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Ya'll better get used to Hito giving out advice since it'll be no time before he crushes even me in level.

Weaken and poison? You cannot have the MP to get very far in the Arena implementing that strategy...

I only have 100MP, but weaken and poison only take 5 each.

Poison is pretty efficent given the HP it takes over time, and I can build my Overcharge on one monster while poison is killing others. Weaken is a must of course.

I just spam the fire AoE. Taking out the slimes and stuff first its pretty useful, and then use magic miss for anything left. Sure does kain my mana a fair bit, but it helps when fighting 4 or more mobs at once. Sucks when fighting a RHamster or Firefox though.

I only have 100MP, but weaken and poison only take 5 each.

Poison is pretty efficent given the HP it takes over time, and I can build my Overcharge on one monster while poison is killing others. Weaken is a must of course.

I have 136 MP and they cost 7 each. That is with 15 MP tanks. Something seems wrong about this...

I have 136 MP and they cost 7 each. That is with 15 MP tanks. Something seems wrong about this...

No it's all ok.

The more you increase your level the more the spells cost the more they're effective.

No it's all ok.

The more you increase your level the more the spells cost the more they're effective.

I understand that. The issue I have is that I have 15 MP tanks, so I should be able to cast spells more times than someone else. If his 100 MP figure is correct (he could have been throwing out an approximation), he can cast those two spells more times (20) than me (19). Maybe he has thrown a disproportionate amount of EXP into increasing INT and WIS as compared to my balanced build, so that could account for the issue. If not...

I understand that. The issue I have is that I have 15 MP tanks, so I should be able to cast spells more times than someone else. If his 100 MP figure is correct (he could have been throwing out an approximation), he can cast those two spells more times (20) than me (19). Maybe he has thrown a disproportionate amount of EXP into increasing INT and WIS as compared to my balanced build, so that could account for the issue. If not...

I'm for the bold part.



No items:

3 8 You have been defeated.
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0 7 Spawned Monster F: MID=5 (Giant Panda) LV=44 HP=339 MP=87 SP=22 NA=96 Type=hostile
0 6 Spawned Monster E: MID=3 (Mantitcore) LV=44 HP=344 MP=96 SP=22 NA=95 Type=hostile
0 5 Spawned Monster D: MID=8 (Rabid Hamster) LV=42 HP=326 MP=100 SP=24 NA=96 Type=hostile
0 4 Spawned Monster C: MID=26 (Amphibious Sperm Whale) LV=45 HP=392 MP=84 SP=24 NA=93 Type=hostile
0 3 Spawned Monster B: MID=6 (Fire Fox) LV=43 HP=347 MP=94 SP=24 NA=95 Type=hostile
0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=9 (Cookie Monster) LV=41 HP=314 MP=98 SP=22 NA=96 Type=hostile
0 1 Initializing Grindfest (Round 9) ...
0 0 Battle Start!

This post has been edited by bbgr: May 27 2009, 19:17

I understand that. The issue I have is that I have 15 MP tanks, so I should be able to cast spells more times than someone else. If his 100 MP figure is correct (he could have been throwing out an approximation), he can cast those two spells more times (20) than me (19). Maybe he has thrown a disproportionate amount of EXP into increasing INT and WIS as compared to my balanced build, so that could account for the issue. If not...

It's 100 on the nose

I have 12 Magic tanks

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S 30
D 25
A 27
E 25
I 33
W 31

I dunno what it changes buy my profficency is 15.23

This post has been edited by nick321: May 27 2009, 22:27

No items on cake

2 8 You have escaped from the battle.
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0 6 Spawned Monster E: MID=26 (Amphibious Sperm Whale) LV=43 HP=376 MP=81 SP=23 NA=93 Type=hostile
0 5 Spawned Monster D: MID=8 (Rabid Hamster) LV=44 HP=339 MP=104 SP=25 NA=96 Type=hostile
0 4 Spawned Monster C: MID=25 (Mutant Peacock) LV=44 HP=384 MP=82 SP=23 NA=93 Type=hostile
0 3 Spawned Monster B: MID=2 (Tentacle Monster) LV=43 HP=334 MP=102 SP=25 NA=96 Type=hostile
0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=4 (Cockatrice) LV=43 HP=324 MP=81 SP=18 NA=96 Type=hostile
0 1 Initializing Grindfest (Round 10) ...
0 0 Battle Start!

It's 100 on the nose

I have 12 Magic tanks

&

S 30
D 25
A 27
E 25
I 33
W 31

I dunno what it changes buy my profficency is 15.23

The twelve tanks makes me feel a little better, as does the disparity in stats, but not enough. Three ability points in MP Tank and 8/10 (Int/Wis) attribute levels should allow me to cast MORE spells not roughly the same. I'm putting points and experience towards staying even, and that does not seem right.

I would suggest that the calculation for spell cost increase be re-done, but unless done perfectly, that would swing things too far in favor of magic users. Hopefully Tenboro will work things out...

As for proficiency, mine is 28.29 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by Boggyb: May 27 2009, 23:34

The twelve tanks makes me feel a little better, as does the disparity in stats, but not enough. Three ability points in MP Tank and 8/10 (Int/Wis) attribute levels should allow me to cast MORE spells not roughly the same. I'm putting points and experience towards staying even, and that does not seem right.

I would suggest that the calculation for spell cost increase be re-done, but unless done perfectly, that would swing things too far in favor of magic users. Hopefully Tenboro will work things out...

As for proficiency, mine is 28.29 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It was redone, and it's scaling is fine. He has slightly more magic-centric stats than you which makes his tanks count for more, three additional magic tanks won't make you god.

It was redone, and it's scaling is fine. He has slightly more magic-centric stats than you which makes his tanks count for more, three additional magic tanks won't make you god.

But I want to be God...
Anyway, we are talking about a +9% difference in MP...
Unless the scaling system is more complicated than I think, I'm fairly certain that one can eventually get ahead of the curve with time and lot of levels, but it is brutal at the lower levels. A jump in a spell cost from 5 to 6 is much larger of a change than from 10 to 11.
I can imagine instances when such a jump would reduce the amount of spells you can cast rather than keep the number relatively constant...

This post has been edited by Boggyb: May 28 2009, 00:49

I think not since Silence is on the Lv.70 tier.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) . Need I Say more...

But I want to be God...

Me too ... oh wait ... I am God ... ... ... ... damnit, I've having delusions of grandeur again ... I think it has to do something with the sleep deprivation ... 3-4 hours a day might not be enough

This post has been edited by Awing01: May 28 2009, 02:59

17 3 You have been defeated.
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0 8 Spawned Monster G: MID=7 (Scary Ghost) LV=18 HP=181 MP=38 SP=9 NA=97 Type=hostile
0 7 Spawned Monster F: MID=4 (Cockatrice) LV=16 HP=140 MP=35 SP=6 NA=99 Type=hostile
0 6 Spawned Monster E: MID=6 (Fire Fox) LV=18 HP=163 MP=44 SP=10 NA=98 Type=hostile
0 5 Spawned Monster D: MID=10 (Blue Slime) LV=20 HP=171 MP=46 SP=10 NA=98 Type=hostile
0 4 Spawned Monster C: MID=3 (Mantitcore) LV=20 HP=174 MP=48 SP=10 NA=98 Type=hostile
0 3 Spawned Monster B: MID=2 (Tentacle Monster) LV=15 HP=136 MP=41 SP=8 NA=99 Type=hostile
0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=26 (Amphibious Sperm Whale) LV=17 HP=168 MP=36 SP=9 NA=98 Type=hostile
0 1 Initializing Grindfest (Round 17) ...

Lot's of little hits makes for one heck of a total hit, I need shield not weaken　(゜Д゜) Anyways this was done on cake, and no I don't have weaken yet took hp tanks first.

17 3 You have been defeated.
...
0 8 Spawned Monster G: MID=7 (Scary Ghost) LV=18 HP=181 MP=38 SP=9 NA=97 Type=hostile
0 7 Spawned Monster F: MID=4 (Cockatrice) LV=16 HP=140 MP=35 SP=6 NA=99 Type=hostile
0 6 Spawned Monster E: MID=6 (Fire Fox) LV=18 HP=163 MP=44 SP=10 NA=98 Type=hostile
0 5 Spawned Monster D: MID=10 (Blue Slime) LV=20 HP=171 MP=46 SP=10 NA=98 Type=hostile
0 4 Spawned Monster C: MID=3 (Mantitcore) LV=20 HP=174 MP=48 SP=10 NA=98 Type=hostile
0 3 Spawned Monster B: MID=2 (Tentacle Monster) LV=15 HP=136 MP=41 SP=8 NA=99 Type=hostile
0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=26 (Amphibious Sperm Whale) LV=17 HP=168 MP=36 SP=9 NA=98 Type=hostile
0 1 Initializing Grindfest (Round 17) ...

Lot's of little hits makes for one heck of a total hit, I need shield not weaken　(゜Д゜) Anyways this was done on cake, and no I don't have weaken yet took hp tanks first.

As for strategies for full warriors and even mages I presume, what I suggest is going for the fastest but most potent kills first, e.g. Level 20 Rabid Hamster is better to kill than a Level 18 Amphibious Sperm Whale. However, bosses are always a priority as some of them can do A LOT more damage than the rest of the mob. In any case let me point out things to look for:

• What's the monster that will hit you for more with their spells. How much mana they have left.
• How often you might miss that enemy, though it might be based on luck there are some you might miss more.
• How much damage that monster can take.

Best way would be to kill the weakest, but if you know there's an enemy that can hurt you a lot and it's mana bar is still not depleted, kill that first, the weaker monsters will not hurt you as much anyways.

This post has been edited by Ido013: May 28 2009, 05:39

This may sound dumb but what is the percent/damage increase of poison when it is increased per level? Unlike the flame tongues skill, the poison skill doesn't give an indicator.
Also I've tested poison magic over a variety of monsters and it seems that all monsters have the same resistance to it, but they gain more resistance to it as their level increases. (Level 1 poison on lvl 10 blue slime = 10 damage per turn. Level 1 poison on level 15 blue slime = 8 damage per turn).

As for strategies for full warriors and even mages I presume, what I suggest is going for the fastest but most potent kills first, e.g. Level 20 Rabid Hamster is better to kill than a Level 18 Amphibious Sperm Whale. However, bosses are always a priority as some of them can do A LOT more damage than the rest of the mob. In any case let me point out things to look for:

• What's the monster that will hit you for more with their spells. How much mana they have left.
• How often you might miss that enemy, though it might be based on luck there are some you might miss more.
• How much damage that monster can take.

Best way would be to kill the weakest, but if you know there's an enemy that can hurt you a lot and it's mana bar is still not depleted, kill that first, the weaker monsters will not hurt you as much anyways.

This is where having weaken completely changes the strategy. In that case, you want to weaken everyone then kill the mob before hitting the boss because you waste less MP keeping everyone weakened. You also build up your overcharge on the hordes and can possibly finish the boss with a one-hit full blast.
The strategy works wonders. There is a reason pretty much everyone suggests getting weaken immediately.

Am I the only one who stacks shield and weaken? I feel that shield does not give me the same punch that weaken does. I know some of that is due to the disparity in proficiencies (29.39 vs. 10.32), so I hope things get better with time, but it currently seems like I am wasting MP on a spell that runs out quicker and gives me less results. Any thoughts from someone else over level 40?

It was redone, and it's scaling is fine. He has slightly more magic-centric stats than you which makes his tanks count for more, three additional magic tanks won't make you god.

It makes me cooler too

Anyway, we are talking about a +9% difference in MP..

Question: is it a +9% difference, or is it (+(3%) * +3%) * +3%) difference? Meaning, is it precisely 109% greater, or is it 109.27% greater? While the variation is small, it makes a reasonable difference once you've filled up a dozen tanks. I've been wondering about this for a while; I did my own quick n' dirty calculator in GTK+ since Sonic's doesn't run on *nix platforms, but I haven't added tanks/power/etc to it yet, partly out of laziness and partly because of this question (and the other "how does it round" questions).

I did my own quick n' dirty calculator in GTK+ since Sonic's doesn't run on *nix platforms

Care to share?

Closest arena battle I've had. Almost lost another 1000 credits. For all that effort and items wasted, I get a f**king lesser spirit potion as a clear bonus. The battle log for those interested in how much this sucked.

24 6 You gain 1221 Credits!
24 5 You gain 156.68 EXP!
24 4 Arena Clear Bonus! Received [Lesser Spirit Potion]
24 3 You are Victorious!
24 2 Amphibious Sperm Whale has been defeated.
24 1 You hit Amphibious Sperm Whale for 93 physical damage.
23 2 Amphibious Sperm Whale crits you for 9 damage.
23 1 You hit Amphibious Sperm Whale for 66 physical damage.
22 2 You dodge the attack from Amphibious Sperm Whale.
22 1 You hit Amphibious Sperm Whale for 65 physical damage.
21 3 Amphibious Sperm Whale hits you for 8 damage.
21 2 Fireball hits Amphibious Sperm Whale for 173 fire damage.
21 1 You cast Fireball.
20 3 You dodge the attack from Amphibious Sperm Whale.
20 2 Cookie Monster has been defeated.
20 1 You hit Cookie Monster for 92 physical damage.
19 3 Cookie Monster hits you for 7 damage.
19 2 You dodge the attack from Amphibious Sperm Whale.
19 1 You hit Cookie Monster for 78 physical damage.
18 3 Cookie Monster hits you for 5 damage.
18 2 Weaken procs the effect Weakened on Amphibious Sperm Whale.
18 1 You cast Weaken.
17 4 Amphibious Sperm Whale hits you for 10 damage.
17 3 Effect Weakened on Amphibious Sperm Whale has expired.
17 2 Cookie Monster hits you for 6 damage.
17 1 Cookie Monster dodges your attack.
16 3 Amphibious Sperm Whale hits you for 9 damage.
16 2 Cookie Monster hits you for 5 damage.
16 1 You hit Cookie Monster for 90 physical damage.
15 6 Amphibious Sperm Whale hits you for 5 damage.
15 5 Cookie Monster hits you for 4 damage.
15 4 Amphibious Sperm Whale hits you for 3 damage.
15 3 Fireball hits Cookie Monster for 133 fire damage.
15 2 You cast Fireball.
15 1 You gain 0.01 points of elemental magic proficiency.
14 4 You dodge the attack from Cookie Monster.
14 3 Amphibious Sperm Whale hits you for 3 damage.
14 2 Tentacle Monster has been defeated.
14 1 You hit Tentacle Monster for 67 physical damage.
13 4 Tentacle Monster hits you for 9 damage.
13 3 You dodge the attack from Cookie Monster.
13 2 Amphibious Sperm Whale hits you for 4 damage.
13 1 You hit Tentacle Monster for 68 physical damage.
12 5 Tentacle Monster hits you for 6 damage.
12 4 You dodge the attack from Cookie Monster.
12 3 Amphibious Sperm Whale hits you for 9 damage.
12 2 Fireball hits Tentacle Monster for 222 fire damage.
12 1 You cast Fireball.
11 8 Tentacle Monster hits you for 5 damage.
11 7 Cookie Monster hits you for 6 damage.
11 6 Amphibious Sperm Whale hits you for 3 damage.
11 5 Giant Panda has been defeated.
11 4 Fireball procs the effect Searing Skin on Giant Panda.
11 3 Fireball blasts Giant Panda for 361 fire damage.
11 2 You cast Fireball.
11 1 You gain 0.01 points of elemental magic proficiency.
10 8 Tentacle Monster crits you for 9 damage.
10 7 You dodge the attack from Cookie Monster.
10 6 Giant Panda hits you for 5 damage.
10 5 Amphibious Sperm Whale hits you for 3 damage.
10 4 Zombie Cow has been defeated.
10 3 You hit Zombie Cow for 54 physical damage.
10 2 Effect Regeneration on yourself has expired.
10 1 Regeneration restores you with 29 points of health.
9 7 You dodge the attack from Tentacle Monster.
9 6 Giant Panda hits you for 5 damage.
9 5 Cookie Monster hits you for 4 damage.
9 4 You dodge the attack from Amphibious Sperm Whale.
9 3 You dodge the attack from Zombie Cow.
9 2 You hit Zombie Cow for 41 physical damage.
9 1 Regeneration restores you with 29 points of health.
8 8 You dodge the attack from Tentacle Monster.
8 7 Tentacle Monster uses Horrible Rape
8 6 You dodge the attack from Giant Panda.
8 5 Cookie Monster hits you for 9 damage.
8 4 Amphibious Sperm Whale crits you for 7 damage.
8 3 You dodge the attack from Zombie Cow.
8 2 Zombie Cow dodges your attack.
8 1 Regeneration restores you with 29 points of health.
7 8 You dodge the attack from Tentacle Monster.
7 7 You dodge the attack from Giant Panda.
7 6 Cookie Monster hits you for 5 damage.
7 5 Amphibious Sperm Whale hits you for 8 damage.
7 4 You dodge the attack from Zombie Cow.
7 3 You hit Zombie Cow for 59 physical damage.
7 2 Effect Shield on yourself has expired.
7 1 Regeneration restores you with 29 points of health.
6 8 Tentacle Monster hits you for 5 damage.
6 7 Giant Panda hits you for 7 damage.
6 6 Cookie Monster hits you for 6 damage.
6 5 Amphibious Sperm Whale hits you for 7 damage.
6 4 Zombie Cow hits you for 8 damage.
6 3 Weaken procs the effect Weakened on Cookie Monster.
6 2 You cast Weaken.
6 1 Regeneration restores you with 29 points of health.
5 9 You dodge the attack from Tentacle Monster.
5 8 You dodge the attack from Giant Panda.
5 7 Cookie Monster crits you for 35 damage.
5 6 You dodge the attack from Amphibious Sperm Whale.
5 5 Amphibious Sperm Whale uses Bukkake
5 4 Zombie Cow crits you for 7 damage.
5 3 Weaken procs the effect Weakened on Giant Panda.
5 2 You cast Weaken.
5 1 Regeneration restores you with 29 points of health.
4 3 Weaken procs the effect Weakened on Tentacle Monster.
4 2 You cast Weaken.
4 1 Regeneration restores you with 29 points of health.
3 9 You dodge the attack from Tentacle Monster.
3 8 Giant Panda hits you for 29 damage.
3 7 Cookie Monster hits you for 20 damage.
3 6 Amphibious Sperm Whale hits you for 5 damage.
3 5 Zombie Cow hits you for 8 damage.
3 4 Weaken procs the effect Weakened on Amphibious Sperm Whale.
3 3 You cast Weaken.
3 2 You gain 0.02 points of deprecating magic proficiency.
3 1 Regeneration restores you with 29 points of health.
2 11 Tentacle Monster hits you for 14 damage.
2 10 Bamboo Attack hits you for 38 physical damage.
2 9 Giant Panda uses Bamboo Attack
2 8 Cookie Cutter hits you for 32 physical damage.
2 7 Cookie Monster uses Cookie Cutter
2 6 Amphibious Sperm Whale hits you for 21 damage.
2 5 Moo hits you for 59 wind damage.
2 4 Zombie Cow uses Moo
2 3 Weaken procs the effect Weakened on Zombie Cow.
2 2 You cast Weaken.
2 1 Regeneration restores you with 29 points of health.
1 11 Horrible Rape crits you for 37 dark damage.
1 10 Tentacle Monster uses Horrible Rape
1 9 Giant Panda hits you for 20 damage.
1 8 Cookie Cutter hits you for 23 physical damage.
1 7 Cookie Monster uses Cookie Cutter
1 6 Bukkake hits you for 19 unspecified damage.
1 5 Amphibious Sperm Whale uses Bukkake
1 4 Moo hits you for 60 wind damage.
1 3 Zombie Cow uses Moo
1 2 You unleash T3h_H@x02 on Zombie Cow for 662 unspecified damage.
1 1 Regeneration restores you with 29 points of health.
0 6 Spawned Monster E: MID=11 (Zombie Cow) LV=34 HP=790 MP=76 SP=21 NA=94 Type=hostile
0 5 Spawned Monster D: MID=5 (Giant Panda) LV=36 HP=356 MP=72 SP=18 NA=96 Type=hostile
0 4 Spawned Monster C: MID=26 (Amphibious Sperm Whale) LV=33 HP=370 MP=64 SP=18 NA=95 Type=hostile
0 3 Spawned Monster B: MID=9 (Cookie Monster) LV=38 HP=368 MP=91 SP=21 NA=96 Type=hostile
0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=2 (Tentacle Monster) LV=33 HP=330 MP=80 SP=19 NA=97 Type=hostile
0 1 Initializing arena challenge #7 (Round 5 / 5) ...
0 0 Battle Start!

This post has been edited by Awing01: May 28 2009, 08:57