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post Apr 19 2009, 13:54
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QUOTE(radixius @ Apr 19 2009, 00:59) *

O, Mighty Cyriel, how brazen and foolish of me to think of myself as superior to thee.

How must I atone for this sin?


Act like a normal human being wherever you go?

Then <3

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post Apr 19 2009, 15:12
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There's no such thing as normal, cupcake <3
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post Apr 19 2009, 17:15
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QUOTE(radixius @ Apr 19 2009, 15:12) *

There's no such thing as normal, cupcake <3


It 's nice how you know exactly what i mean, yet refuse to admit it.

Struggle more, it's fun.
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post Apr 19 2009, 19:26
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The only complaint I have on the goes both ways thing on exhaustion is the first 4%. It automatically causes a reduction for anybody trying to repay the favour, good or bad.

Some noob gave me -k, for no given reason, so I hit him back but it was reduced basically be cause he hit me first. I normally would not have hit him, or even noticed him, except for him hitting me.

This also lets idiots neg people of then say you can't hit me at full strength.
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post Apr 19 2009, 20:01
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QUOTE(Shadow Weaver @ Apr 19 2009, 19:26) *

The only complaint I have on the goes both ways thing on exhaustion is the first 4%. It automatically causes a reduction for anybody trying to repay the favour, good or bad.

Some noob gave me -k, for no given reason, so I hit him back but it was reduced basically be cause he hit me first. I normally would not have hit him, or even noticed him, except for him hitting me.


That's one of the reasons power was increased at the same time. But it's easy to fix anyway. I made a teeny modification so it doesn't apply exhaustion unless your karmic alignment is above 4. But if it is, it applies the full value.
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post Apr 19 2009, 20:17
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What was the second increase in power the other day? I got a nearly 10% increase out of nowhere before I got converted to HV, but a couple days after the first big change.

P.S. Stop instigating, Mr. Cereal.

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post Apr 19 2009, 20:52
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QUOTE(radixius @ Apr 19 2009, 20:17) *

What was the second increase in power the other day? I got a nearly 10% increase out of nowhere before I got converted to HV, but a couple days after the first big change.


Well, remember that the post bonus went from 1/1000 to 1/500? It didn't actually, until that other day.
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post Apr 19 2009, 21:20
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Apr 19 2009, 13:52) *

Well, remember that the post bonus went from 1/1000 to 1/500? It didn't actually, until that other day.


Oh, you goose.

But that makes sense, and I love you for it (making sense).
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post Apr 19 2009, 22:56
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I'd like a moment of your time to point out something crazy.

Before i start, praise tens for helping me test (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif).

So, earlier today, i did this:
2009-04-19 11:05 +554 Cyriel 18454 *cough cough*
to tens.

Then tens did:
2009-04-19 18:11 +2720 Tenseigamoon +/- 16670 Here ya go, Princess. Don't spend it all in one place.
To me.

But the strange part is:
QUOTE(Tens's karma informant delux ® Tenboro industries LTD)
Karmic Exhaustion reduces the effect of your imbuement to 68%.

Karma Amplification increases the effect of the imbuement by 100%

You have imbued Cyriel with 1360 points of positive karma.

Your Karma Influence Power has been drained, and is now 923.


Now take into account this:
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1000 /100 *68(=68%) x2(+100%, my "shown" amp, most likely trained amps) x2(+100%, my "Hidden" amp, most likely the hath perks)


I don't remember the system ignoring karma amps on either side in the karma imbue window. Of course it didn't how the 100% increment before but to my knowledge it did include the hath perks and other bonuses, rounded it all up and made a nice total number when you imbued someone.

So i don't know whether it's supposed to happen or not, but currently it only calculates the 100% from training into the informational window. Just a heads up (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Also, i've noticed some amplifiers also amplify negative karma as well. Does the same apply to the hath perks? or are they still only for positive ?

EDIT: Zomg i pressed the "do it" button while you were updating, and i didn't dual post ! ^^'

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post Apr 19 2009, 23:38
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QUOTE(Cyriel @ Apr 19 2009, 22:56) *

I'd like a moment of your time to point out something crazy.

etc..

I don't remember the system ignoring karma amps on either side in the karma imbue window. Of course it didn't how the 100% increment before but to my knowledge it did include the hath perks and other bonuses, rounded it all up and made a nice total number when you imbued someone.

So i don't know whether it's supposed to happen or not, but currently it only calculates the 100% from training into the informational window. Just a heads up (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Well, supposed to.. I just never added a readout for it, but I suppose for consistency reasons it should be there. I've added it to the other karma amp readout.

QUOTE

Also, i've noticed some amplifiers also amplify negative karma as well. Does the same apply to the hath perks? or are they still only for positive ?


Only positive.
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post Apr 19 2009, 23:44
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Apr 19 2009, 23:38) *

Well, supposed to.. I just never added a readout for it, but I suppose for consistency reasons it should be there. I've added it to the other karma amp readout.
Only positive.


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post Apr 20 2009, 00:13
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OK, so if I neg someone who has no karma shield, I'm still going to get my neg back on myself because I have karma amp?
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post Apr 20 2009, 00:30
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QUOTE(Tenseigamoon @ Apr 20 2009, 00:13) *

OK, so if I neg someone who has no karma shield, I'm still going to get my neg back on myself because I have karma amp?


No.

Probably works with the targets amplifiers. So, if you have 100% karma amp (which you do) and i neg you, you get 100% more neg, not the other way around.

At least thats how i think it works.
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post Apr 20 2009, 00:35
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QUOTE(Cyriel @ Apr 19 2009, 15:30) *

Probably works with the targets amplifiers. So, if you have 100% karma amp (which you do) and i neg you, you get 100% more neg, not the other way around.

Fucking what?!

Oh, hang on. But my karma shield would "absorb" it, right? And not reflect any of it back on you?
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post Apr 20 2009, 00:48
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QUOTE(Tenseigamoon @ Apr 20 2009, 00:35) *

Fucking what?!

Oh, hang on. But my karma shield would "absorb" it, right? And not reflect any of it back on you?


I have no idea. Afaik karma shield still reflects. Dunno if it absorbs.
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post Apr 20 2009, 00:49
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Apr 19 2009, 14:01) *

That's one of the reasons power was increased at the same time. But it's easy to fix anyway. I made a teeny modification so it doesn't apply exhaustion unless your karmic alignment is above 4. But if it is, it applies the full value.

Karmic Alignment being our Kt Value? Isn't 7 neutral and thus you have to be a real dirt bag to avoid this?
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post Apr 20 2009, 01:19
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QUOTE(Cyriel @ Apr 19 2009, 17:48) *

I have no idea. Afaik karma shield still reflects. Dunno if it absorbs.

Karma Shield Absorbs up to 1% of all imbued Negative Karma. So there's no more worry about blast back of it so K- to your heart's content now.
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post Apr 20 2009, 03:38
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QUOTE(cptkleenex @ Apr 20 2009, 01:19) *

Karma Shield Absorbs up to 1% of all imbued Negative Karma. So there's no more worry about blast back of it so K- to your heart's content now.


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post Apr 20 2009, 07:48
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QUOTE(Sonic @ Apr 20 2009, 00:49) *

Karmic Alignment being our Kt Value? Isn't 7 neutral and thus you have to be a real dirt bag to avoid this?


Oh.. no, Karmic Alignment is how many karma imbues there's been between two given members the past 30 days. Dunno if I actually mentioned it anywhere, but I use it in the code. It was the original name I was going to use for Exhaustion, but at the end of the day I didn't feel it was very intuitive. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Apr 20 2009, 11:45
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Ahhh, that makes sense now. Thanks for the clear up. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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