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post Nov 28 2014, 13:39
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QUOTE(atomicpuppy @ Nov 28 2014, 12:24) *

Since I have no idea what am I doing, appreciate if someone would come out with a list like this for 1H
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1H are looking for rapiers of slaughter (or maybe shortswords of slaughter)
DW are looking for axes of slaughter, clubs of slaughter, rapiers of slaughter/nimble and possibly wakis of nimble
nitens are looking for wakis of nimble, swiftness or maybe balance

at least as far as i know...
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post Nov 28 2014, 14:18
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the most viable offhand waki is peerless slaughter for the full forge value. *drunk
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post Nov 28 2014, 14:59
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short version, feel free to extend/change it, because I've never played niten & only DW 200+lvls ago.

Rapier
Exq+ (prefix) Rapier of Slaughter - 1H
Mag+ (prefix) Rapier of Balance - DW offhand
Mag+ (prefix) Rapier of nimble - DW offhand

Shortsword
Mag+ (prefix) Rapier of Slaughter - 1H

Waki
Mag+ (prefix) Waki of Slaughter/Balance/Nimble - 1H/niten

Club
Mag+ (ethereal?!) Club of Slaughter DW mainhand

Axe
Mag+ (ethereal?!) Axe of Slaughter DW mainhand
higher dmg than Club & might only work with lower difficulty. Also, Leg (some non-ethereal prefix) Axe of Slaughter are pretty cheap 100-200k.

tl;dr Ethereal stuff are crazy expensive, Hallowed stuff are expensive, other prefix are okay, no prefix = (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
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post Nov 28 2014, 15:55
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Let's see, weapons are something like this:
[Quality] [Prefix] [Slot] of [Suffix]

[Quality] Peerless>>Legendary>Magnificent>Exquisite>>Rubbish
[Prefix] Ethereal>Hallowed>Demonic>Fiery=Arctic=Shocking=Tempestuous>>Nothing
[Slot] Rapier>>Wakizashi> the rest
[Suffix] Slaughter>>Battlecaster>Nimble>Swiftness>> trolling suffix

Not everyone agree completely with me, but Ethereal/Hallowed Rapier of Slaughter is unquestionably the best.
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post Nov 28 2014, 20:26
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QUOTE(atomicpuppy @ Nov 28 2014, 16:54) *

Since I have no idea what am I doing, appreciate if someone would come out with a list like this for 1H
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THX!

Just got home today (Nearly midnight here right now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) ). Gotta sleep. I'll make you a detailed post tomorrow (have the day off). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Though I'd like to see a 1000x Heavy Armor Shrining more than a 1000x 1H Weapon Shrining. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Nov 29 2014, 04:09
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QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 29 2014, 02:26) *

Just got home today (Nearly midnight here right now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) ). Gotta sleep. I'll make you a detailed post tomorrow (have the day off). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Thanks, that'd be a great way to spend a day off (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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Though I'd like to see a 1000x Heavy Armor Shrining more than a 1000x 1H Weapon Shrining. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Perhaps do a post about Heavy Armor too? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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Thank you - Scremaz, drunk Dead-ed, malkatemp, good helpful dragon and tetron!
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post Nov 29 2014, 10:18
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QUOTE(atomicpuppy @ Nov 29 2014, 07:39) *

Thanks, that'd be a great way to spend a day off (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

LMAO. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

QUOTE(atomicpuppy @ Nov 29 2014, 07:39) *

Perhaps do a post about Heavy Armor too? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

NP. This afternoon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Nov 29 2014, 18:09
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1H-Weapon:
Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter
[Quality] [Prefix] [Weapon] [Suffix]


"Ethereal" Prefix permanently removes the "Burden" and "Interference" (Negative stats) of a weapon. Also, a Ethereal weapon can have ANY one "Elemental Strike" through Item World. Which is why Ethereal Weapons have such a high demand/price in the market. As for price, Ethereal is the most pricy one, followed by Hallowed (because it provides a healing bonus). The 3rd position goes to Demonic due to most monsters in HV are weak to Demonic attacks.

Vampire is the most useless Prefix. And other two Drain-Prefixes, Illithid and Banshee, are not much popular. But they can fetch high price if the weapon is legendary Grade and is a Ethereal one.

Axe:
Since Axe has very high Burden and Interference, Ethereal ones are very much sought out. Other than Ethereal, Hallowed is the second highest priced Prefix, followed by Demonic.

Legendary Ethereal Axe of Slaughter: Very high price.
Legendary Hallowed Axe of Slaughter: High price. But that's not always the case.
Legendary Demonic Axe of Slaughter: Moderate price.

Axe of Balance & Axe of Battlecaster are not popular (because of their lack of attack power) and may not fetch good price, since Axe are sought out for pure attack power, which "Axe of Slaughter" has the most. Point to be noted, Axe does not have "of the Nimble" Suffix.

Also, "Magnificent" quality or below Axe may not fetch a good price, even if it's a Ethereal one.

Club:
Club of Balance, Club of Nimble & Club of Battlecaster are not much popular (hence less market price), leaving only Club of Slaughter.

Any Legendary grade Club of Slaughter is very rare, and their rarity is the reason they are very highly priced.

Magnificent grade Club of Slaughter is also good, but they may not fetch high price.

Rapier:
There is a reason why Rapier is the most popular 1H weapon. The "Penetrated Armor" (a.k.a. "PA") buff that comes with Rapier is a very handy tool. So how much chance of PA a Rapier has also affect it's price. 20% is more or less a good chance, while 25% is the Max Chance. the Duration of the PA also matters, generally 5-turns or more is good. Below 5-turns WILL reduce the price a lot.

Legendary Ethereal/Hallowed/Demonic Rapier of Slaughter: Congratulations! You have hit a Jackpot! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Legendary Ethereal/Hallowed/Demonic Rapier of Balance: high price.
Legendary Ethereal/Hallowed/Demonic Rapier of the Nimble: high price. Point to be noted, this one is extremely rare, even more than Slaughter one.

Even Magnificent grade Rapiers can be pretty damn pricy if they have good enough stats.

Shortsword:
This one is not much popular (I don't understand why). Only one which can fetch a high price is a Legendary grade Ethereal/Hallowed/Demonic Slaughter one.

Wakizashi:
Legendary grade Wakizashi are way too common in the market, and that's why only Legendary grade Ethereal/Hallowed/Demonic Wakizashi can fetch high price.

Balance, Swiftness & Nimble, these are the popular Suffixes for Wakizashi.


Heavy Armor:
Legendary Savage Power Helmet of Slaughter
[Quality] [Prefix] [Armor Type] [Armor Piece Position] [Suffix]


This type of armor is primarily used with 1H+Shield combination. Plate Armor is all about defense, and Power Armor is all about attack power.

Plate armor has very high Damage Mitigation stats, but it also comes with extremely high Burden & Interference. And since Plate Armor does not have any direct attack power bonus, a full set them are almost never used (Since it's too slow for killing monsters).

Power armor is built for killing, and Power Armor of Slaughter has insane attack power bonus. Those attack power, however, comes with a cost: Power armor has much less Damage Mitigation stats than Plate armor. Meaning, they are more vulnerable than Plate armors. Which is why good Power armor of Protection/Warding pieces has high price in the market.

"Zircon/Ruby/Onyx/Cobalt" are the most useful "Mitigation Prefixes" (Zircon: Holy Mitigation, Ruby: Fire Mitigation, Onyx: Dark Mitigation, Cobalt: Cold Mitigation). They act like MMI, but only against specific types of magical attacks. These prefixes are very good for heavy armor. And can be highly priced one if the armor piece has good enough stats.

Plate Armor:
Shielding is the best prefix for Plate armor. A good Shielding plate can fetch very high price.

The main weakness of Heavy Armor is the lack of "Crushing Mitigation". The Suffix "of Dampening" gives extra Crushing Mitigation, and are often sought out in Shielding-Plates.

There is a Monster type called "Celestials", who can attack you with a Physical "Crushing" type attack, a Magical "Holy" type attack, and a special "Void" type attack (Void attacks does not have a specific mitigation, and can kill you with 1 shot). Oh, I missed one thing: Heavy armor tend to have low Magical Mitigation (a.k.a. "MMI"). So as you can see, all of their attacks are a pain in the ass for Heavy Armor users. Which is why Shielding-Plates "of Warding/Protection" are highly sought out. Pointed to be notes, there are also a few more type of monster who can use Void attacks.

Plate Armor is mostly used as a "Sabatons" part.

Legendary Shielding Plate Sabatons of Protection/Warning/Dampening: high price.
Legendary Shielding Plate Sabatons of Deflection: Deflection gives Piercing Mitigation bonus, which is a minor but nevertheless good mitigation stat. Deflection plates can fetch good price.

Power Armor:
Power armor is all about firepower...or not! In these days, monsters deal a lot of damage, so proper defense is needed to play with Power armor in high difficulties. Which is where "Power Armor of Protection/Warding" comes in.

Void attacks from monsters are a player's worst nightmare. They does not have a specific mitigation, but the impact of Void Attacks can be reduced by Physical Mitigation (a.k.a. "PMI"). This is one of the reasons why Power Armors "of Protection" are so popular (It gives much more PMI than Power Armors of Slaughters).

A Lot of monsters use Magical Attacks. To reduce the impact of these attacks, MMI is needed. Power Armors "of Warding" has good MMI, and are quite popular too.

Power Armors "of Slaughter" has insanely high Attack Power, but they have very little Mitigation Stats. But nonetheless, good Power Armors of Slaughter are very very rare, which is why their price always skyrocket in Auctions.

Power Armors "of Balance" increases "Crit" Chance ("Critical Hit" Chance). And a weapon "Proc" (i.e. Penetrated Armor) always happen with a Crit. Savage Prefix increases the Damage of Crit. So "Savage" Power armors "of Balance" are very good. But they are very rare.

Legendary Savage Power Armor of Protection/Warding: good price. Can fetch high price if it has high stats.
Legendary Savage Power Armor of Slaughter: Congratulations! You have hit a Jackpot! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Legendary Savage Power Armor of Balance: Works great, but not very popular. Not to mention they are very rare. Not sure about the price since there are not enough pieces in the market for analyzing.

One last thing, "of Balance/Slaughter" Suffixes are reserved for Power Armors only, and "Shielding/Dampening/Piercing" Suffixes are reserved for Plate Armors only.




You're still reading this? Congratulations, you win "Patience of the the year" award! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

P.S. - Now I need a coffee break.

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post Nov 29 2014, 18:22
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Can we pin this thread, at least temporarily?

Also, Marisa and Momiji (and stars!), holy Hakurei pieces of hell, this is great! Can die happy now.

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post Nov 29 2014, 19:35
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QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 29 2014, 18:09) *

Axe of Balance & Axe of Battlecaster are not popular (because of their lack of attack power) and may not fetch good price, since Axe are sought out for pure attack power, which "Axe of Slaughter" has the most. Point to be noted, Axe does not have "of the Nimble" Suffix.


Axe of Balance & Axe of Battlecaster are not popular because they don't exist in the current version of HV.
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Suffixes#One-handed_Weapon

They're popular with collectors though. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Nov 29 2014, 19:56
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QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 29 2014, 17:09) *

"Ethereal" Prefix permanently removes the "Burden" and "Interference" (Negative stats) of a weapon. Also, a Ethereal weapon can have ANY one "Elemental Strike" through Item World. Which is why Ethereal Weapons have such a high demand/price in the market. As for price, Ethereal is the most pricy one, followed by Hallowed (because it provides a healing bonus). The 3rd position goes to Demonic due to most monsters in HV are weak to Demonic attacks.

earning a specific elemental strike isn't so easy, so people may still want to start with a low-BUR, elemental-prefixed weapon to be sure

QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 29 2014, 17:09) *

Axe of Balance & Axe of the Battlecaster [...] Axe does not have "of the Nimble" Suffix.

axes don't have balance and battlecaster suffixes as well, they are meant as main hands only. i'm surprised a collector like you doesn't know this (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 29 2014, 17:09) *

Club

clubs of slaughter are still quite popular among DW users

QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 29 2014, 17:09) *

Shortsword:
This one is not much popular (I don't understand why). Only one which can fetch a high price is a Legendary grade Ethereal/Hallowed/Demonic Slaughter one.

my guess is that they are an intermediate between axes and wakizashis, but without having extraordinary stats. shortsword of slaughter with high parry may still be interesting for a cheap 1H set

QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 29 2014, 17:09) *

Void attacks from monsters are a player's worst nightmare. They does not have a specific mitigation, but the impact of Void Attacks can be reduced by Physical Mitigation (a.k.a. "PMI"). This is one of the reasons why Power Armors "of Protection" are so popular (It gives much more PMI than Power Armors of Slaughters).

if they are physical type attacks, otherwise it's MMI to be considered. or did i miss something? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Nov 29 2014, 20:32
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QUOTE(dracolich85 @ Nov 29 2014, 23:05) *

Axe of Balance & Axe of Battlecaster are not popular because they don't exist in the current version of HV.
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Suffixes#One-handed_Weapon

They're popular with collectors though. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Oops! Totally missed that point. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 29 2014, 23:26) *

earning a specific elemental strike isn't so easy, so people may still want to start with a low-BUR, elemental-prefixed weapon to be sure

Not every weapon has low BUR. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 29 2014, 23:26) *

axes don't have balance and battlecaster suffixes as well, they are meant as main hands only. i'm surprised a collector like you doesn't know this (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

My mistake. I totally forgot it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 29 2014, 23:26) *

clubs of slaughter are still quite popular among DW users

Well, what else do you expect? Some toplist rankers use DW as main play-style. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 29 2014, 23:26) *

if they are physical type attacks, otherwise it's MMI to be considered. or did i miss something? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Sorry I don't get what you're saying. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 29 2014, 19:32) *

Well, what else do you expect? Some toplist rankers use DW as main play-style. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

i own a decent shade set but i can't understand how to play PF with it. maybe you need outstanding gear and forge? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) whatever, i just upgraded my power one a bit so i'm quite satisfied for now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 29 2014, 19:32) *

Sorry I don't get what you're saying. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

you said void attacks can be mitigated by PMI, but void attacks can be either magical (ie from celestials, sprites and the majority of schoolgirls) or physical (ie from daimon, sprites and goddesses). sources here and here. are you sure it's only PMI and not also MMI depending on the nature of the attack?
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 30 2014, 00:16) *

i own a decent shade set but i can't understand how to play PF with it. maybe you need outstanding gear and forge? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) whatever, i just upgraded my power one a bit so i'm quite satisfied for now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I'm too lazy right now to write another essay. Some other time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 30 2014, 00:16) *

you said void attacks can be mitigated by PMI, but void attacks can be either magical (ie from celestials, sprites and the majority of schoolgirls) or physical (ie from daimon, sprites and goddesses). sources here and here. are you sure it's only PMI and not also MMI depending on the nature of the attack?

I ran a few tests in the last month. And I found that PMI does mitigate Void attacks, while MMI does not. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 29 2014, 20:23) *

I ran a few tests in the last month. And I found that PMI does mitigate Void attacks, while MMI does not. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

dang, i would've preferred to look for warding pieces: in average i found that PMI on warding armors is still decent, while MMI on protection pieces is quite low
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QUOTE(tetron @ Nov 29 2014, 20:23) *

I ran a few tests in the last month. And I found that PMI does mitigate Void attacks, while MMI does not. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

...Doesn't it depend on whether the void attack is physical or magical?
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...Doesn't it depend on whether the void attack is physical or magical?

exactly what i was saying too
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exactly what i was saying too

Oh, indeed.

I'm not convinced by tetron's words though.

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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Nov 30 2014, 01:05) *

...Doesn't it depend on whether the void attack is physical or magical?

I don't think so.

QUOTE(Dan31 @ Nov 30 2014, 01:30) *

Oh, indeed.

I'm not convinced by tetron's words though.

Solution: Ask Tenboro. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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