos are the preferable DW setups (depending on what kind of content you play - rapier/waki is defensive, for fests and hard IWs) and definitely don't neglect your evade/parry.

This post has been edited by lestion: Oct 30 2019, 04:45

Fundamentally the only 2 really viable DW sets are

- Club of Sluaghter with Rapier Of Balance

or, better

- Rapier Of Slaughter with Wakizashi of Nimble\Swiftness\Balance

Both set are better with matching equipment (like Arctic Rapier + Arctic Wakizashi, this is also the best cost effective pair).

Shortsword of Balance is fundamentally useless and after 200% hit Chance there is no more bonus, the enemy wll still evade\block\parry.

You have to increase ADB, Parry and evade to kill fast and survive.

For Potencies the Main Hand is better Butcher 5\4+Fatality 4\5 and in Off Hand Overpower 5\4 and what you think is better 4\5.

That the suggestions i got time ago whe i played DW.

There are some slight errors here.

Shortsword of balance is not completely useless - the hit chance on the offhand weapon is the only thing that contributes to your offhand strike hit chance beyond 75% - though (decent roll) rapiers and wakizashis can also hit 100% offhand strike chance (and the rapier proc is definitely preferable if you're playing club mainhand).

For potencies, it depends on which mainhand you're using. Overpower has less value for club because monsters can't parry while stunned, so it's only really the initial hit it affects. To that end, B5/F4 or F5/B4 is preferably on both weapons. (F5 is a little nicer on off-hands because of the off-hand damage penalty...)

For rapier/waki setup, both weapons should use overpower5 and either b4 or f4, as far as I know.

Otherwise your advice is sound: those combos are the preferable DW setups (depending on what kind of content you play - rapier/waki is defensive, for fests and hard IWs) and definitely don't neglect your evade/parry.

thanks for your advices, I will find some suitable weapon for a try, but maybe it not easy to find these set for so quickly, I will play and go on try it

Club Rapier is way better than Rapier Waki
More ADB and you're not forced to have OP10

Also, technically there's a super expensive style that may work with full forge:
Axe + Club + Savage Power of Balance
Offensively it beats any Savage Shadowdancer set in all aspects.

Shortsword of Slaughter too shabby in the offhand of DW; it can reach 96% offhand strike.

Shortsword of Swiftness could work too as a more offensive alternative to Wakizashi of Nimble.

This post has been edited by BlueWaterSplash: Nov 4 2019, 23:12

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Haven't timed my DWD performance so I can't say tho. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

2 equips of the elementalist for proficiency is too much? I have Daemon Duality level 3 btw.

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Criticize my stats without regard. I want to know what I am doing wrong. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Haven't timed my DWD performance so I can't say tho. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

2 equips of the elementalist for proficiency is too much? I have Daemon Duality level 3 btw.

Thanks

I think the problem isn't that you use 2 proficiency piece, the problem is you use robe slot for 2 proficiency setup.
as you could see yourself that you reach 1 prof factor with 891 prof eventhough you only need 860 prof for your level.

I think the problem isn't that you use 2 proficiency piece, the problem is you use robe slot for 2 proficiency setup.
as you could see yourself that you reach 1 prof factor with 891 prof eventhough you only need 860 prof for your level.

Thanks! Should I replace the robe? You think it would have a huge impact or just minimal?

Thanks! Should I replace the robe? You think it would have a huge impact or just minimal?

if you're going to go with just one elementalist, keep the robe, upgrade it to 50, replace the glove, I believe it's easier to keep high prof factor with just that (you'll ended up with around 0.81 prof factor before upgrading the robe)
Just replacing the robe isn't that bad though, with (I believe) losing less than 0.3 prof factor for... idk, around +50-60% EDB before upgrading?
if you still going to use 2, change the robe with shoes or cap instead.

will it have a huge impacts? well, the 60% edb for you could translate to ~10-15% more damage(?) with the cost of a little extra hiccup from resist. that's just a ballpark estimate tho.
you might feel it, you might not feel it, just try with some random mjolnir robe, for anything but IW and GF you don't need charged anyway.

bottom line is, any profficiency above 1.0 prof factor is excessive, with 3+2 setup you could reach 1.0 without robe and pants slot which gives huge direct damage bonus from it's EDB, moreover you're using redwood which gives a lot of elemental proficiency already.
it's a balancing problem which each person should weight by themselves as each person have different equip and different expectation, like some people are fine with 0.69 as long as the resist count are bearable, some ok with 0.999, some are 1.0 or fuck off. some are lucky enough to have their intended specific slot, some are not.

if you're going to go with just one elementalist, keep the robe, upgrade it to 50, replace the glove, I believe it's easier to keep high prof factor with just that (you'll ended up with around 0.81 prof factor before upgrading the robe)
Just replacing the robe isn't that bad though, with (I believe) losing less than 0.3 prof factor for... idk, around +50-60% EDB before upgrading?
if you still going to use 2, change the robe with shoes or cap instead.

will it have a huge impacts? well, the 60% edb for you could translate to ~10-15% more damage(?) with the cost of a little extra hiccup from resist. that's just a ballpark estimate tho.
you might feel it, you might not feel it, just try with some random mjolnir robe, for anything but IW and GF you don't need charged anyway.

bottom line is, any profficiency above 1.0 prof factor is excessive, with 3+2 setup you could reach 1.0 without robe and pants slot which gives huge direct damage bonus from it's EDB, moreover you're using redwood which gives a lot of elemental proficiency already.
it's a balancing problem which each person should weight by themselves as each person have different equip and different expectation, like some people are fine with 0.69 as long as the resist count are bearable, some ok with 0.999, some are 1.0 or fuck off. some are lucky enough to have their intended specific slot, some are not.

Yeah. Better to have it balanced so more damage would be better, too much proficiency I am not using. So should I go for radiant or charged gloves? And just upgrade the proficiency in the robe right? So I have that 0.8?

Yeah. Better to have it balanced so more damage would be better, too much proficiency I am not using. So should I go for radiant or charged gloves? And just upgrade the proficiency in the robe right? So I have that 0.8?

the 0.8 I mention is what I believe you'll have with just the robe as of now (replacing the gloves).
I have no baseline I follow for proficiency, I simply go as high as I could without spill over.
and yeah, upgrade the robe if you're going to use it on 4+1 setup, upgrading cotton should be cheap, right? you don't need phazon after all.

radiant or charged is once again depends on yourself.
charged is close to necessity only if you wants to play PFGF, it's main purpose is a boost on survivability.
for PFIW I believe 2 charged with spellweaver should be enough ( for 80+ round run you might need to use one or two elixirs though ).
If you just wants to play arena you don't need charged at all at your level, and could use radiant for more damage for faster clear.

the 0.8 I mention is what I believe you'll have with just the robe as of now (replacing the gloves).
I have no baseline I follow for proficiency, I simply go as high as I could without spill over.
and yeah, upgrade the robe if you're going to use it on 4+1 setup, upgrading cotton should be cheap, right? you don't need phazon after all.

radiant or charged is once again depends on yourself.
charged is close to necessity only if you wants to play PFGF, it's main purpose is a boost on survivability.
for PFIW I believe 2 charged with spellweaver should be enough ( for 80+ round run you might need to use one or two elixirs though ).
If you just wants to play arena you don't need charged at all at your level, and could use radiant for more damage for faster clear.

So charged is better. Arena is not enough to grind a day I think. And the difference is probably not great in time. Grindfest is actually a good way to burn that extra stamina. Any other advice????? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) Thanks

Club Rapier is way better than Rapier Waki
More ADB and you're not forced to have OP10

Also, technically there's a super expensive style that may work with full forge:
Axe + Club + Savage Power of Balance
Offensively it beats any Savage Shadowdancer set in all aspects.

Axe + Club + Power have not too much burden for a DW style?

Also, i used Club+Rapier for a long time but in the end i think that with Rapier+Waki you can get a far better bonus for the DW style.

Obviously the weapon quality is important.

Just for fu... how much is viable Rapier + Rapier? Is something stupid?

Axe + Club + Power have not too much burden for a DW style?

Also, i used Club+Rapier for a long time but in the end i think that with Rapier+Waki you can get a far better bonus for the DW style.

Obviously the weapon quality is important.

Just for fu... how much is viable Rapier + Rapier? Is something stupid?

I think axe + club's problem is not the burden so much as you would have absolutely no avoidance whatsoever, just some low parry from dex. If you want to play power DW, you will need to play rapier/waki to get your parry as high as possible (preferably peerless weapons) and even then you may struggle with magic attacks.

Club+rapier is unquestionably better in arenas, the offensive power is significantly stronger largely because you don't have to worry about monster parry (after landing the first stun...), but it is very unsafe for fests (though doable!). Rapier+waki may be faster on fests just because you'll need to heal a LOT less.

Rapier + rapier is an inferior version of rapier + waki. It's usable! just not as good.

This post has been edited by lestion: Nov 8 2019, 14:09

Axe + Club + Power have not too much burden for a DW style?

Feathers.

In any case, you get more ADB, more Crit Chance and more Crit Damage than a classic Savage Shadowdancer set.

I think axe + club's problem is not the burden so much as you would have absolutely no avoidance whatsoever, just some low parry from dex.

If 2h heavy is playable, and it is, anything is playable.

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This post has been edited by Juggernaut Santa: Nov 8 2019, 18:14

Feathers.

In any case, you get more ADB, more Crit Chance and more Crit Damage than a classic Savage Shadowdancer set.
If 2h heavy is playable, and it is, anything is playable.

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REs and arenas being survivable? Adequate clear times? IW/fest viability? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

playable as in, 2h heavy is my preferred style for clearing IWs. mage is faster but 2h is completely stress-free. and i have cleared PFfest with a longsword, so i think pretty much anything can do that