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Then sell that Rap to me Screm-chan, I'll buy it at a good price for u (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

You profiteer, i like that too but i can't just send an offer because i'm poor both in credits and in soul frags right now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

You're right, but also wrong.
It doesn't change that much, but makes the piece not worthy of being forged on ADB over 5 at all.

For example, my 75% ADB Legendary, with upgrade 100 ADB, would be barely better than a Peerless with Lv 75.
Imagine a below zero 0%, probably it would barely surpass the Lv 15 of a peerless (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I have to agree with this. For forging, better rolls do make a difference. For low roll equipment the benefit you get from upgrading gets really small really fast and at least to me it feels wasteful. Of course you don't have to upgrade most equipment/stats over level 5 to play smoothly, but all things added, the higher rolls just end up being worth more. It doesn't only apply to ADB and MDB/EDB too, higher rolls are important for defensive stats like parry, block and evade too.

I think the Rapier will sell for 200-400k in an auction, but that always depends on how many players want such equipment at that moment.

For forging, better rolls do make a difference. For low roll equipment the benefit you get from upgrading gets really small really fast and at least to me it feels wasteful.

With how much every BoS costs, i wouldn't put them in anything but my definitive weapon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

You're right, but also wrong.
It doesn't change that much, but makes the piece not worthy of being forged on ADB over 5 at all.

For example, my 75% ADB Legendary, with upgrade 100 ADB, would be barely better than a Peerless with Lv 75.
Imagine a below zero 0%, probably it would barely surpass the Lv 15 of a peerless (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

"ADB-centric view is one of the things that ruined the market"
But, what should they base estimations of price on? After all ADB is one of the most important things, in a Slaughter weapon.

i still invite both of you to consider that we're probably speaking about 50 ADB difference out of a few ks. i don't really want to take advantage of a newbie's needs (and i guess i already showed it), but if one mid-level has the luxury to think that a (decent) Rapier with a really good IW is only 33% range while it's already hard enough to find an item at that level, uh... then we experts are the first ones that are teaching something bad and should feel really bad. optimization should come only after your needs are satisfied.
but i guess my words may be misinterpreted a bit here, since this time i'm also a seller...

"is worth like a drunk's song"
Lol (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) , i've never heard this common saying.

in my local language is even better, but i doubt many people here would understand it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I don't know but i'm buying it!
(i mean: "i don't know what prize to give, the rolls don't look great and frugal is not looked out for, but send it to an auction, worse case scenario i'll buy it, since i'm looking for frugal pieces).

what are you saying? it's 92% EDB! if this is not a decent roll in a ADB/EDB market, then i don't really know what it could be (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Then sell that Rap to me Screm-chan, I'll buy it at a good price for u (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

make me an offer. i'm finishing IWing it (still 3 runs required and i'm a bit slow, so a few hours may be needed) but potencies have already been decided, only thing that will be added is Hollowforged. feel free to post here, if you want.

With how much every BoS costs, i wouldn't put them in anything but my definitive weapon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

You can get 90% back from salvaging but that's not the point.

The point is that for the same result you should spend 90 BoS on a low WD rapier while 15 on an higher WD one would be way cheaper.

And I know, you can get back 81 from the first yeah, but you spent money before in the first place (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Rapier with a really good IW is only 33% range while it's already hard enough to find an item at that level, uh..

33% range of Mag is Exquisite range...I can bet a low level can find a EMax Exquisite with STR and DEX very easily, and more easily IW it.

Since we're talking about transition pieces, not only upgrades matter less, but also potencies (besides fatality).

I'm not saying it's not good to buy for a low level.

But as an ex low level, I refused at the time to spend 300-800k on rapiers that got sold anyway after a bit, and went on with my exquisite bought for almighty 4k from bazaar, forged to 5 with wispy catalysts and low grades, and IWed on my own for free while getting experience from it.

Choices.

This post has been edited by ppp82p: Nov 29 2016, 19:33

in my local language is even better, but i doubt many people here would understand it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Io forse lo capisco, spara, sono troppo incuriosito (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

You profiteer, i like that too but i can't just send an offer because i'm poor both in credits and in soul frags right now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

worry not, if i don't like his offer it will still be auctioned (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

I have to agree with this. For forging, better rolls do make a difference. For low roll equipment the benefit you get from upgrading gets really small really fast and at least to me it feels wasteful. Of course you don't have to upgrade most equipment/stats over level 5 to play smoothly, but all things added, the higher rolls just end up being worth more. It doesn't only apply to ADB and MDB/EDB too, higher rolls are important for defensive stats like parry, block and evade too.

of course. but throw the 33% increase of a single piece in the whole build. if the boost would apply to the whole build i'd be the first to support such view. but this way, uh... i did math a few days ago, take a Lmin vs. Lmax ADB Leg Shade Gauntlets and i found that ADB spread was 60 ADB when forged lv5 and at lv500. are you really telling me that a lv500 cares about 60 ADB? it's already 0.75% for me, letting apart for such a higherup. but market says that one of those has 6% ADB, so it's basically worthless - in a sector where there isn't enough pieces to begin with, like Leg Savage Shadowdancer. such low ADB was enough to allow me to buy it for 50k. but still a Leg Savage Shadowdancer (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I think the Rapier will sell for 200-400k in an auction, but that always depends on how many players want such equipment at that moment.

no similar-level Rapier on Super's auction this week, this is why i'm speaking about that

With how much every BoS costs, i wouldn't put them in anything but my definitive weapon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

i found an almost-definitive one (at least for my needs), but i can assure you that past lv11 the increase in ADB is so low that i'll stop sinking bindings anyways.

worry not, if i don't like his offer it will still be auctioned (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

Why not just let em fight it out in the auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Why not just let em fight it out in the auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

If his offer is big, why not accept it now.

PS: i can't fight anyone with credits right now lol, too poor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Edit:
I just took a look at Super next auction preview, and i saw a Legendary Mithril Buckler of the Barrier lv 497, with peerless Block (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
What price will something like that maybe reach? Just curious.

This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Nov 29 2016, 19:49

33% range of Mag is Exquisite range...I can bet a low level can find a EMax Exquisite with STR and DEX very easily, and more easily IW it.

Since we're talking about transition pieces, not only upgrades matter less, but also potencies (besides fatality).

I'm not saying it's not good to buy for a low level.

But as an ex low level, I refused at the time to spend 300-800k on rapiers that got sold anyway after a bit, and went on with my exquisite bought for almighty 4k from bazaar, forged to 5 with wispy catalysts and low grades, and IWed on my own for free while getting experience from it.

like i did. i replaced my no-STR Mag Ethereal Rapier only a handful of levels ago (last month, perhaps?) and i forged it quite a bit, and IWed myself too. it was still usable, btw. but i felt like switching it - mostly for DW style. 1H is so broken that doesn't really need high qualities to be playable.
i understand (and share!) such a view. but this doesn't mean i wouldn't have considered such an enduring piece if it popped out at the right moment. clearly, not at 5M+ but at a more reasonable price, but i know you understand what i'm trying to say. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

If I hadn't just bought a level 381 rapier yesterday and soulbound it I would have fought for that in the auction.

You profiteer, i like that too but i can't just send an offer because i'm poor both in credits and in soul frags right now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I'm buying it to use myself (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

make me an offer. i'm finishing IWing it (still 3 runs required and i'm a bit slow, so a few hours may be needed) but potencies have already been decided, only thing that will be added is Hollowforged. feel free to post here, if you want.

Sent you an offer (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I'm buying it to use myself (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Yeah i know, i just meant to say opportunist jokingly (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Why not just let em fight it out in the auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

come on, i know you are waiting for that too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Sent you an offer (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

uhu. read it.

Yeah i know, i just meant to say opportunist jokingly (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

you know, if i sell an item it means that i, the seller, agreed to such terms. and once the item isn't in my hands anymore, i cannot say anything anymore. btw, this is also latanium's view, if someone is wondering why certain people are still allowed to bid in his auctions.
personally i only mind that low-levels aren't scammed. then, if someone is able to make a profit out of something that i sold, well - i guess it's my bad since i didn't put the proper price on that.

Why not just let em fight it out in the auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

i don't like slow deaths. it happened to me quite a few times as well, so now i try to avoid it - at least for newbies. and now that i think about it, a certain reseller may come like a vulture. i prefer to lose a few credits now rather than seeing a newbie scammed so hard in the future.

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Nov 29 2016, 20:06

come on, i know you are waiting for that too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Oh I already have a mag rapier of slaughter that was offered to me during the time I mentioned my crappy weap drops a month (or two) ago (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

i don't like slow deaths. it happened to me quite a few times as well, so now i try to avoid it - at least for newbies. and now that i think about it, a certain reseller may come like a vulture. i prefer to lose a few credits now rather than seeing a newbie scammed so hard in the future.

Ah I forgot about resellers. Only had lowbies in mind when I thought about bid wars on lowbie stuff (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I just took a look at Super next auction preview, and i saw a Legendary Mithril Buckler of the Barrier lv 497, with peerless Block (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
What price will something like that maybe reach? Just curious.

I would guess something between 3-5M, like the last 37%+ block Buckler of the Barrier with SDE PAB. It could go higher if some rich player wants it, but most likely not over 10M. Also no one knows what the Peerless Buckler of the Barrier block is, there hasn't been one yet. I used to think it won't be much more than 37.2%, but seems like it can go above that (maybe 37.25%?).

It's a nice equipment piece, I could have bid on it myself, but my current Buckler is good enough for me.

price check here too, please: IW9 Mag Demonic Rapier of Slaughter

>400k

on the other hand, what about this one? dropped while i was IWing the rapier: Legendary Frugal Phase Cap of Freyr

500k-1M

u should make a startbid for the auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

This post has been edited by tsunadebusty: Nov 29 2016, 20:51

u should make a startbid for the auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

i was wondering that myself. well, i'll ask latanium

I would guess something between 3-5M, like the last 37%+ block Buckler of the Barrier with SDE PAB. It could go higher if some rich player wants it, but most likely not over 10M. Also no one knows what the Peerless Buckler of the Barrier block is, there hasn't been one yet. I used to think it won't be much more than 37.2%, but seems like it can go above that (maybe 37.25%?).

It's a nice equipment piece, I could have bid on it myself, but my current Buckler is good enough for me.

It can surely go above 37.2, at least to 37.25% since that Shield has that Block value, it's the new record.

Still yours is already great and greatly forged, so it's definitely not use changing it (Reinforced prefix is better, too).

This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Nov 29 2016, 21:10