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I still remember a time one year ago when I was the one saying that the low level Magnificent Force Shields were worth quite a bit, and others including decondelite said they were worth 50k, and wondering why low level items should be priced more. I'm not an expert on pricing but as time passed my general sense of level price scaling in particular classes of equipment won out and became accepted.

In this case I actually agree with cbn on both those items. The stats on that Magnificent Force Shield are misreported, it's actually below 0% legendary block, therefore it's crap. And though I am the greatest supporter of plate, even I use mostly power at level 339, so that one with mediocre block is also in low demand.

And if I may be so bold, I might say that decondelite over-adjusted his beliefs and currently values low level on some items too much. Level price scaling does not affect all classes and qualities of equipment the same. Stuff that is for high level players such as mage gear should not increase in price at a low level. Peerless or high stat legendaries also do not increase in price at low level, because high level players will still want them, they have more money, and they will be greedy and buy and soulfuse them.

Equipments that increase dramatically in price at low level are magnificents and mediocre legendaries for 1H style because that's what the level 200~300 players are hungry for. Equipments that increase moderately in price are mediocre legendaries (but not magnificents) for DW style in the level 300~350 range because DW returns to being a strong style above level 300 and those gear can be used without soulfuse. DW equipment in the level 200~300 range does not increase significantly further because DW is an inferior style at those levels (though it's the best below level 200).

Level price scaling is complex and you should primarily consider usefulness as your guide for how much to increase the price. Some stuff like crap legendary 2H is crap for all levels and may not increase at all.

Imo a low level doesnt mean such things like a Mag Force Shield be worth more, but even be worth something at all. It may be total crap for a person who has access to all or at least nearly all equipments that could come up in auctions. But what about players who are so low in level that in general there is nothing in the auctions they could even think of soulfuse soon? See? That is the only reason why i said that it could be worth something at all.

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You probably don't mean it, but you're basically insulting me right now. I've already said several times that my own beliefs count as zero in my estimations. And you're very, very far from knowing how a price is actually determined. Flush all your theory down the toilet, because if there is one thing you apparently don't grasp to its fullest, it's that the market is quite elusive, random, contains a huge oprtion of irrational things, is extremely complex overall, and can be influenced.

So what if I set start prices too high to your taste? Whatever the amount of logic you can put behind it, it's worth peanuts as long as there is one person who doesn't think like that. If sometimes I kick stuff out and lower some start prices, it's because it appears that the price hasn't been to anyone's taste for an extended amount of time. As long as there is one player who bids, even if it takes two months, then it's what the item's worth, period. And in such a case, both the seller and I win.

The only law I obey is the market's, but that doesn't mean I can't try to bend it.
So if I can give you an advice: consider the market in its entirety, and don't take your opinion into account when saying that my start prices are too high or too low. Your logic might not be someone else's.

In the end, whatever. I suppose I won't post here again unless there is an absolute necessity.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Jul 22 2018, 01:45

Thanks!

Few more things:

Magnificent Savage Power Armor of Protection

Magnificent Power Helmet of Warding

Legendary Radiant Phase Cap of Surtr


This post has been edited by Yashvir: Jul 22 2018, 01:38

Your Mag Power Helmet links to the Leg Radiant Phase Cap. For the Mag Sav Power armor you will sure as sure find a buyer. I am not sure about the Warding Helmet. Imo every non Slaughter Power Armor set should have at least one warding. People assume them to be bad, so i am not sure about it.

Magnificent Zircon Power Boots of Protection
bazzar?

Fixed the links, and thanks!

Fixed the links, and thanks!

You are welcome. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) Btw if i were you, i would still try to sell the warding. 216 is quite low, the damage is good. And when the game actually is how it is, the low mitigations should not matter too much.

Magnificent Zircon Power Boots of Protection
bazzar?

No, you should at least try to sell it. 368 is imo allready in the grey area between a sure sell and bazaar for everything not Leg. But the damage is quite good and the mitigations okay. So i would not say it is impossible to sell this one.

Thanks!

Few more things:

Magnificent Savage Power Armor of Protection

Magnificent Power Helmet of Warding

Legendary Radiant Phase Cap of Surtr

1. about 300k because the str is gone (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
2. about 500k I thought, but the True newbie should not buy this one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
3. 5M up (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

maybe 1 and 2 deserve much more but I dont think the newbie could afford that price
,but the Speculator owned the market (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Oh snap, didn't expect that much (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

thanks for the advice!

A radiant surtz doesn't deserve that much. 0~3m

1. about 300k because the str is gone (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
2. about 500k I thought, but the True newbie should not buy this one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
3. 5M up (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


maybe 1 and 2 deserve much more but I dont think the newbie could afford that price
,but the Speculator owned the market (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

5M?... dont know but pretty sure surtr isnt that popular.

also, this "Speculator" can sell stuff like mags for those prices???

My prices must raise! I have legendary stuff of low levels at 200k, but a Magnificent Power Helmet of Warding non salvage, no forged and no IW at that price???

Jesus! Thats not a scam, for sure, thats fair.

Magnificent Savage Power Armor of Protection

Magnificent Power Helmet of Warding

Legendary Radiant Phase Cap of Surtr

1. 150k, no Str and I feel only high level buyers value the savage prefix

2. 300k, good attack roll but no prefix. I think this is enough inflation for the level

3. no comment I don't look at mage stuff yet

it's worth peanuts as long as there is one person who doesn't think like that. As long as there is one player who bids, even if it takes two months, then it's what the item's worth, period. And in such a case, both the seller and I win.

The only law I obey is the market's, but that doesn't mean I can't try to bend it.

The counter opinion is still worth something if only one or two other guys agree with you. Your thinking has become too aligned with shops and sellers. You have forgotten the plight of the buyer.

In this thread we are giving prices based on what we believe to be reasonably fair, an average price for that equipment being sold in an average amount of time. Not the maximum we could get if we gouged the buyer.

Shops can sell items for more than regular auctions because they are willing to wait longer. This doesn't mean the item is sold at a fair price.

Low level items should also be held longer than high level items because low level buyers are too poor. But that only really applies to super low level items near level 200. Once an equipment is level 250+ a typical buyer has enough to purchase it on hand, and there is no meaning in holding the item beyond the typical week's time, aside from gouging the buyer.

5M?... dont know but pretty sure surtr isnt that popular.

also, this "Speculator" can sell stuff like mags for those prices???

My prices must raise! I have legendary stuff of low levels at 200k, but a Magnificent Power Helmet of Warding non salvage, no forged and no IW at that price???

Jesus! Thats not a scam, for sure, thats fair.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) bro I thought u know me
u must figure out wat i target (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) bro I thought u know me
u must figure out wat i target (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Just an advice: Stop right now.
You dont want A-BP-S watching you.

5M?... dont know but pretty sure surtr isnt that popular.

also, this "Speculator" can sell stuff like mags for those prices???

My prices must raise! I have legendary stuff of low levels at 200k, but a Magnificent Power Helmet of Warding non salvage, no forged and no IW at that price???

Jesus! Thats not a scam, for sure, thats fair.

I'd say your prices do not need raising. We all know you buy the stuff with great names and bad stats in auction and try to sell for high profits.

Just an advice: Stop right now.
You dont want A-BP-S watching you.

The mod team is here to help the community. If you don't like that - just go to another community.

My prices must raise!

even more? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Just an advice: Stop right now.
You dont want A-BP-S watching you.

you know, usually we don't watch/keep watching anyone unless strictly needed. it's not like we miss things to do. so, is there anything we should know about someone we should check? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Legendary Cobalt Plate Cuirass of Warding
Bazaar?

Legendary Cobalt Plate Cuirass of Warding
Bazaar?

no, probably sellable at decondelite's auction. Might fetch 20-40k, I guess?