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post Jul 29 2014, 23:24
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jul 29 2014, 23:54) *

Maybe some day people will realize the actual reason for the change. I'm not telling.

...It was an accident, wasn't it?
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post Jul 29 2014, 23:42
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My money is on preventing retaliatory downvotes out of spite for being downvoted
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post Jul 30 2014, 00:48
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QUOTE(tiap @ Jul 29 2014, 15:42) *

My money is on preventing retaliatory downvotes out of spite for being downvoted

It doesn't make much sense since there's no way of tracking where "downvoters" themselves commented.
The question stands the same: why should we lose features because of idiots and trolls? I liked being able to see the first row of voting, it made me "feel" the community behind it rather than seeing just an aseptical score.
I'm about 2/3 sad and 1/3 pissed off for this. Mostly sad though. Hate when cute little features get lost in the "big bad project", especially when they've been there for years.

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post Jul 30 2014, 05:28
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Hey, Tenboro, am I allowed to bitch about Auras, free Gold Stars and other cute stuff that disappeared? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Note to sarcasm-impaired people: Yes, it is sarcasm.

Now waiting for the "I've been here for one year longer than you, you cunt" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

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My money is on preventing retaliatory downvotes out of spite for being downvoted
Adding my bet to the pot, tiap, since that's pretty much what I meant. EH: Now with Ponies Texas Hold'em.

Betting some money on instakills after the power changes for the -20 to -50 which really isn't the end of the world. You can still ignore comments you don't want to see.

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post Jul 30 2014, 13:12
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Mika Kurogane, I've been reading you through all this thread and everytime someone voiced some complaint you've always been responding with these sort of obnoxious and grating comments.
I don't expect you to like or agree to the same things I do, but stop making fun of people when you don't. Have some respect for others, especially when they calmly voice their reasons.

I was explaining Tenboro why I felt this change was bad, if "sarcasm" is the only thing you can add then simply don't post. You're not helping anyone.
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post Jul 30 2014, 13:26
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Fair enough.
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post Jul 30 2014, 14:46
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Thank you.
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post Jul 30 2014, 21:02
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post Jul 30 2014, 21:07
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QUOTE(Mant @ Jul 30 2014, 13:12) *
I was explaining Tenboro why I felt this change was bad, if "sarcasm" is the only thing you can add then simply don't post. You're not helping anyone.


And as long as people explain why they feel a change is bad in a calm and reasonable way, and I find another way to deal with $problem, then just maybe they can end up swaying me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jul 30 2014, 22:45
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Bandwidth for the galleries was a problem, H@H was the solution.

Now bandwidth for the archiver is a problem, why not use H@H to solve this problem too?
Ofc. torrents are sort of a solution, but they're messy: users need a separate program, not all torrents reflect the gallery content, sometimes there are no seeders.

So an idea is: let H@H clients serve archives, and reward GP for it. Build an in-browser download manager that can download archives from H@H clients. Keep (or lower) the GP cost for users.

I'm not in a position to decide if this is a good idea or not, i just wanted to mention it. And i do realize it's a lot of work to build.
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post Jul 30 2014, 23:11
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QUOTE(el h @ Jul 30 2014, 22:45) *
why not use H@H to solve this problem too?


It's not quite that easy. H@H wouldn't be able to pull the needed files to actually generate an archive in a reasonable amount of time, so you would still need a centralized server for that. Actually caching the archives would use a lot of disk space that's currently better used to handle more static ranges - a lot of H@H clients run on a VPS which means there's not a lot of spare disk available. Archives over H@H would be a lot more susceptible to reliability issues/interrupted downloads than single images. And it would be very problematic to actually estimate for how long a H@H client would be unavailable or have reduced capacity for its primary task.

H@H really isn't the right technology to handle large downloads. It was made to handle lots of smaller files that can be served relatively fast. Torrents are much more suitable for archives.
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post Jul 30 2014, 23:15
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jul 31 2014, 00:11) *

It's not quite that easy. H@H wouldn't be able to pull the needed files to actually generate an archive in a reasonable amount of time, so you would still need a centralized server for that. Actually caching the archives would use a lot of disk space that's currently better used to handle more static ranges - a lot of H@H clients run on a VPS which means there's not a lot of spare disk available. Archives over H@H would be a lot more susceptible to reliability issues/interrupted downloads than single images. And it would be very problematic to actually estimate for how long a H@H client would be unavailable or have reduced capacity for its primary task.

H@H really isn't the right technology to handle large downloads. It was made to handle lots of smaller files that can be served relatively fast. Torrents are much more suitable for archives.


The idea of captchas has been dismissed rather quickly. But what if we use that only for galleries that hadn't been cached instead of making them super expensive?
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post Jul 30 2014, 23:18
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QUOTE(chaos-x @ Jul 30 2014, 23:15) *

The idea of captchas has been dismissed rather quickly. But what if we use that only for galleries that hadn't been cached instead of making them super expensive?


Because it's added complexity. I'll be reworking how the costs work so that being uncached doesn't add such a massive factor by itself, but again, end of the month.
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post Jul 31 2014, 03:58
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Yay! I can see my Karma in the nice interface now!
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post Jul 31 2014, 05:14
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i can`t find my archives on categorys
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post Jul 31 2014, 05:17
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post Jul 31 2014, 06:05
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I'll make good use of my HV survivor so that it reflects the general EHG atmosfear. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

For those who can't be bothered to read the whole thread:
Please download torrents for the time being. If there isn't any torrent, either be patient or make one.
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post Jul 31 2014, 06:28
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QUOTE(DemonEyesBob @ Jul 29 2014, 05:12) *

I shouldn't laugh, but it's showing up as "free" for me now. Did that seriously cost you 1.5million credits? I never use the auto-accept option, if only so I can tell if I downloaded something earlier in the week and forgot.


You find it free coz i paid for its cash (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
normal price 21*3460=72660
* 10(big gallery with no cach)
* 2(in ex)
---1.45M
and i forgot to check my remained gp before (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

QUOTE(Mika Kurogane @ Jul 29 2014, 01:47) *

Dreamophobia technically got hit by a 110x multiplier this way and that was 1) an accident, 2) not for his own use, 3) just because a friend asked him about this and he wanted to confirm the issue on his side and he had auto-accept, auto-download on for some reason.


In my memory 1 MB cost 21gp or credits, so it should be a 20x multiple. Download cost your credits if your gp is insufficient. I never use download bots.

QUOTE(chaos-x @ Jul 29 2014, 04:26) *

Now hold on there, I was only joking this time. I didn't even know what the whole pineapple thing was even supposed to be.


"boro" sounds like pineapple, in Chinese (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE(LittleSnowBoy @ Jul 29 2014, 02:28) *

大菠萝完全有资金和能力再架设服务器,而且对于我们这些遍布在全球各地的高延迟的下载者来说,他的服务器仅仅 承受每人几十甚至几百K的流量,况且咱又不是时时刻刻都在下... 

人手工正常下载对服务器的压力可以通过扩容解决,甚至根本不需要扩容,因为谁天天下啊,除了那些自动抓图或者下
载的机器人,但是机器人可以通过验证码途径屏蔽,E站应该也没有人去DDOS或者CC,下载节点甚至可以使用廉价的无硬 防的服务器,资金对大菠萝来说一点问题也没有... 


"I think Tenbo has enough servers to afford the traffic of this site. "
Most gallerys the bots downloaded have no cach that means all the visits flood into his main server.
Yeh Ten isn't lack of money but he has no necessary to feed the cheaters.

Anyway, the cost now is absolutely little bit high, especially big documents. Not much for the riches, however normal members can not afford that. So let's see the adjustment then.

Even i lost 1.5m credits i have still not complained yet so why you guys get that serious...(IMG:https://forums.e-hentai.org/uploads/post-1431900-1406780887.jpg)

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post Jul 31 2014, 06:41
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QUOTE(Dreamophobia @ Jul 31 2014, 06:28) *
"boro" sounds like pineapple, in Chinese
Oh, that makes sense now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Thanks a lot for the translation, Dream. Also, yes, the 110x multiplier was the "final one" to try and make it clear to people wondering about credit-to-GP conversion. 20x base, ~5.5x from current exchange rate.

And yes, base cost is about 21/42 GP per MB. Again, you deserve my full respect for taking it like a big boss and keeping your calm, unlike some people here (including myself (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ).

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post Jul 31 2014, 07:12
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QUOTE(Mika Kurogane @ Jul 31 2014, 12:41) *

you deserve my full respect for taking it like a big boss and keeping your calm, unlike some people here (including myself (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ).


Anger and complaint never solve problems, thats what i learned from my countless failures in old days (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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