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post Nov 29 2016, 21:11
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QUOTE(IshimaruShun @ Nov 29 2016, 19:24) *

Ah I forgot about resellers. Only had lowbies in mind when I thought about bid wars on lowbie stuff (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

well, imo resellers aren't a problem on their own. newbie rippers are.
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post Nov 29 2016, 21:13
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 29 2016, 20:11) *

well, imo resellers aren't a problem on their own. newbie rippers are.

Both aren't exactly the greatest people (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Nov 29 2016, 21:21
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Nov 29 2016, 20:13) *

Both aren't exactly the greatest people (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

feel free to think that way. i think that there's a bit of a difference between making (just saying) sir jenga pay 50k for a useless leather and making a newbie pay 50k for an unassigned leather. but both things happened.
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post Nov 29 2016, 21:31
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 29 2016, 20:21) *

feel free to think that way. i think that there's a bit of a difference between making (just saying) sir jenga pay 50k for a useless leather and making a newbie pay 50k for an unassigned leather. but both things happened.

Well yeah, newbie rippers are worse but rippers in general aren't good.
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post Nov 29 2016, 21:45
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Nov 29 2016, 21:10) *

It can surely go above 37.2, at least to 37.25% since that Shield has that Block value, it's the new record.

Oops, I somehow looked it was 37.24% on that Buckler in the auction preview. Anyway, 37.17% used to be the highest block before, so that's why I used to think Peerless would be around 37.2% (when in fact it could be closer to 37.3% even).

The reason why high-end Bucklers are not getting as high bids as high-end Force Shields is that Force Shields are simply better for 1H style. They have higher block and mitigations and the higher ITR is not an issue with the current potion system. Also the cost of DMMs has gone down and definitely shouldn't be a problem for someone looking for high-end shields.

I think Bucklers are still cool though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Nov 29 2016, 22:08
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QUOTE(Logii @ Nov 29 2016, 20:45) *

I think Bucklers are still cool though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Same here, i have a Leg Reinf. Buckler of Barrier too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Nov 29 2016, 22:53
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 29 2016, 16:41) *
[rant]here, this ADB-centric view is one of the things that ruined the market. the damn day that people will understand that the spread into percentile ranges is worth like a drunk's song, everybody will be happy and will do good business (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)[/rant]
The Legendary spread is definitely large enough for interested players to worry about once they have the funds and the ability to compete over such things. And ADB is the most important stat for players at that level.

But Mags and lower generally have significantly lower ranges IIRC. (eg. the difference between a Leg with Lmin and Lmax is significantly larger than the difference between a Mag with Mmin and Mmax). So for low-to-medium players considering Mags to buy, the spread within the Mag range isn't much to care about IMO. It's not nothing, but it's not enough to sweat and calculate over.

But your Mag rapier is level 353. That's getting into the range where Legendary Slaughter rapiers start becoming (uncommonly) available. So a level 253 player looking for a rapier might not be quite as willing to spend a whole lot on a Mag. But who knows, IMO if you see a good offer, take it.
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 29 2016, 16:41) *
on the other hand, what about this one? dropped while i was IWing the rapier: Legendary Frugal Phase Cap of Freyr
EDB 92%, with a useful Frugal prefix on one of the most popular elements. It'll go for a decent amount regardless, >500k.
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 29 2016, 17:27) *
optimization should come only after your needs are satisfied.
Those who think like economists will say that everyone is always (trying) to optimize with every decision (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Utility functions are mostly continuous
QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Nov 29 2016, 17:44) *
I just took a look at Super next auction preview, and i saw a Legendary Mithril Buckler of the Barrier lv 497, with peerless Block (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
What price will something like that maybe reach? Just curious.
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...t&p=4523753
[Shd04] Legendary Reinforced Buckler of the Barrier (441, BLK 100%) (seller: aided) Lunarika 2.575m Proxy bid after #178

But that had Agi instead of Dex, and Dex might be the most useful PAB for high-level players. I don't know, maybe this one will go for 4m-6m?
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 29 2016, 17:59) *
you know, if i sell an item it means that i, the seller, agreed to such terms. and once the item isn't in my hands anymore, i cannot say anything anymore. btw, this is also latanium's view, if someone is wondering why certain people are still allowed to bid in his auctions.
I don't list this in the rules or guidelines because the rules are already so long, but people are free to send or recall mails up until the beginning of the auction. (though that's only about 10 hours from now)
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 29 2016, 17:59) *
and now that i think about it, a certain reseller may come like a vulture. i prefer to lose a few credits now rather than seeing a newbie scammed so hard in the future.
You may have noticed that "a certain reseller" usually only bids relatively low; he bids less than the fair market price for someone truly interested in the item (and then resells higher than that fair market price). A strategy for getting around that is to set a start bid close enough to the fair market price that the reseller doesn't try to bid, because the profit margin would be too small and uncertain. And I think the range of a few hundred k for a Mag rapier of that quality is exactly that - it's probably not quite so good enough that he'd want to drop so much on it.

(and in the case that he does mistakenly bid more than the fair market price on it, you'll get more credits profit, and it probably won't sell in the shop; everyone wins except him)

(this isn't me encouraging you to auction it, I'm just pointing out that there are ways around your concern if you're worried)
QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Nov 29 2016, 19:31) *
Well yeah, newbie rippers are worse but rippers in general aren't good.
Resellers are doing a useful service. Without them, it's likely that many gears would be bazaared/salvaged, and wouldn't be accessible to anyone. The existence of resellers is good for players who are eager to buy a certain type of gear, can't stand to wait a few weeks for all the appropriate types to pop up in an auction, and are willing to pay moderately more than the average auction price in exchange.

Example, ages ago someone sold me an Exq Hallowed Rapier of Slaughter for 100k when I was level 1XX. Perhaps that person bought it from an auction for 50k. But I was much, much happier being able to have a prefixed OK-quality rapier in the first place, than I would have been if I wouldn't have been able to buy it at all.

Resellers resell somewhat above average market price in exchange for the convenience of others being able to buy it any time. That's quite fair IMO.
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post Nov 29 2016, 23:43
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 29 2016, 22:53) *


Example, ages ago someone sold me an Exq Hallowed Rapier of Slaughter for 100k when I was level 1XX. Perhaps that person bought it from an auction for 50k. But I was much, much happier being able to have a prefixed OK-quality rapier in the first place, than I would have been if I wouldn't have been able to buy it at all.



Which turns out to be me in this case, lol

You can't always be completely technical and objective when you determine the price.

Well there's usually the factor of the "needs" when someone wants to have something. so I'm happy to spend a good amount to buy this from Screm-chan, at a fair enough price to make him happy too.

Supes being so unprejudicedness consolidates my choice more. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post Nov 30 2016, 00:19
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 29 2016, 21:53) *

The Legendary spread is definitely large enough for interested players to worry about once they have the funds and the ability to compete over such things. And ADB is the most important stat for players at that level.

But Mags and lower generally have significantly lower ranges IIRC. (eg. the difference between a Leg with Lmin and Lmax is significantly larger than the difference between a Mag with Mmin and Mmax). So for low-to-medium players considering Mags to buy, the spread within the Mag range isn't much to care about IMO. It's not nothing, but it's not enough to sweat and calculate over.

i cannot help but reading this as "low-to-medium players should be happy if they can reach a M-range item (obviously, the closer to MMax the better but not mandatory) and higherups can freely kill themselves over fancier items, if it's what they want"

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 29 2016, 21:53) *

But who knows, IMO if you see a good offer, take it.

which is what happened. Rapier isn't for sale anymore, but thanks to everyone spent a bit of their time to evaluate it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 29 2016, 21:53) *

EDB 92%, with a useful Frugal prefix on one of the most popular elements. It'll go for a decent amount regardless, >500k.

good. you have a MM.

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 29 2016, 21:53) *

Those who think like economists will say that everyone is always (trying) to optimize with every decision (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Utility functions are mostly continuous

i'm an engineer, i'm bound to think about optimization (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
and albeit continuous, i'm pretty sure you know like me that they (or their linearizations at the very least) may present some sharp corner here and there, or some traits in which their growth ratio is quite different from the previous traits (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 29 2016, 21:53) *

I don't list this in the rules or guidelines because the rules are already so long, but people are free to send or recall mails up until the beginning of the auction. (though that's only about 10 hours from now)

if you ask me, i don't even consider it worth mentioning. seems pretty plausible to me (seeing that updates happen every now and then, but you clearly state that they aren't sorted) that you run a script every now and then, and the actual list is built only a few minutes prior the start of the auction.

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 29 2016, 21:53) *

You may have noticed that "a certain reseller" usually only bids relatively low; he bids less than the fair market price for someone truly interested in the item (and then resells higher than that fair market price). A strategy for getting around that is to set a start bid close enough to the fair market price that the reseller doesn't try to bid, because the profit margin would be too small and uncertain. And I think the range of a few hundred k for a Mag rapier of that quality is exactly that - it's probably not quite so good enough that he'd want to drop so much on it.

(and in the case that he does mistakenly bid more than the fair market price on it, you'll get more credits profit, and it probably won't sell in the shop; everyone wins except him)

(this isn't me encouraging you to auction it, I'm just pointing out that there are ways around your concern if you're worried)

well, it may be. but listing items in his shp is still advertising for him, and he already earns more than enough in other ways.
but thank you for your suggestion.

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 29 2016, 21:53) *

Resellers resell somewhat above average market price in exchange for the convenience of others being able to buy it any time. That's quite fair IMO.

i'd like to add that they also take all the risks involved with an eventual patch. no one grants them they will even be able to sell that item, letting apart making an actual profit.

QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Nov 29 2016, 22:43) *

You can't always be completely technical and objective when you determine the price.

hey, if you think that all the prices within WTS are put in a rational way you may end up quite bad (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(Nguoivohinh @ Nov 29 2016, 22:43) *

Well there's usually the factor of the "needs" when someone wants to have something. so I'm happy to spend a good amount to buy this from Screm-chan, at a fair enough price to make him happy too.

uhu. a customer satisfied.

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post Nov 30 2016, 01:57
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Speaking of shields, SDE Bucklers for 1h Heavy are nothing more than wannabe Force Shields (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Nov 30 2016, 19:35
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Price check? No one seems to want these in the WTB:

Shark-Mounted Laser
BFG9000
Flame Thrower
Small Nuke

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post Nov 30 2016, 19:54
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Nov 30 2016, 18:35) *

Price check? No one seems to want these in the WTB:

Shark-Mounted Laser
BFG9000
Flame Thrower
Small Nuke

i used to place them at 50k average when i auctioned. they are quite common.
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post Dec 1 2016, 08:23
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Legendary Hallowed Oak Staff of Heimdall

around 50% MDB and really low EDB, disappointing stats but a very desired matching suffix staff. can anyone give me an estimate on this?
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post Dec 1 2016, 08:47
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Legendary Hallowed Oak Staff of Heimdall

around 50% MDB and really low EDB, disappointing stats but a very desired matching suffix staff. can anyone give me an estimate on this?

MDB 63% dan EDB 9% with bad divine proficiency
it could fetch more than 1M , probably (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Legendary Hallowed Oak Staff of Heimdall

around 50% MDB and really low EDB, disappointing stats but a very desired matching suffix staff. can anyone give me an estimate on this?



QUOTE(diivimbio @ Dec 1 2016, 08:47) *

MDB 63% dan EDB 9% with bad divine proficiency
it could fetch more than 1M , probably (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


That being "Holy" and depending on people's needs in auctions, could potentially double or triple the amount.
1-3M.
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post Dec 1 2016, 18:35
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HGC, i guess?
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post Dec 1 2016, 19:10
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 1 2016, 18:35) *

Missing INT and level is >400, I would say yes. At least you'll get some Energy Cells and Scrap Cloth with the High-Grade Cloth.

These days I factor in the cost of few scraps when deciding if I should Bazaar or salvage equipment, especially with equipment that gives High-Grade Metals.
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post Dec 1 2016, 22:07
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Are any of these worth something?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=948fd39a05
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=9ae4c21c25
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7573759897
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=75506a4b77
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0cadb3fe96

The staff looks okay, but I don't know anything about mages and what they want/need...
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post Dec 1 2016, 22:10
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QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Dec 1 2016, 21:07) *

That Frugal Robe should be auctionable (decent prefix, 3 PABs, medium level), everything else is Bazaar/Salvage stuff.
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post Dec 1 2016, 22:11
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QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Dec 1 2016, 21:07) *

you can safely salvage the Staff and the Cottons. probably even the Heimdall, but didn't check rolls.
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