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post May 21 2016, 09:47
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this is an unclaimable bounty if you read the description.

https://e-hentai.org/bounty.php?bid=14195


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I have no problem with AtomicPuppy I've given him hundreds of millions of credits and tens of thousands of hath. He's not violating any rule at all. What I'm saying is that he has found an area which no rule covers that a rule should cover. I didn't contact him directly because he's not violating any rule.

I just feel he should be.

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post May 21 2016, 12:04
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Hrm, even worse is that he is pushing this bounty every other day or so by first removing, and then re-adding the very same bounty amount:
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post May 21 2016, 15:28
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How to claim this bounty: Translate this gallery to English, with Japanese script on top plox, pages 02 to 53: https://e-hentai.org/g/706110/89574430ed/
I'd argue his bigger problem is Engrish, whatever "top plox" mean.

There's nothing wrong in asking someone else to verify your bounty description, or copying bounty text from someone else.

He's just a bored catgirl without anything to do with the credits.

I have pointed him to this thread, in his own thread in the translation cove (that is a valid place to discuss bounties so it shall be fine).

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post May 21 2016, 15:49
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ May 21 2016, 09:28) *

I'd argue his bigger problem is Engrish, whatever "top plox" mean.


I think Plox is netspeak for please, so they are asking for "japanese script on top, please"
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post May 21 2016, 15:58
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ May 21 2016, 15:28) *
There's nothing wrong in asking someone else to verify your bounty description, or copying bounty text from someone else.

Except there is also that "Reserved for Snowflake" line in the bounty description, which renders the bounty unfulfillable.

There are a couple of rules missing here, which the lack of is currently abused:
  • Bounties must be fulfilable.
  • Since there is a reservation system in place, marking a bounty as "reserved" by description is void.
  • You must not attempt to bypass the "minimum increase to push" rule by removing a reward first.
  • You must not encourage other users to break the former rule on a bounty you posted.


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post May 21 2016, 16:49
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I will -gladly- flood the bounty system with bounties that cannot be claimed by anyone just to prove that allowing this to continue is a horrible idea.
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post May 21 2016, 16:56
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hold your horses!

QUOTE(foobar20324 @ May 21 2016, 14:58) *
Except there is also that "Reserved for Snowflake" line in the bounty description, which renders the bounty unfulfillable.
Whelp, that "there's nothing wrong with" was directed at atomicpuppy, who, i hope, will come to this thread.

He isn't a random spammer, neither he is unreasonable. He is around for a long time, and he knows most of the rules. All i wanna argue is that (contrary to random spammers) we should try a meaningful discussion first.

If he does not appear, i'll poke him by PM.
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post May 21 2016, 17:41
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QUOTE(G Just G @ May 21 2016, 10:49) *

I will -gladly- flood the bounty system with bounties that cannot be claimed by anyone just to prove that allowing this to continue is a horrible idea.

Take a chill-pill man. What's got you so jaded?

QUOTE(foobar20324 @ May 21 2016, 09:58) *

Since there is a reservation system in place, marking a bounty as "reserved" by description is void.


This rule and the reservation system are pretty new (a couple months?) iirc, older users may not have seen that this was implemented and the rules updated. Like blue penguin said, let's just alert atomic puppy that he should actually reserve it, instead of just adding that text to the description.
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post May 21 2016, 20:14
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QUOTE(foobar20324 @ May 21 2016, 15:58) *

Except there is also that "Reserved for Snowflake" line in the bounty description, which renders the bounty unfulfillable.

There are a couple of rules missing here, which the lack of is currently abused:
  • Bounties must be fulfilable.
  • Since there is a reservation system in place, marking a bounty as "reserved" by description is void.
  • You must not attempt to bypass the "minimum increase to push" rule by removing a reward first.
  • You must not encourage other users to break the former rule on a bounty you posted.


Hmmm......well, in the case of the "since there is a reservation/marking as "reserved" is void" part......yeah, I've got to be honest, I didn't know that had been added, happen to have a couple of my own bounties just like that (hey, I've got my reasons).......however that rule does not say I can't do that it simply says it's "void", which, means to me the site won't consider that as a legitimate reason to dispute a claim. So, yeah, okay, I've been warned, understand, and proceed at my own risk. Fine, no rule actually broken here, right?

Some of those others, the "must be fulfilable" part......yeah, well, rules are rules, I guess you're right and it needs to be brought up. atomicpuppy does help bring a lot of manga to the English speaking community, so yeah, I'd personally assume it's just an oversight on their part.

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post May 21 2016, 20:40
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QUOTE(svines85 @ May 21 2016, 20:14) *

Hmmm......well, in the case of the "since there is a reservation/marking as "reserved" is void" part......yeah, I've got to be honest, I didn't know that had been added

These are not rules yet. Just loopholes in the existing rules, where you would have expected that common sense would have been sufficient NOT to abuse these. Loopholes such as reserving a fake bounty to a "user" who is certainly not participating in the bounty hunt.

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post May 21 2016, 20:48
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QUOTE(foobar20324 @ May 21 2016, 20:40) *

These are not rules yet. Just loopholes in the existing rules, where you would have expected that common sense would have been sufficient NOT to abuse these. Loopholes such as reserving a fake bounty to a "user" who is certainly not participating in the bounty hunt.

Ah, I see that now, I didn't read your post closely enough, my bad.....it's what I get for trying to participate when I'm still half-asleep (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Yeah, I've looked back over the wiki now........so, why are we making a big deal out of this again? It's not really at all, is it?
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post May 21 2016, 21:42
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QUOTE(svines85 @ May 21 2016, 14:48) *

Yeah, I've looked back over the wiki now........so, why are we making a big deal out of this again? It's not really at all, is it?


I was thinking the same thing... It's a 60M credit bounty for translating a 53 page novel. It was reserved for someone (looks like it got edited out). The rest of the text is just describing his bounty methodology for all of his bounties, not some arcane rules or anything like that. It certainly looks fine to me.
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post May 21 2016, 22:41
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QUOTE(ilwaz @ May 21 2016, 21:42) *

I was thinking the same thing... It's a 60M credit bounty for translating a 53 page novel. It was reserved for someone (looks like it got edited out). The rest of the text is just describing his bounty methodology for all of his bounties, not some arcane rules or anything like that. It certainly looks fine to me.

Except that when I last checked a couple of days ago, this "bounty" didn't even include the coverup bounty now shown, but only the "rules". And that thing is being kept pushed to the first page, top osition over and over again by abusing the option to remove a previous reward from a bounty and just adding it again right away.
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post May 21 2016, 23:08
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I have no problem with AtomicPuppy I've given him hundreds of millions of credits and tens of thousands of hath. He's not violating any rule at all. What I'm saying is that he has found an area which no rule covers that a rule should cover. I didn't contact him directly because he's not violating any rule.

I just feel he should be.
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QUOTE(G Just G @ May 22 2016, 00:49) *

I will -gladly- flood the bounty system with bounties that cannot be claimed by anyone just to prove that allowing this to continue is a horrible idea.

QUOTE(blue penguin @ May 22 2016, 00:56) *

hold your horses!


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post May 22 2016, 02:40
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wowzers over 300m in bounties total across all those listed by AP. That seems like a decent amount.

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300m...wooow seems phat sooon xD
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The only problem I see is that an unclaimable high value bounty is taking a spot in the Top 10.

Let's forget the add or remove because it can be just add 1000 credit peanuts each day anyway) is potentially problematic, and bumping it every day - why not.

However, if this is allowed, soon we will have such advertising-list bounties taking most of Top 10.

Whether it's good or bad, hmmm.

Also, I already have a few bounties like https://e-hentai.org/bounty.php?bid=11171 which while claimable are somewhat of a "chose one option" bounties. Or https://e-hentai.org/bounty.php?bid=13992 , or https://e-hentai.org/bounty.php?bid=13931 ...

About atomicpuppy's bounty, I thought at first I'd agree with G's point, but after thinking about this, hmmm. It may not be what the bounties looked like originally but.... you know, I have a hundred or so bounties and bumping them daily - sometimes I get 20-30 a day - is a bit of a pain. Frankly, until Ten adds a function to automatically renew a bounty for a set amount as long as an account has funds (pretty please), I will not blame anyone for trying to figure out a shortcut. Frankly, again, I am tempted to do imitate him myself, because the 5-10 minutes I have to spend every few days renewing my bounties is an annoying waste of time. A 30-40m placed in "bounty escrow" or whatever, advertising my bounty thread, that is not a stupid idea, really.
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post May 28 2016, 02:10
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I would worry more about many disastrous renames that can't be countered quite easily than a single bounty taking up a spot in the "Top 10" of bounty lists.

It's all about priorities.
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