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Item equipment level should be equal for the grade of items.

1) level 100 users can equip items up to Ex.
(equipment level for ex should be set to 100)

2) level 200 users can equip items up to Mag.
(equipment level for mag should be set to 200)

3) level 300 users can equip items up to Legend.
(etc)

4) level 400 users can equip items up to Peer.
(etc)

So when higher level users get Ex./Mag items and dump it into Bazaar,
newbies can buy it from there and move on to level 300+.

It will also normalize trading between higher level users.

Any lvl 5 noob could equip a lvl 450 Average Axe, with around dmg 800 and Str +50, and weapon upgrades would boil down to more and better PABs and mitigations?

Long story short - Most of the players that'll join HV after this patch will quit out of frustration.

Just as planned?

Yes, but that's not the issue. Extremely starting/new players are pure screwed. Most of the time they are not rich. meaning, they will have to play only RE for over 1 month to get enough Soul Fragment for a full set. In the meanwhile, they can't play the game much, since they'll level up way too quickly, while their gears (If they actually managed to get any in the 1st place) will lag behind. Even 1 single RE is enough for starting players to gain a few levels.

Long story short - Most of the players that'll join HV after this patch will quit out of frustration.

If you start playing a new game, and learn that you'll need to do a repetitive routine work for more than 1 month before you can even start to enjoy it, what will YOU do?

Furthermore, RE isn't always "guaranteed" to give you Soul Fragment.

I'm pretty sure the intent is that lowbies won't find anything worth soulbinding when they're in the fast leveling phase, so they can just replace existing pieces with drops as they come. Just like the initial days of HV.

This post has been edited by Cashino: May 19 2015, 09:50

I think it would be better if the Soul Fragments required to soulfuse a gear is proportional to the level and quality of the gear. Just because we're wearing Sup/Exq gear doesn't mean we want to completely outlevel it in just 1 week of grinding. Or at the very least, let us soulfuse 1 "aged" gear at a discounted Soul Fragment rate every 7-14 days....

This post has been edited by Geosage: May 19 2015, 09:55

Lemme guess... Playing style - warrior. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

You caught me.
Though I'm also a dark mage, which is pretty much screwed in this patch from what I read on the forum. Don't the the will the try myself, why bother with virtually no reward but only punishment.
But just regarding play style itself, the change is not the end of the world though, I could always change to elemental. Albeit a weaker one as I can't get elemental equipment now. Unless I got really lucky.
As a mid level mage, I'm not supposed to beat everything at ease on high difficulty anyway.

Play style changing is not horrible, as long as you have the way to change it. How can you change play style now when you have virtually no way to change your gear set?

Just as planned?

Who knows? If that was intended from the beginning, then I see no light for the new players. But if this is unintended, then there is some hope left.

I'm pretty sure the intent is that lowbies won't find anything worth soulbinding when they're in the fast leveling phase, so they can just replace existing pieces with drops as they come. Just like the initial days of HV.

Even people with max loot related training (playing in the PFUDOR) are getting mostly Average grade drops. Surely a new player with almost no training wouldn't get even that much luck.

Any lvl 5 noob could equip a lvl 450 Average Axe, with around dmg 800 and Str +50, and weapon upgrades would boil down to more and better PABs and mitigations?

I was referring to the player's level.

For example, if you are between level 100~199 then

You should easily find E-max 2pab Ex Items dumped by higher level users from Bazaar for about 10~30k credits.

Or you can simply buy it from WTS, which will be less convenient but you'll get M-max 3pab Ex for 50k or so.


This post has been edited by WOYH: May 19 2015, 10:03

Play style changing is not horrible, as long as you have the way to change it. How can you change play style now when you have virtually no way to change your gear set?

We, who have been playing HV for at least a couple of months, should be okay once again after 1 more months of grinding Soul Fragments. The ones who are most discouraged to play are going to be the ones who join from now on.

Play style changing is not horrible, as long as you have the way to change it. How can you change play style now when you have virtually no way to change your gear set?

You be like me: steadily gather gear as you level up over a long period of time.

I've managed to gather a decent set of gear to work in any fighting style over the years, even finding myself a few gems like this

you have virtually no way to change your gear set?

How so? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Don't you dare. They're fine as long as no one complains. If he's really trying to make potions an expense, however, they're only going to get chopped. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I still want to address hito's post about super peerless too, if I ever make it to page 19. The short of it is: super peerless would ruin the game, and goes against everything he's done so far forge-wise.

What is Super Peerless?

Also, I don't get it with -Slaughter patch.

Old -slaughter items have much stronger adb than the new ones.

New legendary -slaughter items have only E-max adb.

Why the down grade?

why are the new equipment so ass, i was so happy seeing 2 mag equipment drop(i've only 2-3 drop prepatch) and then i see it has 2 pab T_T

I kept close track of my potions yesterday to see how net gains on PFUDOR fared after the adjustments. In a spreadsheet! Nothing fancy: [i.imgur.com] http://i.imgur.com/hufaX0J.png

At least for me, Mana Draughts seem to be on the right track, especially considering that I had one active the whole time for most of the arenas. Mana Potions ended up being below par, so I'm not confident that they drop enough to be self-sustaining, but it's only data from one day's worth of arenas; tomorrow could be better. I used 0-5 potions for each of the normal arenas, probably between 5-10 for each of the schoolgirl marathons. The marathons take so many spells to clear that the Mana Potion drop-rate just can't seem to keep up. Elixirs and health-restoratives weren't used at all. Spirit Draughts were seldom used; Potions were untouched.

What also worries me is that the Restoratives option on the Character screen currently uses retired potions. Once those are removed, it will use the new potions and put a further strain on supply. I think reintroducing Tokens of Healing would help, but at the same time I don't think anyone would appreciate them competing with Chaos and Blood Tokens.

This post has been edited by n125: May 19 2015, 12:20

Also, I don't get it with -Slaughter patch.

Old -slaughter items have much stronger adb than the new ones.

New legendary -slaughter items have only E-max adb.

Why the down grade?

It's pointless to have other suffixes if Slaughter is the correct pick every time for every player, that's why.

We, who have been playing HV for at least a couple of months, should be okay once again after 1 more months of grinding Soul Fragments. The ones who are most discouraged to play are going to be the ones who join from now on.

And you can only hope you get lucky on loot now if you ever want an upgrade. It would be much more frustrating to get a peerless that is useless to you and only good for bazaar, then making it more difficult to get a peerless which you could sell for a lot credit then buy a peerless appealing to you..
And a game that practically refuse new players to join has no future.

How so? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Refering to new player and middle player who has not gather all equipment for both 1H, Dw and mage style. Teach me how to gather your first set of equipment now that you can't even buy average stuff on bazaar.

More seriously, you just have to either (1) learn to live with the changes or (2) quit playing the game, either until a decent patch comes out or forever. If Tenboro thinks he went too far with a change and tweaks things then consider yourself lucky, but I don't think there's ever been a time where Tenboro has completely undone a patch's change.

Ah, I would be glad to hibernate until the next patch
"But I have promises to keep
And mils to grind before I sleep" (with apologies to the Roberst Frost)

I got a (in-game) loan, and spent not on high-level eqips or trainings but to purchase some bitcoins from other players and to get a Gold Star (thereby giving Tenboro and this site very real, if small, help). Now the option (2) is right out. So i have to learn to live with the changes, but that doesn't preclude me from suggesting that some changes are unreasonable in their current form. For example I am not against limiting the trade of equipment, however when trade of equipment dies entirely this suggests to me that it isn't reasonable change (and probably wasn't the intended effect). My voice alone does not mean much, however when many other voices suggests that there should be some way to get from the other player the equipment in the broader range than 1 level out of 500 (because lower-level eqips are almost guaranteed to be worse, and higher-level ones are currently unequippable).

Also, just for example would you please describe for me reason (as you see it), why equipment from shrine have level of the shriner instead of "level unassigned" ? Shrine results are not dependent on levels, trainings and so on, so why the shriner, who wants to get a good equipment should be stuck with five more pieces of good equipment not suited for his style, without any hope to sell them?

This post has been edited by Paarfi: May 19 2015, 11:04

It's pointless to have other suffixes if Slaughter is the correct pick every time for every player, that's why.

But the new weapons can not beat the old -slaughter weapons even if they get slightly better PAB bonus.

So before the patch, -Slaughter was the best pick.

After the patch, OLD-Slaughter weapon is still the best pick and it's impossible to get it unless you buy it from rich people for more credits.

Is this suppose to be a newbie killer patch?

@ 10boro,

i'm checking every -slaughter items,,, and i can check non slaughter equipment's are buff as you said

such as Exquisite Power Leggings of Protection...

this item has 12.88 adb same as old power protection Lmax adb.


but this slaughter item Magnificent Power Gauntlets of Slaughter,

has 15.71 base adb same as old power slaughter s-2.xx adb.

even if considering there item's level i think this is miss design, isn't it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

@ 10boro,

i'm checking every -slaughter items,,, and i can check non slaughter equipment's are buff as you said

such as Exquisite Power Leggings of Protection...

this item has 12.88 adb same as old power protection Lmax adb.


but this slaughter item Magnificent Power Gauntlets of Slaughter,

has 15.71 base adb same as old power slaughter s-2.xx adb.

even if considering there item's level, i think this is miss design, isn't it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

This post has been edited by kororoc: May 19 2015, 11:23