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Apr 17 2009, 04:43
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Forth_Lancer
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it's nice to have the power boosted but will it affecting the power for expunging or tagging the galleries? though the power for it is limited i'm afraid this will increase the power abuse from some "unknown" members.
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Apr 17 2009, 04:52
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Ido013
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Apr 16 2009, 15:50)  - You now gain 1 base point every 3 levels, up from 1 point every 5 levels
- You now gain 10 base points per year since you registered, up from 5 points per year
- You now gain 1 base point every 500 posts, up from 1 point every 1000 posts
[edit] What are the points? Also what's the difference with base points and points? QUOTE(Tenboro @ Apr 16 2009, 15:50)  - Power bonuses from primary auras have been reduced somewhat, as they provide new bonuses in the HentaiVerse
Interested in knowing what the changes are. I took my aura specifically for the exp and power boost (つД`) QUOTE(Tenboro @ Apr 16 2009, 15:50)  Regarding the increase in maximum power, there are a few related changes to how the karma system works.
Needs more info when it's possible. QUOTE(Tenboro @ Apr 16 2009, 15:50)  - Maximum strength for a single karma imbuement has been set at 1000
Does that include training and hath perks bonuses? This post has been edited by Ido013: Apr 17 2009, 04:58
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Apr 17 2009, 05:03
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Ebil☆Panda
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QUOTE(Ido013 @ Apr 16 2009, 22:52)  Does that include training and hath perks bonuses?
no, there's still a bonus on top of the 1k
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Apr 17 2009, 05:23
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Msgr. Radixius
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Karma is fucking broken. Just revert back to when it was actually balanced, but keep the 9999 cap. This fear of negative karma comes from a misconception that it apparently affects you more than positive karma. But I think that's all psychological bullshit. I'm pretty sure the ratios have stayed the same since inception, but this nerf to negative karma is dickbutt, if someone is a brazen retard in rapid succession, and we can't nuke them for two weeks even though they're being an offensive shitbagger, either literally or figuratively, shouldn't we be able to fuck their worlds asunder for it? Conversely, I don't think this karma exhaustion holds the same weight. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but the karma whores and the Señor Complaneypants really broke the system early and now it's inherently fucked, it's not a rating system for a user, it's a giant number race. I'm not entirely certain this is its intention. Especially with the fact that a user can delete 10% of their negative karma for random X reason. This post has been edited by radixius: Apr 17 2009, 05:30
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Apr 17 2009, 05:31
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cptkleenex
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The karma system on the whole is a good idea for a site pending it's proper use. But much of what has been stated about it being flawed is true. The fact that karma isn't given to someone deserving of it per se and is instead handed out if you post in a thread and ask for it. The other thing is all the bitching that comes with it. I give coco K- because she is an absolute fucking retard and she sends PM's to everybody and their grandmother begging for K+ cause I'm being naughty. Then there's all the "baww my power isn't as high as it should and I don't want to see others get near me" that we see to the point of nausea.
Just call this a rant but the way I figure any changes that get made to make karma actually mean a damn is all that matters to me.
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Apr 17 2009, 05:52
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Msgr. Radixius
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I'm almost willing to bet money that we're in the minority, though, Cap'n K. People don't want things changed because they'll lose all familiarity. Realistically, the karma system won't be fixed unless there's a huge wipe of it and it starts from scratch.
Which I would 100% be for.
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Apr 17 2009, 06:11
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cptkleenex
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QUOTE(radixius @ Apr 16 2009, 22:52)  Which I would 100% be for.
For the good of the system or to watch the absolute bedlam that ensues from it?
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Apr 17 2009, 06:12
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Msgr. Radixius
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Can't it be both?
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Apr 17 2009, 06:42
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noahbody
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I Agree with thoughts expressed above. Am I the only one who thinks that pretty soon, much like "Atonement", there will be something that decreases this karma exhaustion percentage?
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Apr 17 2009, 06:55
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Beryl
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It would be a good credit sink.
But now with the HV system, we don't need any more of those.
Truthfully, the current karma system is extremely imbalanced. Karma Amplifier should amp both positive AND negative karma. Considering that it doesn't, I don't really see a reason to put such an amazing cap on -k and such a small one, by comparison, on +k.
Why not do the same thing to -k as is done with +k. The law of diminishing returns should apply to both, not just +k. Then, removing the 2 week limit and going back to the 3 day should be fine.
I understand that these numbers don't mean anything, and the reason that -k was limited so hard is so members wouldn't be upset and complain about red, but by doing this, it doesn't make everyone feel warm and fuzzy, it puts the forum in a state of chaos where people feel they are being good members by getting undeserved +k and decide they can be senseless morons without repercussions.
I am in favor of: A ) Truly balancing the system B ) Hiding the red and green numbers (tried this for a while) or C ) Removing the Karma system altogether.
I was a member before the karma system was put in place, and if it leaves, I will still remain a member. I'm sure most of the forum feels the same way.
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Apr 17 2009, 07:14
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Nayr
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I vote to abolish karmic exhaustion completely.
Nobody was complaining about it the way it was before.
And if half the time you cant imbue somebody without having your imbue reduced almost or over half because you imbue that someone frequently what is the point of raising your power?
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Apr 17 2009, 07:17
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Ebil☆Panda
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*as per request, backs up*
*does it right*
This post has been edited by Ebil☆Panda: Apr 17 2009, 07:19
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Apr 17 2009, 07:19
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masquepiph
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QUOTE(Nayr L. Rosfar @ Apr 16 2009, 23:14)  I vote to abolish karmic exhaustion completely.
Nobody was complaining about it the way it was before.
And if half the time you cant imbue somebody without having your imbue reduced almost or over half because you imbue that someone frequently what is the point of raising your power?
I've got to admit, I feel a bit cheated when I hit someone for 455 and after karma amp it ends up being 380ish. Especially since it was my first time hitting someone with that much.
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Apr 17 2009, 07:22
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Beryl
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Nevermind. Forget it
This post has been edited by BunBun: Apr 17 2009, 07:22
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Apr 17 2009, 07:23
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masquepiph
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QUOTE(BunBun @ Apr 16 2009, 23:22)  Nevermind. Forget it
Can't do that. Now we really wanna know what you said! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Apr 17 2009, 07:24
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Apr 17 2009, 07:33
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NoNameNoBlame
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QUOTE(radixius @ Apr 17 2009, 05:23)  Karma is fucking broken. Just revert back to when it was actually balanced, but keep the 9999 cap. This fear of negative karma comes from a misconception that it apparently affects you more than positive karma. But I think that's all psychological bullshit. I'm pretty sure the ratios have stayed the same since inception, but this nerf to negative karma is dickbutt, if someone is a brazen retard in rapid succession, and we can't nuke them for two weeks even though they're being an offensive shitbagger, either literally or figuratively, shouldn't we be able to fuck their worlds asunder for it? Conversely, I don't think this karma exhaustion holds the same weight. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but the karma whores and the Señor Complaneypants really broke the system early and now it's inherently fucked, it's not a rating system for a user, it's a giant number race. I'm not entirely certain this is its intention. Especially with the fact that a user can delete 10% of their negative karma for random X reason. QUOTE(cptkleenex @ Apr 17 2009, 05:31)  The karma system on the whole is a good idea for a site pending it's proper use. But much of what has been stated about it being flawed is true. The fact that karma isn't given to someone deserving of it per se and is instead handed out if you post in a thread and ask for it. The other thing is all the bitching that comes with it. I give coco K- because she is an absolute fucking retard and she sends PM's to everybody and their grandmother begging for K+ cause I'm being naughty. Then there's all the "baww my power isn't as high as it should and I don't want to see others get near me" that we see to the point of nausea.
Just call this a rant but the way I figure any changes that get made to make karma actually mean a damn is all that matters to me. I agree 100 % with the above posts. And don't forget about the Karma Shield. It's an excellent skill to train for assholes, since no one will give you the -K you deserve when a big part of it will be reflected. Increasing the KS potential to 50 % was a very bad move, it should rather be removed altogether. Bad users should get what's coming to them. I also like the idea about Karma Amplification being a double-edged sword. QUOTE(Nayr L. Rosfar @ Apr 17 2009, 07:14)  I vote to abolish karmic exhaustion completely.
Nobody was complaining about it the way it was before.
And if half the time you cant imbue somebody without having your imbue reduced almost or over half because you imbue that someone frequently what is the point of raising your power? I was silently complaining. Exhaustion is great for stopping the circle jerking some users were engaged in. And if you raise your power, you'll be able to give more Karma, I don't see your point.
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Apr 17 2009, 07:36
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One Sin
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QUOTE(3d0xp0xy @ Apr 16 2009, 22:33)  Exhaustion is great for stopping the circle jerking some users were engaged in. Assuming we're talking about the same users, -K works worked just as well.
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Apr 17 2009, 07:39
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NoNameNoBlame
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QUOTE(One Sin @ Apr 17 2009, 07:36)  Assuming we're talking about the same users, -K works worked just as well. I'm just assuming exhaustion work for -K as well. Also, QUOTE(radixius @ Apr 17 2009, 05:23)  Karma is fucking broken.
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Apr 17 2009, 07:41
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Blutkaefer
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Whether karma stays or not really doesn't matter much to me. I'm still relatively new, so I haven't had much time to become a well-known member yet, for either good or bad reasons. What I've learned about karma though, is that all it is is what other people think of you. Take Ravo-blahblah for example. After most of the high powered people started bombing him, he got all whiny and started asking people to bomb him deliberately. He basically was asking people to hate him, which most of us were more than willing to do.
In short, karma means little to nothing, and if you take it seriously, well then I've got nothing for you.
Also, extra power is nice. Yay +4!
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Apr 17 2009, 07:42
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Nayr
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QUOTE(3d0xp0xy @ Apr 17 2009, 01:33)  I was silently complaining. Exhaustion is great for stopping the circle jerking some users were engaged in. And if you raise your power, you'll be able to give more Karma, I don't see your point.
Do you like the idea of imbuing someone who has amp maxed with 200 points and it getting nerf'd to 50? Thats exactly what this will eventually do. Exhaustion is pointless and does more harm than good.
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