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I have a question for you, Tenboro.
Say I want a charged phase set of some element. What would you say is a reasonable amount of time to expect to complete that in, entirely self found?

Concider-> every Prefix & Suffix of each Geartype (Jep, tons of Plate/Leather & Cotton/ tons of 1H crap/2H crap/Staff crap/ Phase,Shade,Power with shitty PAB´s) + the Number "Luck" = asking for the immposible.. isnt really necessary^^ But, if he spits out a Number ..it must be 7 !

Doesnt mean.. Years/Months/Weeks/Hours/Minutes/Sek´s ..just 7 !!!

Like "8" if you would feed him with infos about your investment of time as a Graph in % over 31 days.. maybe the outcome would be "9" ..dunno actually ^^

I have a question for you, Tenboro.
Say I want a charged phase set of some element. What would you say is a reasonable amount of time to expect to complete that in, entirely self found?

The time is takes to danixxx or any uper level player to get it and put it on sale on any of the acutions. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

The time is takes to danixxx or any uper level player to get it and put it on sale on any of the acutions. :P

Of course now many players can't equip gear from upper level players.

Of course now many players can't equip gear from upper level players.

It would probably be faster to level up to that level and buy the set than to try to find, which is reasonable considering how specific the gear asked for was. If it was just phase of 1 element I doubt it would take too long, especially not if you where shrining all your trophies for it.

I have a question for you, Tenboro.
Say I want a charged phase set of some element. What would you say is a reasonable amount of time to expect to complete that in, entirely self found?

that's what makes the market still live among high levelers.

It would probably be faster to level up to that level and buy the set than to try to find, which is reasonable considering how specific the gear asked for was. If it was just phase of 1 element I doubt it would take too long, especially not if you where shrining all your trophies for it.

That's not specific at all. Specific would be "charged phase of element with at least x cast rate, y edb, z evade, plus theta pabs with epsilon rolls, minimum." And that's while not even looking for high end, expensive gear. ANYTHING would work.
The point is you couldn't even build a basic set even if you played all day, every day (wait, you can't. penalties. and stamina. and boredom), and you'd STILL have to get lucky. You won't have money to buy anything either since the market is gone. I'm waiting until Tenboro replies before making the post I wanted to make earlier.

Let us not forget even if you "level up to that level and buy the set," it would still have to be worth soulbinding, and only if it's worth spending 120k per phazon for every half point of pab.

that's what makes the market still live among high levelers.

And that's great. But there should be more than just auction battles. You shouldn't have to spend millions of currency or millions of hours just to TRY something. It all depends on what he thinks is reasonable.

This post has been edited by qw3rty67: Jun 20 2015, 04:24

And that's great. But there should be more than just auction battles. You shouldn't have to spend millions of currency or millions of hours just to TRY something. It all depends on what he thinks is reasonable.

Reasonable? other ways?...

PFFFFFF.... Really? i thought all of the dudes that were against FS and other stuff related to "help ppl" would have understand that there the no other ways around... my bad! looks like there was someone who didnt and tought some odd things in his head: FS killed the market? well i will say it did some damage to the market... but auctions has been there since before FS... and they were the main reason why the prices of some stuff skyrocket... meaning? well, auctions were the base to value everything on WTS, when someone opened a shop and value something WAY too valuable with a "noob price" the ones that went to get it were high up players (who doesnt? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ), and so the one selling the item was labeled as a (insert any word or words that can describe a noob and/or and idiot)... and so those ones started to value their stuff with prices that could adapt to other shop owners prices... and so the prices GOT HIGH... but then this update happened!... ann no more trade was possible... so... TELL ME: Aside of the auctions... What other way to trade stuff is left?...

Rent? = Who is that crazy?.

Lend it? = Say goodbye to anything you give.

Sell it on WTS? = Yeah... could work... but for now only non equipments stuff are being moved on it.

Auction? = Good luck taking the current auction owners position.

Give it for free? = That hurts the market... better to be greedy than.. an idiot? (whats the difference? in the end the greedy ones will end up being destroyed... remember the 2008.).

(other option) = ... (abandon all hope!)

That's not specific at all. Specific would be "charged phase of element with at least x cast rate, y edb, z evade, plus theta pabs with epsilon rolls, minimum." And that's while not even looking for high end, expensive gear. ANYTHING would work.
The point is you couldn't even build a basic set even if you played all day, every day (wait, you can't. penalties. and stamina. and boredom), and you'd STILL have to get lucky. You won't have money to buy anything either since the market is gone. I'm waiting until Tenboro replies before making the post I wanted to make earlier.

Let us not forget even if you "level up to that level and buy the set," it would still have to be worth soulbinding, and only if it's worth spending 120k per phazon for every half point of pab.
And that's great. But there should be more than just auction battles. You shouldn't have to spend millions of currency or millions of hours just to TRY something. It all depends on what he thinks is reasonable.

What's your point? This is how HV has been since the very beginning.

As for me, I've built up enough loot over the years to have a workable set of equipment for pretty much every fighting style.

Reasonable? other ways?...

If we whine hard enough, we can make a difference!

FS killed the market?

It's more accurate to say it significantly foo'd the bar. It's not just about buying, either. Why sell when FS removes so many customers? I was barely selling things before FS; with FS there's really no point. There's no "natural progression" when you have to hit the lottery to even think about selling something. At bottom, it's about availability, not price.

Aside of the auctions... What other way to trade stuff is left?...

Wait for all the unassigned gear to disappear.
Change the soulfuse system to facilitate trade. Likely.
Or, with this trend of making things more solo-"friendly," a slow, expensive, and heavily restricted craft system to create gear, with some agents being tradeable. Less likely and very far off, but possible.
A fully automated, in-game auction house. The worst and least likely option.

What's your point? This is how HV has been since the very beginning.

Botters and multi-accounting are the WMDs of the hentaiverse, and the game should stop being designed around them. It was not like this from the beginning, and legacy mode was the beginning for me.

As for me, I've built up enough loot over the years to have a workable set of equipment for pretty much every fighting style.

Sell me your charged phase set of Niflheim. If you haven't salvaged it already. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I also want an ethereal tempestuous longsword of balance with near-max proc chance, a shadowdancer set with high dex rolls, three shielding pieces totalling 15% block, two mithril pieces, a fiery willow staff of focus OR fenrir, a swordchuck, two ethereal hallowed daggers of swiftness, and a set of dex cotton.

If we whine hard enough, we can make a difference!


It's more accurate to say it significantly foo'd the bar. It's not just about buying, either. Why sell when FS removes so many customers? I was barely selling things before FS; with FS there's really no point. There's no "natural progression" when you have to hit the lottery to even think about selling something. At bottom, it's about availability, not price.


Wait for all the unassigned gear to disappear.
Change the soulfuse system to facilitate trade. Likely.
Or, with this trend of making things more solo-"friendly," a slow, expensive, and heavily restricted craft system to create gear, with some agents being tradeable. Less likely and very far off, but possible.
A fully automated, in-game auction house. The worst and least likely option.

Botters and multi-accounting are the WMDs of the hentaiverse, and the game should stop being designed around them. It was not like this from the beginning, and legacy mode was the beginning for me.

+Yeah... let see who has the balls to whine in an intelligent way to not be banned... Anyone?
Also, i think you are being way to preposterous: what make you thin that whining will make any difference? that one happened 4 years ago, are there any signs that the overlord is willing to do something like this again? also wont that mess up the actual system? Wont that hurt the actual market?

+Wut? so far the second sentence can be ead as: "FS only did 10% of the total damage to the market"... So that means the problem WAS ALREADY THERE BEFORE FS WERE BORN!... So yeah lets mess around with FS, dont? also You dont selling stuff... everyones problem? how? i think if you cant sell stuff means 2 things: not updating your prices and/or not giving options to pay to your customers... thats like suicie on WTS, isnt? (the other could be you dont have good stuff... but i believe you do). also, last part isnt very clear for me: if there were many equipments on 0.81 and there were lot of ppl donating them to FS... Then... how come FS is at fault? So... ppl donating those to FS were at fault of the end of WTS economy? How come charity became economic armagedon in 1 update? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

+About the options:
-Could happen... but... is that an option? how will it change the economy?
-...PFFF... like the repair section, that stuff came to be here until the X update... so you can die waiting for it.
-That one sounds complicate... but i also have dreams.
-If is the worst... then is not an option... well one than you wont like, right?.

+Forget it! im pretty sure thats a matter that goes above your needs (or why would it be the center of this update), also the past is beyond our grasp... adapt, whine or WWSSD(?)... thats it! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I also want an ethereal tempestuous longsword of balance with near-max proc chance, a shadowdancer set with high dex rolls, three shielding pieces totalling 15% block, two mithril pieces, a fiery willow staff of focus OR fenrir, a swordchuck, two ethereal hallowed daggers of swiftness, and a set of dex cotton.

I don't know what you think fighting style means, but I meant "weapons for a 1/2/element/holy/dark/niten styles and full sets of cloth/leather/heavy armors", and not "every esoteric way of playing this game."

I have a question for you, Tenboro.
Say I want a charged phase set of some element. What would you say is a reasonable amount of time to expect to complete that in, entirely self found?

What a charged question, personally I'd want radiant or mystical

This post has been edited by skillchip: Jun 20 2015, 07:59

I have a question for you, Tenboro.
Say I want a charged phase set of some element. What would you say is a reasonable amount of time to expect to complete that in, entirely self found?

Infinite? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Statistic Law:
On average, having a probability of 1/X to get what you want mean you will get what you want every X times.

[en.wikipedia.org] Murphy's Law interference on multiplayer games:
On average, having a probability of 1/X to get what you want mean every X times, it's another player that will play the winning game, and screw you.

Note that simulations and bots/highly automated playstyles are less affected, but casual players are slaughtered by this.

+Yeah... let see who has the balls to whine in an intelligent way to not be banned... Anyone?
Also, i think you are being way to preposterous: what make you thin that whining will make any difference? that one happened 4 years ago, are there any signs that the overlord is willing to do something like this again? also wont that mess up the actual system? Wont that hurt the actual market?

Tenpai always notices my posts, and he's been logging drops since January so he knows what's out there. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I don't want to buy trophies just yet unless there's a a reasonable chance to make back 30-50% of the cost with a few lucky results, OR a chance to actually get things you're looking for. Remember it's a game, not a job.

+Wut? so far the second sentence can be ead as: "FS only did 10% of the total damage to the market"... So that means the problem WAS ALREADY THERE BEFORE FS WERE BORN!...

It was much easier to find more things before free shops and FS, and the free shops of old didn't stock gear that was nearly as good as today's.

I'd like to know why you think free shops are a good thing overall.

i think if you cant sell stuff means 2 things: not updating your prices and/or not giving options to pay to your customers... thats like suicie on WTS, isnt? (the other could be you dont have good stuff... but i believe you do).

My most recent lurkings have told me your item must be worth millions, or it's worth zero. That means at least legendary with no sub-leg rolls, or possibly magnificent with near or max rolls for every single stat. Exquisites aren't even free shop tier. I even offered almost double salvage price for a bad exquisite and still didn't get it.
I'd rather see crudes drop than exquisites and mags. It makes me sad when "worthless" things drop. Drops are supposed to be fun!

also, last part isnt very clear for me: if there were many equipments on 0.81 and there were lot of ppl donating them to FS... Then... how come FS is at fault? So... ppl donating those to FS were at fault of the end of WTS economy? How come charity became economic armagedon in 1 update? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

This isn't a sudden thing. I just never talked about it until now.
FS is at fault because it devalues gear and makes higher tiers harder to reach by stifling trade. Look at what happens to those who don't know how good they really have it.
The ponylord has always taken steps to reduce the flow of the downwards trickle. Would he have done this if there were no FS? Sure, but probably not to this extent. After all, the game is totally playable completely nude on at least normal. I did a few rounds just now, just to see.

-Could happen... but... is that an option? how will it change the economy?
-...PFFF... like the repair section, that stuff came to be here until the X update... so you can die waiting for it.
-That one sounds complicate... but i also have dreams.
-If is the worst... then is not an option... well one than you wont like, right?.

-Things could pick up after all the old gear disappears, but who knows how long that will take.
-Really! I have an idea for a decent compromise. It would actually cost more fragments than the current system, but allow more flexibility ( = market ) while still having restrictions towards natural progression.
-The forge already exists, and there's already a counter in the shrine, so it'd be a matter of adding new drops and tokens. The rest depends on how hard it is to work with the code.
-Auction house isn't my idea; I just think it's more fun to deal with other players. It goes back to Rei-Tenshi's question: is HV a single player or multi player game?

adapt, whine or WWSSD(?)... thats it! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

But WHO WAS SS?

Seriously, I can't figure it out. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I don't know what you think fighting style means, but I meant "weapons for a 1/2/element/holy/dark/niten styles and full sets of cloth/leather/heavy armors", and not "every esoteric way of playing this game."

I tried to sort them in order of probability, but I really do want that stuff. Some things I've already tried, but need better gear to make more use of. The most important thing is the charged set.

What a charged question, personally I'd want radiant or mystical

Funny guy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
hito's really got me thinking whether a perfect cold set can compete with a perfect wind set. But given the same budget, I think cold comes out ahead before the highest gear levels. Wind needs a lot more specific things before it can really shine.

Long long ago, Hito and I did some simulations that said he should still with his god staff. Times have changed from then, as long low difficulty schoolgirls are no longer a thing. So sad the easy girls are gone instead of lining up for us.

This post has been edited by skillchip: Jun 20 2015, 08:36

What was the leading factor? Raw damage or less turns healing due to evade?

Infinite? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Statistic Law:
On average, having a probability of 1/X to get what you want mean you will get what you want every X times.

[en.wikipedia.org] Murphy's Law interference on multiplayer games:
On average, having a probability of 1/X to get what you want mean every X times, it's another player that will play the winning game, and screw you.

Note that simulations and bots/highly automated playstyles are less affected, but casual players are slaughtered by this.

So true. I see everyone dropping Leg Mjolnir and P+ shocking staffs left and right, while I only got a couple of okay tier phase of other elements despite playing 20+ RE every day. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

Can we have a perk for FUS RO DAH also?

I don't have enough money for OFC to compare with... so I wounder how much more damage can OFC+ perk do?

Say I want a charged phase set of some element. What would you say is a reasonable amount of time to expect to complete that in, entirely self found?

Well, that would vary greatly depending on what you are doing to spin the equipment roulette wheel, but the system isn't really designed to let you pick and choose like that without trading.

If you're just grinding out battles at PFUDOR, you can assume (very roughly) that ~25% of the drops are cloth, of which ~7% will be phase, of which ~15% will have a prefix, of which ~10% will be charged. So about 1 in 3809 random drops will be a charged phase.

If on the other hand you're handing in noodles, it's all cloth and about ~12% phase, of which ~30% will have a prefix, of which ~10% will be charged. So about 1 in 277 noodle cloth drops will be charged phase.

Of course, in either case, since you have 5 unique slots you will very likely run into the collector cards syndrome where you end up with doubles before you have one of each.

It is sad to find out that playing thousands of rounds do not give better drop than a few RE in 0.82.
So there is no reason to do any run that take longer than 30 minutes.