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Some Peerless but not that good mmm...

Peerless Amber Phase Cap of Mjolnir
Peerless Ruby Power Helmet of Warding

This post has been edited by VawX: Aug 10 2019, 04:13

Umm glad some others told me different. As my 50k Legendary Rapier sold for 500k (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

lol people love to waste credits (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
Anyway 50k was an exaggeration of course.

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I would have bazaared it the second I dropped it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

But of course the way some people value their credits is none of my concern (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Good for you fam. Good for you.
It's like when I sold a 33% ADB ethereal estoc for 1.2m, and the price was so high exclusively for the perfect IW, and the person who bought it, reforged it and redid the IW to get trash potencies, then forged it to 75 (that is like forging a good one to 40 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) )

This post has been edited by Juggernaut Santa: Aug 10 2019, 05:39

I don't think that the person who paid 500k for that rapier is going to use it as his "final" rapier, but as some stepping tool to at least get some decent weapon to go by.

Not everyone can afford paying for a >80% ADB Legendary <element> Rapier of Slaughter, so people make do with what they can.

I'm not sure about the price of a "good" Legendary Rapier of Slaughter, but my guess is that it isn't something I could afford right now.

I don't think that the person who paid 500k for that rapier is going to use it as his "final" rapier, but as some stepping tool to at least get some decent weapon to go by.

Not everyone can afford paying for a >80% ADB Legendary <element> Rapier of Slaughter, so people make do with what they can.

I'm not sure about the price of a "good" Legendary Rapier of Slaughter, but my guess is that it isn't something I could afford right now.

prices have dropped by a lot for Rapiers, its under 5M maybe 2-3M

lol people love to waste credits (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

But of course the way some people value their credits is none of my concern :

If that's how you define "waste", I believe nobody would ever "waste" credits on your highlighted item.
Just to make it clear, that wasn't intended for any sarcasm or offense. Half of the shopkeepers are doing so, and I don't feel anything about it. Just don't define a very normal choice as waste.

My first Lv290 L ethereal rapier 55% ADB was sold for 2.7m. The start price was 2m.
I give people relative facts not opinions.

I don't think that the person who paid 500k for that rapier is going to use it as his "final" rapier, but as some stepping tool to at least get some decent weapon to go by.

Not everyone can afford paying for a >80% ADB Legendary <element> Rapier of Slaughter, so people make do with what they can.

I'm not sure about the price of a "good" Legendary Rapier of Slaughter, but my guess is that it isn't something I could afford right now.

If I just assume all of your melee gear is 0% ADB, a 100% ADB set is only 10% faster than you. That's how much offensive stats affect. And that's the truth of HV.

Percentile is somewhat delusional and deceptive. Seeing that 90%+ stats, wasting 10m on a perfect rapier, then you are maybe only 2% faster than one with a 1m rapier.

Btw, define "good". The way that the general market values items is not totally based on facts. Rather a big proportion comes from pride, prejudice or asymmetric information.
Most people pay high for useless parry, due to pursue for perfect rolls or just following the trend. A 90% ADB, 0% parry sometimes sells for only 1m, or even less. A 90% ADB, 90% parry can sell for 5m, or even 10m.

Except parry isn't useless at all, especially at a low level.
I agree that percentile ranges is largely misinterpreted and given more credits than it should get, but frankly there is no room for my own opinion when I decide start prices. Irrational behavior has got just as much room in the market as more logical thought process.
Understanding the market and having a grasp of the different kinds of players who are part of it certainly helps a lot at knowing the true value of an item.

Legendary Mystic Phase Gloves of Fenrir

Shitty rolls but it can still be worth at least 50K?

Legendary Mystic Phase Gloves of Fenrir

Shitty rolls but it can still be worth at least 50K?

hgw, mystic + 1% edb

If I just assume all of your melee gear is 0% ADB, a 100% ADB set is only 10% faster than you. That's how much offensive stats affect. And that's the truth of HV.

Percentile is somewhat delusional and deceptive. Seeing that 90%+ stats, wasting 10m on a perfect rapier, then you are maybe only 2% faster than one with a 1m rapier.

Btw, define "good". The way that the general market values items is not totally based on facts. Rather a big proportion comes from pride, prejudice or asymmetric information.
Most people pay high for useless parry, due to pursue for perfect rolls or just following the trend. A 90% ADB, 0% parry sometimes sells for only 1m, or even less. A 90% ADB, 90% parry can sell for 5m, or even 10m.

Yes, but the whole point of this isn't having just one 100% range piece of gear, but having the whole set.

You have talked about a 10% difference with the weapon. And that's just the ADB, the other stats also play an important role in clearing speed, for a 1H Heavy set I've learned about these:

- ADB: kills enemies faster.
- Accuracy: less missed hits, up to 200%.
- Critical Hit Accuracy: increased chance of delivering a Critical, that means 50% extra damage at least.
- Critical Damage: iirc, you can't have this except as Potencies.
- Block and Parry: apart from blocking attacks, chances of countering them (up to 75% and 3 attacks per turn, according to wiki); that is, more damage.
- PMit/MMit/Elemental Mitigations/Damage Mitigations: higher survival chances, thus lower chances of failing whatever challenge you're involved in. Less need of Heals, thus saving resources and time.
- Burden: if over 70, you lose Critical Hit Accuracy.
- Interference: lower MP cost for your buffs and debuffs on enemies (namely Imperil - higher damage - and Weaken - lower damage from enemies).

Sure, there are stats more important and less important, like ADB and Parry for a rapier and you usually forget about the rest or just take a secondary role, especially burden and interference.

Just with your example, having 100% ADB and Parry means that the 10% you've given should also take into account the extra parry and counters too, in a synergic way (that is, the parry "bonus" increased another 10% due to higher ADB).

Now consider that you have a shield and 5 different pieces of armour, and we get to a point where having those overpriced gears means that you're clearing your arenas a 25-30% faster (giving an estimation, might be even more) than someone with more normal gears (I'm not even coming from 0%), in a safer way (even with just the ADB, he kills enemies faster, that is, less damage) and using less resources.

So, that 1 hour you might take to clear an arena, the guy next to you takes 40 minutes, giving him more time to clear another arena. Meaning that he takes less time a day grinding his arenas of choice.

In the end, it's your own time what you're saving on. And as they say, "time is gold".


Still, the whole point of the post you quoted was to mention that I don't consider those 500k a waste, as it's something the buyer found affordable and that will really improve his experience in game.

500k is quite a bit of money for me, for example, and I don't want to think about 5 or 10M. In fact, I want to get Tokenizer, so that will be 4M. I guess it will take me a while, unless some lucky drop comes by.

And as long as I don't get distracted by shiny toys or lotteries, as I usually am.

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I don't think you understand what you say and how you illogically lead to these inference and the numbers. It will never be 25% faster.
Other attributes are far less effective in improving your clean speed. Consider 1h's high block chance, and half of the monsters dead during stun, did you assume parry would make such a big difference in clean speed.

You seem to make a powerful stand, but the ways you understand how the various stats affect your clean speed are totally nonsense in practical.

Also when others waste credits on gears that has only 1~2 90% roll stats, some players should've bought more DD perks, which are obviously more useful.

The intention of my answer was to provide you and others advice to use the credits wisely and effectively. It's not like I'm opposing any of your points.

I don't think you understand what you say and how you illogically lead to these inference and the numbers. It will never be 25% faster.
Other attributes are far less effective in improving your clean speed. Consider 1h's high block chance, and half of the monsters dead during stun, did you assume parry would make such a big difference in clean speed.

You seem to make a powerful stand, but the ways you understand how the various stats affect your clean speed are totally nonsense in practical.

Also when others waste credits on gears that has only 1~2 90% roll stats, some players should've bought more DD perks, which are obviously more useful.

The intention of my answer was to provide you and others advice to use the credits wisely and effectively. It's not like I'm opposing any of your points.

For someone whose intention is to provide me and others advice to use the credits wisely and not opposing any of my points, you sure have managed to call me an idiot and illogical in the same post, and my ways of understanding things are total nonsense.

You might have more experience than me in this game, but your posting leaves a lot to desire, attacking the person instead of his arguments, and worse, not even saying "why" and "how" that person is mistaken.

I'll be clear in one point:

I don't think you understand what you say

I do clearly understand what I say, as I'm not an idiot. I might be mistaken in my perception of how stats specifically influence the game, I might not have explained myself properly (or you might not have understood me properly, now that we are on personal attacks towards each other), but I'm not as stupid as to not understand what I say.


You know? I was going to write a long explanation as to what I wanted to mean with my post, but I won't bother. To be honest, I don't want to even keep arguing with you.

I'm not sure if your advice is solid or not, but if it implies disrespecting the other person, don't bother. I don't want it.

PS: and just to point out. I have no issues with being mistaken. I mean, you're probably right, either completely or partially. But I do have issues with people who disrespect me.

This post has been edited by ahroun: Aug 11 2019, 08:58

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I suppose you've been very awkward in your way of giving an advice about how to use one's credits a wise way. Because that's really not how it looks like.

Let's say that's what you wanted to do, then let me tell you this: players spend their credits the way they feel like. This game isn't all about optimizing one's credits usage, at least not for everyone. They may be spending them in an irrational/ignorant way, and that's perfectly fine. They may "waste" them at things that are generally regarded as perfectly useless to the eyes of other players, and it's fine too.

Now, if someone thinks that a rapier is worth spending 500kC because it allows him to have a better defense, then be it. Even if the 500KC could have been used a way that would have allowed him to improve his playstyle more efficiently. Who knows, maybe he was planning on doing that more efficient thing but he jumped on the rapier anyway because you don't see a high parry for that low of a price that often.

You gotta understand that your way of playing/enjoying the game, optimizing (or not) the gameplay is not everyone else's, and that there isn't only one way to play the game/be efficient.

One liiittle thing: parry is not useless at all. Excuse Parry for being the 2nd most important stat after Block for a 1H gameplay. ADB comes after. You clearly have forgotten where you're coming from, so let me refresh your memory: players between Lvl300 and Lvl400 have "better defense" as their top priority for a 1H gameplay. ADB is a secondary worry, as it's quite pointless if they can't survive. So a high parry rapier is definitely a better investment than DDI, for these players.

PS for both of you:
Improvement on clear times is not a thing that can be calculated from the stats. Only experience and a good ability to spot one's weaknesses can determine what to do to enhance the said clear time. HV Utils and all kinds of tools are not there to do nonsensical calculation such as "% of improvement on the clear speed", but to help one analyzing his performance and taking decisions.

Bonus:
I consider power of slaughter as perfectly useless, aside from entering the ADB e-peenis contest. Do I call others idiots for wasting ludicrous amounts of credits in these, while they could improve their clear times more efficiently with (way) cheaper ways? No.
Do I call players who spend millions in rapiers and power of slaughter idiots, when they could build a mage set for that price? No.
So let's just let people do what they want to do and have fun their own way.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Aug 11 2019, 10:37

attacking the person instead of his arguments, and worse, not even saying "why" and "how" that person is mistaken.

Thing I said after the first quote was to suggest not wasting credits on equipments that are solely good on ADB. That's it. I didn'twant to attack any arguments yet.
Then you start interpreting all stats, and you suddenly come up with ridiculous 25%~30% estimation from nowhere, which is absurd. Then 40mins in contrast to an hour. That's what I opposed and doubted if you go back and read. The inference to get the numbers was certainly too jumpy.
And yea I didn't say why, cuz...watsoever...
I'll just give a simple example. The parry from 0% to 100%, forged to 50 @Lv500 on your rapier only gives play approxi. 2% more parry. And it's obvious after one take block and others into consideration, one can understand how minor the changes are in terms of speed.
Other stats that you've mentioned will not affect 1h that far because 1h offers excessive survivability. 1h players will have very low heal frequency, therefore defensive stats do not have as much effect as you've presumed. Also the stats are multiplicative, so the benefits from diminishing returns are even less. All these are broad understanding.

My bad. Enjoy your HV journey...

nvm...

This post has been edited by -vincento-: Aug 11 2019, 16:56

Stop

Friendly reminder to keep it friendly (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Hey, let the kids play like that. It builds character.

Hey, let the kids play like that. It builds character.

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How about this one?

Peerless Hallowed Oak Staff dropped [Legendary Amber Power Gauntlets of Slaughter]

How about this one?

Peerless Hallowed Oak Staff dropped [Legendary Amber Power Gauntlets of Slaughter]

Should not be that high since it got terrible ADB and quite a high level, probably only around 1M mmm...

Lv 121 Lengendary Arctic Club of Balance
Novice wanna sell it after getting fair evaluation