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post Jun 21 2014, 12:32
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QUOTE(gc00018 @ Jun 20 2014, 04:55) *

But I found I don't have any luck in any kind of gambling, so I stoped buying it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

It seems that your luck is specialized in Chaos Token. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jun 21 2014, 12:58
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I feel no one in HV-land has figured out the proper near-invincible char-stats (Attack Damage/PMI/MMI/Spec Mits/Block%) for Estoc-Heavy to use in GF. Is it even possible? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Jun 21 2014, 14:50
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Jun 21 2014, 06:58) *

I feel no one in HV-land has figured out the proper near-invincible char-stats (Attack Damage/PMI/MMI/Spec Mits/Block%) for Estoc-Heavy to use in GF. Is it even possible? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


vriksa used this set the other day to clear hellfest with no pots:

QUOTE(VriskaSerket @ Jun 5 2014, 02:54) *

just tried my new heavy set:
85 pmi, 75mmi, 5500 damage (compared to my old 80/70/5000)

Legendary Ethereal Estoc of the Illithid new
Legendary Plate Helmet of Protection
Legendary Mithril Plate Cuirass of Protection new
Legendary Mithril Plate Gauntlets of Protection
Peerless Jade Plate Greaves of Protection new
Magnificent Power Boots of Slaughter

died on 150 round PFUDOR due to lack of mana. (endless cure after ~120 round)
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although i don't know if he ever tried BTfest after that
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post Jun 21 2014, 15:15
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QUOTE(something @ Jun 21 2014, 21:50) *

vriksa used this set the other day to clear hellfest with no pots:
although i don't know if he ever tried BTfest after that


Thanks for the post link.

Just as I feared.... 2H estoc still not as strong as 1H. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

My set (1 Slaughter power) provides 6747 damage, 81.1 PMI/74.6%MMI/17.2%block, I only got to 102rnds on PFUDOR. Not even close to being invincible. Maybe I will try all Plates, but doubt it still.

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post Jun 21 2014, 15:20
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Jun 21 2014, 21:15) *

Thanks for the post link.

Just as I feared.... 2H estoc still not as strong as 1H. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

My set (1 Slaughter power) provides 6747 damage, 81.1 PMI/74.6%MMI/17.2%block, I only got to 102rnds on PFUDOR. Not even close to being invincible. Maybe I will try all Plates, but doubt it still.

i have tested 2H with my estoc and find that 2H is weaker than 1H in both survivability and clear speed.
Tested: full power slaughter, full leather of protection, full shade (mix), full plate of protection.
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post Jun 21 2014, 15:38
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jun 21 2014, 00:02) *

They get eaten by the item shop if you sell them, so there's no point in having a bot entry for them.

I'd forgotten about the elixirs, should probably remove those.

But... don't they still drop?
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post Jun 21 2014, 15:39
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become a monster trainer and u'll get the good stuff (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)


I'd rather have access to cheap and unlimited stat boosting items with no upper limit and the ability to evade/parry/90% resist anything and everything 4+ times in a row, thx.

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post Jun 21 2014, 17:11
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QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Jun 21 2014, 13:38) *

But... don't they still drop?


I think he means HP MP SP ones no last?
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post Jun 21 2014, 21:56
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But... don't they still drop?


They still drop. But they still get nom'd.
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post Jun 21 2014, 23:29
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They're going to spend hundreds or thousands of hours grinding, and possibly hundreds of dollars on stars and H@H. If they have money, $100 is a small amount to pay to ensure that they won't lose it all again if they're ever proved to be a banned user.

If they ever get banned, why bother with the $100 when a new identity is infinitely cheaper and easier? The hundred dollar scheme would only hurt the banned user since they would already be suspect to being banned yet again (once a crook, always a crook sort of thing).
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post Jun 21 2014, 23:51
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QUOTE(AntiGod @ Jun 21 2014, 17:29) *

If they ever get banned, why bother with the $100 when a new identity is infinitely cheaper and easier? The hundred dollar scheme would only hurt the banned user since they would already be suspect to being banned yet again (once a crook, always a crook sort of thing).


New identity means leaving behind a ton of good equips on the banned account. IDK, maybe some people value virtual equipment on the internet.
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post Jun 22 2014, 00:47
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New identity means leaving behind a ton of good equips on the banned account. IDK, maybe some people value virtual equipment on the internet.

There's no reason to reward rich banned users. If anyone is banned and given access back to their account, all stats/equip would be wiped. Also another reason for 10B not to implement this because it's just a whole lot of work for not much gain.
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post Jun 22 2014, 02:12
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So we can reset our accounts by getting banned on purpose? Count me in.
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post Jun 22 2014, 03:43
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So we can reset our accounts by getting banned on purpose? Count me in.


New account means you don't have to get banned >_>;;
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post Jun 22 2014, 05:01
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QUOTE(something @ Jun 21 2014, 12:50) *

vriksa used this set the other day to clear hellfest with no pots:
although i don't know if he ever tried BTfest after that

just done training ability points for weaken.
+ some forge, will try BTfest Soon™
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post Jun 22 2014, 13:13
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Jun 21 2014, 20:15) *

Thanks for the post link.

Just as I feared.... 2H estoc still not as strong as 1H. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

My set (1 Slaughter power) provides 6747 damage, 81.1 PMI/74.6%MMI/17.2%block, I only got to 102rnds on PFUDOR. Not even close to being invincible. Maybe I will try all Plates, but doubt it still.


why don't ask to jenga or stony , sloth (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I think they are best melee around in HV ( but they use light set not heavy ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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post Jun 23 2014, 00:29
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QUOTE(AntiGod @ Jun 21 2014, 21:29) *
The hundred dollar scheme would only hurt the banned user since they would already be suspect to being banned yet again (once a crook, always a crook sort of thing).

So you were permanently damaged by the v_ting thing and are going to be back on a new account?

Especially since the main point of HV is to collect money for the site, finding a way to punish H@H top-10 users enough and let them keep contributing should be considered. What about account reset plus $25 x number of bans? But they can afford more anyway. The ones who can't afford a $100 fine don't really matter, which is why I set it there; it's only intended to open a door to retain a select few users without making it too cheap... for their willingness to spend. The others can come back on "a new IP" and get banned again because they didn't know all the things that can be used to correlate them. The ones who got caught (yes, of course, "everyone gets caught") aren't likely to be net-fu wizards.

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post Jun 23 2014, 01:39
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QUOTE(mechafujoshi @ Jun 22 2014, 18:29) *

So you were permanently damaged by the v_ting thing and are going to be back on a new account?

Especially since the main point of HV is to collect money for the site, finding a way to punish H@H top-10 users enough and let them keep contributing should be considered. What about account reset plus $25 x number of bans? But they can afford more anyway. The ones who can't afford a $100 fine don't really matter, which is why I set it there; it's only intended to open a door to retain a select few users without making it too cheap... for their willingness to spend. The others can come back on "a new IP" and get banned again because they didn't know all the things that can be used to correlate them. The ones who got caught (yes, of course, "everyone gets caught") aren't likely to be net-fu wizards.

Permanently damaged.. Interesting choice of phrasing. Anyway, I've forfeited my right to participate in voting so that's something me and my account will have to live with.

No amount of money should be able to "fix" personal integrity issues. If they're really all that "willing" to spend as you say, then they should be equally if not moreso "willing" to comply with the rules. Life has rules and subsequent consequences for breaking them, why should the internet be any different?
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post Jun 23 2014, 01:48
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As in reputation permanently damaged.

It's not about principle, it's about maximizing profit. And I did include consequences for breaking the rules. If they're still one of your more valuable customers, you can give them a whack and get them back in line rather than shooting them.
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post Jun 23 2014, 02:12
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QUOTE(mechafujoshi @ Jun 22 2014, 19:48) *

As in reputation permanently damaged.

It's not about principle, it's about maximizing profit. And I did include consequences for breaking the rules. If they're still one of your more valuable customers, you can give them a whack and get them back in line rather than shooting them.

I invite you to read this. Specifically the part about Immunity.
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