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Jul 27 2014, 01:03
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NeoASHMAN
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Thanks for the post, I can take that understandably. QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jul 26 2014, 14:39)  -- The archive download cost will now change dynamically depending on how many archives you have downloaded the past week. (This factor will not take effect if the recreation cost modifier was applied.)
For clarification, what is "recreation cost modifier"? I tried looking it up but to no avail.
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Jul 27 2014, 01:06
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@43883
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QUOTE(NeoASHMAN @ Jul 27 2014, 01:03)  For clarification, what is "recreation cost modifier"? I tried looking it up but to no avail. Most likely a hidden feature to prevent abuse. If you outright tell people how the mechanics work, they will tweak their stuff to immediately abuse it again. I assume the more you download when you aren't supposed to, the higher it costs, and that's about it. Technically speaking, recreating causes server work, so anything that isn't cached is likely to cost more. It probably stacks if you cause multiple recreations, as if everyone did the same, that would blow up the server and you'd see Derpy Hooves pulling a hoof digit at you. Experiment. (Seriously, I didn't know people were desperate enough to mass-download galleries they won't even look at. We've got torrents for most shit and the costs are hilariously low when compared to "contribution power" requirements.) PS: Tenboro could also decide to double the cost on home galleries to get rid of that other hidden feature. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) This post has been edited by Mika Kurogane: Jul 27 2014, 01:21
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Jul 27 2014, 01:24
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moonflow
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I wonder what those people do with all the galleries they downloaded indiscriminately.
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Jul 27 2014, 01:28
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@43883
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QUOTE(moonflow @ Jul 27 2014, 01:24)  I wonder what those people do with all the galleries they downloaded indiscriminately. Purely speculative, but likely nothing at all. They're either the typical retards downloading everything and telling themselves "I'll look at that later" without taking the server load into consideration or people actually trying to fuck with the site.
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Jul 27 2014, 02:18
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masquepiph
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QUOTE(Mika Kurogane @ Jul 26 2014, 19:06)  Most likely a hidden feature to prevent abuse. If you outright tell people how the mechanics work, they will tweak their stuff to immediately abuse it again. I assume the more you download when you aren't supposed to, the higher it costs, and that's about it. Technically speaking, recreating causes server work, so anything that isn't cached is likely to cost more. It probably stacks if you cause multiple recreations, as if everyone did the same, that would blow up the server and you'd see Derpy Hooves pulling a hoof digit at you. Experiment.
(Seriously, I didn't know people were desperate enough to mass-download galleries they won't even look at. We've got torrents for most shit and the costs are hilariously low when compared to "contribution power" requirements.)
When I find an artist I like I'll go through ALL of their works since I'm likely to enjoy those as well. That could easily causes numerous 'recreations'. I don't know where you got this idea that people download things and then don't look at them, it kind of looks like you pulled it from nowhere. Obviously the servers haven't blown up yet, and the servers are meant to do work so I don't really see what the problem is. I also have enough credits and GP that I don't need to even bother looking at the cost of a download. I doubt that's the norm, but I obviously have no way to verify that. It's great that there are torrents for people who need them, but no competition compared to the two clicks needed to download a gallery directly. QUOTE(moonflow @ Jul 26 2014, 19:24)  I wonder what those people do with all the galleries they downloaded indiscriminately.
QUOTE(Mika Kurogane @ Jul 26 2014, 19:28)  Purely speculative, but likely nothing at all. They're either the typical retards downloading everything and telling themselves "I'll look at that later" without taking the server load into consideration or people actually trying to fuck with the site.
As has been proven in the last couple of days, stuff does disappear and become much more difficult to find. Some of us have the space and so we have our own archive of stuff we like. Some of us also hate using online readers with a passion. I have the space and bandwidth, so I download everything that's come out in the last couple days that even looks like I might enjoy it, and then peruse it later with MangaMeeyaCE. This post has been edited by DemonEyesBob: Jul 27 2014, 02:28
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Jul 27 2014, 02:31
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sgt_akiyama
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Is the "My Archives" section missing because it has been removed, or is it only a mistake?
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Jul 27 2014, 02:32
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gc00018
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jul 26 2014, 19:39)  - Because an increasing number of people are using scripts to automatically download the archives for all galleries, which is causing a huge increase of the load on the archivers, a couple of cost tweaks have been implemented:
Hope the changes will make the archive download more stable~ (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(moonflow @ Jul 26 2014, 23:24)  I wonder what those people do with all the galleries they downloaded indiscriminately.
They may work for other similar sites, they want the EH's resource for their own profit. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Jul 27 2014, 02:38
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The Archivist
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I mostly save copies of things I like, like images, gifs, CG sets, Doujins, etc. for the purpose of well... keeping it from dying. Archiving. Being able to access it offline.
I barely ever get to DL anything directly from the galleries. Almost all of my few gallery dls were of works that were hard to find elsewhere. Like the translated stuff done by other members here. Filesharing sites are a pain because I don't like waiting to DL, DL limits, premiums etc.
If ever there's something big like Comic Megastore Issues that come out, I try to find fileshares for it instead though. Mostly because I wanted to save up on my creds for buy pots for when I casually drop by the Hverse.
(I've always sucked at games like HVerse. I'm more of an FPS guy/hack & slash that's why I feel bad not having enough enthusiasm to level more and get a higher mod power.)
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Jul 27 2014, 02:47
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LostLogia4
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Hmm, I have All Thumbs and Too Many Pages perk grayed up, which should've added up to 500 Haths if they've been refunded already. Last I checked, it spiked from 100s to 350s... so previous Hath spenders only get half their Haths back? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Jul 27 2014, 03:05
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smt nocturne
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ Jul 26 2014, 17:47)  Hmm, I have All Thumbs and Too Many Pages perk grayed up, which should've added up to 500 Haths if they've been refunded already. Last I checked, it spiked from 100s to 350s... so previous Hath spenders only get half their Haths back? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I'd actually bought the 'More Favorites I' perk earlier today (when it was only 5 hath), only to have 10 hath refunded back. Not that I'm complaining or anything.
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Jul 27 2014, 03:12
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blue penguin
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Maybe Tenboro did only run the scripts for some of the perks, and other scripts for the other perks are to run yet. Be patient. The poor guy coded for 11 hours and is likely asleep right now.
Also, remember that some costs might have changed.
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Jul 27 2014, 03:26
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@43883
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QUOTE(DemonEyesBob @ Jul 27 2014, 02:18)  When I find an artist I like I'll go through ALL of their works since I'm likely to enjoy those as well. That could easily causes numerous 'recreations'. I don't know where you got this idea that people download things and then don't look at them, it kind of looks like you pulled it from nowhere. I tend to generalize a lot, sorry about that if there was a misunderstanding. You weren't the target of that assessment, because we're talking about mass-downloading here, not just checking a single artist. Mass-downloading usually involves a complete siterip. That aside, yes, you could be targeted by recreations while checking an older artist, but that won't do much damage. This is likely intended to completely kill mass-downloading because if it works as I expect it to work, mass-downloaders *will* run out of cash, no matter how much they have. As for checking, you're one of the few exceptions with a brain taking the time to browse what you have downloaded or cached. Most people don't do that and procrastinate instead, possibly causing server damage in the process, but they don't care about that. This post has been edited by Mika Kurogane: Jul 27 2014, 03:29
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Jul 27 2014, 05:04
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Lord Janus
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im having some issues with the thumbnail rows. a long time ago i bought the first thumbnail perk, mainly to see them in larger size. now with this update, im supposed to have 10 rows now, but everytime i apply the change, whenever i go to a gallery it still shows 4. go back to settings, and notice that it reverted to 4. i can still see large thumbs
This post has been edited by Lord Janus: Jul 27 2014, 05:04
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Jul 27 2014, 06:00
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NeoASHMAN
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QUOTE(Mika Kurogane @ Jul 26 2014, 18:06)  Most likely a hidden feature to prevent abuse. If you outright tell people how the mechanics work, they will tweak their stuff to immediately abuse it again. I assume the more you download when you aren't supposed to, the higher it costs, and that's about it. Technically speaking, recreating causes server work, so anything that isn't cached is likely to cost more. It probably stacks if you cause multiple recreations, as if everyone did the same, that would blow up the server and you'd see Derpy Hooves pulling a hoof digit at you. Experiment.
I don't know why you're telling me to experiment, it was more of an informational question than anything. QUOTE(Mika Kurogane @ Jul 26 2014, 18:06)  (Seriously, I didn't know people were desperate enough to mass-download galleries they won't even look at. We've got torrents for most shit and the costs are hilariously low when compared to "contribution power" requirements.) PS: Tenboro could also decide to double the cost on home galleries to get rid of that other hidden feature. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) If you're referring to those who script download everything and shamelessly repost them on forums/blogs for their own benefit, then I'm with you; it pisses me off. But saying everyone does only to not look at it is unfair. Being able to read offline my favorite artists/cirlces on my viewer of choice (tablet) is why I archive. Since a number of new releases/english translations for my favorite artists/circles come out on any given day, it's easier to just archive it and read it later at my own leisure. The torrent advice is well appreciated though, so thanks for that. This post has been edited by NeoASHMAN: Jul 27 2014, 06:01
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Jul 27 2014, 06:07
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Noneyabusiness
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QUOTE(Mika Kurogane @ Jul 26 2014, 17:06) 
(Seriously, I didn't know people were desperate enough to mass-download galleries they won't even look at. We've got torrents for most shit and the costs are hilariously low when compared to "contribution power" requirements.)
I'm probably one of the bad people since I'm only home every other weekend and download the galleries I've favorited throughout the previous two weeks when I'm at home. I don't always have Internet and by time I'm home I've usually gone through the galleries I've downloaded and kept the ones I like. GP really isn't an issue for me but I'll be more selective in what I download now. Either way, nice patch Tenboro!
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Jul 27 2014, 06:17
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quazkov
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https://e-hentai.org/archiver.php is down. I have like 10 archives active... This post has been edited by quazkov: Jul 27 2014, 06:31
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Jul 27 2014, 06:46
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@43883
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QUOTE(Noneyabusiness @ Jul 27 2014, 06:07)  I'll be more selective in what I download now. That's what I think is the intended effect of this patch in addition to blatant abuse prevention. QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jul 26 2014, 21:39)  Because an increasing number of people are using scripts to automatically download the archives for all galleries, which is causing a huge increase of the load on the archivers Highlighting the important stuff. To keep whatever I started short, it'll probably only really hit the mass-scripters and that's about it and yes, Neo, that "experiment" was more like a "wait and see". Sorry about this, it was poorly phrased in an effort to avoid things (and backfired because done wrong as usual). Wait for Tenboro to tell you the truth about that GP cost change. The archivers are back, by the way, and that one post above mine might be related. This post has been edited by Mika Kurogane: Jul 27 2014, 06:56
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Jul 27 2014, 07:05
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Zellmer
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jul 26 2014, 14:39)  - Because an increasing number of people are using scripts to automatically download the archives for all galleries, which is causing a huge increase of the load on the archivers
Hmm, that explains a lot. There's SO MANY sites that just dl everything on e-hentai's front page and re-post it to pay per download sites.. This post has been edited by Zellmer: Jul 27 2014, 07:07
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