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Sex oriented tags, like 'anal' or 'paizuri', are given less precedence over appearance related tags, like 'big breasts' or 'stockings.'

Now, this is not as noticeable in some gallery types as it is in others. CG sets and larger galleries rarely receive vetoes, simply by virtue of having more pictures. However, Manga and Doujinshi suffer from this disparity heavily. A particular sexual fetish can often be what makes an otherwise vanilla story stand out, and this policy can make finding those fetishs more difficult than it needs to be.

I am aware that the policy is that if something is not featured on a majority of pictures, that it's to be downvoted. The problem is that most of the appearance related tags can be discerned by a glance at the thumbnails. I have never used the 'big breasts' tag. Not once. Why would I need to? If you can't spot big breasts in a thumbnail, you need your eyes checked. What they're DOING, you know, the stuff we might actually care about if we take the time to look through the gallery, why should a tag be wasted on those? I know this is kind of stupid to say on a hentai site, but it's shallow. It's a system that favors appearance over content; judging books by their covers.

This particularly irks me because E-Hentai is perhaps the greatest database of Hentai on the web. For it to not give equal attention to sex (that is pornographic-related) tags, is utterly backwards. Furthermore, other major hentai sites, such as Fakku or Doujin-Moe, focus more on content. Granted, they do have more of a focus on manga and doujinshi. Even so, user-friendliness is not somethingthat should be secondary to arbitrary page requirements.

Though I do not pretend that everyone on the site shares my views, this is NOT an unpopular opinion. Every time I have commented to this effect on galleries, I have received more upvotes than downvotes. So please, consider this. And if others share my opinion, add your voices to my own.

This post has been edited by memnarch: Jul 23 2014, 00:11

OK you stated your opinion, now it can be ignored by the internet.

Most important is what can you describe that can fix the problem you're trying to describe. Being able to describe the problem in objective terms is a first step: saying that "appearance tags have higher precedence than sexual tag" is vague because there are no formal definitions of "precedence", "appearance tag" or "sexual tag".

What they're DOING, you know, the stuff we might actually care about if we take the time to look through the gallery

And who the fuck is "we" in this case? You just said that big breasts aren't something anyone cares about (since it can be gleaned) and I think quite a few people will dispute that.

It's a system that favors appearance over content

Attributes are just as much fetishes as activities are and therefore count as "content".

user-friendliness

You're comparing this site to ones where the users have no say in what tags a gallery receives.

The tag "Big breasts" is good, used it alot. If i dont want a -milf or a -loli but a girl with some, then i just add the Big breasts.

Furthermore, other major hentai sites, such as Fakku or Doujin-Moe, focus more on content.

Just so you know, i cant find shit on Fakku even if i use their new Tags (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
I can find what i want on g.e-hentai.org just by tags.

This post has been edited by Kuro Neko: Jul 21 2014, 22:33

memnarch crawl back under your rock and ... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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Ban all the users. That might sort out the user based tagging system.

Ban all the users. That might sort out the user based tagging system.

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Well I was thoroughly disappointed by the thread as usually when someone starts an 'elephant in the room' thread there is some sort of racist rant demanding that certain ethnic groups get banned for the good of the site. That's usually good for a laugh and a half.

Let's change the language of the website, maybe it will stop these babies from using it.

Every time I have commented to this effect on galleries, I have received more upvotes than downvotes. So please, consider this.

More people like Justin Biebers singing than those that dislike it. Doesn't mean his singing is any good. So please, consider this.

Came for elephants... Op, you disappoint me.

Is it possible to search by setting a tag power threshold? I see the low power option but can't recall for the other case.

Let's change the language of the website, maybe it will stop these babies from using it.

+1

I don't know why I expected people to act less juvenile than the average 4chan user. Serves me right, I guess.

What solutions do I think could work?
-Getting rid of moderation power. Everyone gets the same vote.
-Allowing sufficient votes to undo a veto (I believe this used to be the policy).
-Creating separate tag sections for attributes and sex acts.

And who the fuck is "we" in this case? You just said that big breasts aren't something anyone cares about (since it can be gleaned) and I think quite a few people will dispute that.
Attributes are just as much fetishes as activities are and therefore count as "content".
You're comparing this site to ones where the users have no say in what tags a gallery receives.

'We' in that case was a reference to E-Hentai users. I probably should've used 'one' instead.

I said big breasts wasn't a tag that I needed. I can see how some might need it, as I know some characters, like those in Touhou, are depicted with both large and small breasts. But on the whole, if I'm looking for a specific character or an artist, I either know what the character looks like or I know how the artist tends to draw characters. That's just me.

I agree, I may have exaggerated by not including attributes in that definition, in order to create a good metaphor.

Yes, Doujin-Moe and Fakku users have no say in what tags a gallery uses. I think the fact that they are more consistent with sex oriented tags, in spite of that, is what bothers me. For as much say as users have here, this issue is a constraint on an otherwise good system.

What my issue boils down to is this: if one person with high mod power downvotes a tag, it's more difficult to find the content that tag directs to. It is not user friendly to make something harder to find than it needs to be. Especially if that something is porn.

-Getting rid of moderation power. Everyone gets the same vote.

Yaoi tag in shemale galleries, yaoi tag in every shemale gallery.

-Allowing sufficient votes to undo a veto (I believe this used to be the policy).

See above.

-Creating separate tag sections for attributes and sex acts.

Have you any idea just what a mess that would make when trying to search using that? Here:
Search: "female:oral:blowjob" "female:age:milf" "female:age:lolicon" "female:clothing:stockings"

It's be a nightmare for both users and the system.

-Getting rid of moderation power. Everyone gets the same vote.

This introduces a huge problem with bots: I can spool 100 amazon virtual instances, create an account with each of them and get 100 votes.

-Allowing sufficient votes to undo a veto (I believe this used to be the policy).

Same issue as above

-Creating separate tag sections for attributes and sex acts.

This is a valid/discussable suggestion. Yet, as chaos-x pointed out already, it need a lot of thought to not end in a mess. Still a valid suggestion if it can be thorough elaborated.

What my issue boils down to is this: if one person with high mod power downvotes a tag, it's more difficult to find the content that tag directs to. It is not user friendly to make something harder to find than it needs to be.

Why is that a problem? I'm extremely grateful that when I search for some good yaoi with crossdressing I do not find an 700 page anthology with one panel of yaoi and two pages of crossdressing.

I don't know why I expected people to act less juvenile than the average 4chan user. Serves me right, I guess.

Its just an old debate, this site is not a single image search engine, the system should ensure that tags guarantee that there is a sufficient degree of content in a gallery that can be found and it has to be simple and consistent enough to work with users across multiple languages. The pros and cons have been discussed at great lengths on the vigilante board.

Bringing it up like its something people have not discussed won't get an entirely seriously response because its an indication you have ignored an entire sub-forum with information on the topic.

I was going to use the word egocentric, but I think I will stop short of that.

memnarch if you dont like e-h, fakku or dm, then you are free to make your own Little hentaipage with
total Chaos and bot running wild

memnarch if you dont like e-h, fakku or dm, then you are free to make your own Little hentaipage with
total Chaos and bot running wild

Hey! I do not run around.

As you can see by my post count, despite being a member for six years , I have not often frequented the forums. Thus my ignorance. Still, what is the internet for if, if not for sharing one's uninformed opinions with the world? And porn, of course.

I don't know how many people determine site policy. I guess I hoped that it would be more akin to Wikia, where most everyone is free to make edits (in this case tags) and the Wikia mods enforce policies, which can be altered based on votes by the community (at least in my experience).

I'll throw out a couple more ideas before I content myself with going back to making snarky comments on galleries criticizing ridiculous, obstructing vetoes and feeling vindicated when dozens of people upvote my utterly insignificant comment.

If a uniform set of separate categories, like I suggested (and which chaos-x deemed to complex), would a set of tagging systems for each gallery type work better? For instance, image sets, which are already usually built around a particular theme, whether it be an artist, fetish, or what have you, might have fewer tagging options than another type of gallery.

And another thing which I couldn't properly articulate before is that a single page in a small gallery has more weight, more worth to it, in my eyes than in a larger gallery. Its percentage of the overall gallery is certainly higher. I'd like to be able to see this more reflected in the tags.