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post Jun 27 2014, 19:40
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QUOTE(jenga201 @ Jun 28 2014, 01:28) *

Correct me if i'm wrong. Doesn't the theft happen @5% per turn? Which would mean i need to keep that mob alive for those turns.

Getting ripened soul and casting drain isn't really a problem. The problem is keeping the mob alive.

Misread your post. So yeah.. theft isn't feasible for 2H.

If you cast it 1st, you get raped by all mobs. If you wait till the last couple mobs, they won't stay alive.

You do not need to keep the monster alive.
It works similar to Ether Tap.

However, it is not for 2H. The defense of 2H is too weak, even for you. I doubt a fully forged armors set can help much.

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post Jun 27 2014, 19:58
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QUOTE(cavecricket48 @ Jun 27 2014, 04:01) *

Bullshit. All the good gear that's not needed gets salvaged.

Bullshit. There're enough players who just sell their stuff at the Bazaar. I played enough and I know what I'm talking about.
QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jun 27 2014, 06:29) *

Have you seen the CP's price? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

We're talking about magicians' gears here. If you want suppa-druppa uber Legendary-Peerless belongings, then save your credits up. As for "ordinary" (but quite, QUITE playable!) gears, you can easily buy 'em or even take it for free. 30-50-100k x 5 + 100-150k for the staff. 400-600k in total. "it is expensive" my ass. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Jun 27 2014, 21:27
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jun 27 2014, 19:40) *

You do not need to keep the monster alive.
It works similar to Ether Tap.

may you explain it better?
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post Jun 27 2014, 21:30
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jun 27 2014, 13:40) *

You do not need to keep the monster alive.
It works similar to Ether Tap.


Pretty sure that's not accurate. If the monster is dead, there is no HP/SP leech.
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post Jun 27 2014, 21:36
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jun 28 2014, 03:27) *

may you explain it better?

QUOTE(jenga201 @ Jun 28 2014, 03:30) *

Pretty sure that's not accurate. If the monster is dead, there is no HP/SP leech.

It seems I have made mistake. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
Since I only use it on SG.

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post Jun 28 2014, 02:51
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Is skywaterboy the only one buying noodles now? Dont know why he's buying at 55k since no one is really competing with him... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jun 28 2014, 05:13
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Jun 28 2014, 08:51) *

Is skywaterboy the only one buying noodles now? Dont know why he's buying at 55k since no one is really competing with him... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


no, Muka_muka is also buying at 55k
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post Jun 28 2014, 06:14
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QUOTE(Laboq @ Jun 27 2014, 13:58) *

Bullshit. There're enough players who just sell their stuff at the Bazaar. I played enough and I know what I'm talking about.


Don't be dumb. Why the hell would I buy exquisites when I could just buy the mid grade mats by themselves at a much lower per-unit price and in bulk?
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post Jun 28 2014, 06:37
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QUOTE(cavecricket48 @ Jun 28 2014, 04:14) *

Don't be dumb. Why the hell would I buy exquisites when I could just buy the mid grade mats by themselves at a much lower per-unit price and in bulk?


To help distribute wealth to the moogles of course. Who do you think we are really fighting here? They have a lot of wounded warriors that need support.
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post Jun 28 2014, 06:39
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QUOTE(cavecricket48 @ Jun 28 2014, 06:14) *

Don't be dumb. Why the hell would I buy exquisites when I could just buy the mid grade mats by themselves at a much lower per-unit price and in bulk?

Same to you. I'm just telling that "magicians' stuff is expensive" argument is a myth. Part of people get some kind of pleasure out of whinning about that. I do remember old HG, MG, potions etc price. 60-70k for HGwood, 2500c for MGM, up to 40c for mana p, up to 100k for a good non-ethereal exqs and about 400+k for an ethereal club, etc. Now THAT was expensive for me as a newbie. Spoiled kids. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Jun 28 2014, 06:44
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QUOTE(Laboq @ Jun 28 2014, 00:39) *

Same to you. I'm just telling that "magicians' stuff is expensive" argument is a myth. Part of people get some kind of pleasure out of whinning about that. I do remember old HG, MG, potions etc price. 60-70k for HGwood, 2500c for MGM, up to 40c for mana p. Now THAT was expensive for me as a newbie. Spoiled kids. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


The fuck is this shit? Are you trying to prove your primacy by tenure or use of esoteric terms? Mage stuff IS expensive, the prices in auctions as well as individual WTS and WTB threads are proof enough compared with the same for melee gear. Hell, you could compare the sale of lottery tickets and instantly conclude mage gear is in much higher demand and has a correspondingly increased price.

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post Jun 28 2014, 06:57
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QUOTE(cavecricket48 @ Jun 28 2014, 06:44) *
Mage stuff IS expensive

Only for hobos. Super-Legendary and Peerless stuff is expensive regardless of class. And it will be.
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Hell, you could compare the sale of lottery tickets

Nothing but the speculative price. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
As I said before: if you want to buy cheap gears or get it for free, you CAN do it. Or you can keep whine about your hard life.

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post Jun 28 2014, 07:02
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QUOTE(skillchip @ Jun 27 2014, 21:37) *

To help distribute wealth to the moogles of course. Who do you think we are really fighting here? They have a lot of wounded warriors that need support.



We are really fighting each other in a very convoluted method of PvP. Lol. (Purely personal opinion there)

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post Jun 28 2014, 07:05
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QUOTE(Laboq @ Jun 28 2014, 00:57) *

Only for hobos. Super-Legendary and Peerless stuff is expensive regardless of class. And it will be.


Jesus christ you don't get it. That's like someone not familiar with Georg Cantor's work saying "But two different infinite series will both go infinity, so there's no difference!" With someone of your "experience" you'd realize that if you had a max upgraded legendary/peerless staff and a max upgraded legendary/peerless melee whatever, the staff will be multiple degrees more expensive.

QUOTE(Laboq @ Jun 28 2014, 00:57) *

As I said before: if you want to buy cheap gears or get it for free, you CAN do it. Or you can keep whine about your hard life.



Roflmao. You think I have credits lying on the ground wherever I go? You think I intentionally live this "hard life" nonsense you speak of? What's wrong with you?
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post Jun 28 2014, 07:14
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QUOTE(cavecricket48 @ Jun 28 2014, 07:05) *

Jesus christ you don't get it.

"Jupiter, you are angry, therefore you are wrong". Doublepost my ass. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jun 28 2014, 07:15
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QUOTE(Laboq @ Jun 28 2014, 01:14) *

"Jupiter, you are angry, therefore you are wrong". Doublepost my ass. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


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post Jun 28 2014, 07:59
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QUOTE(Laboq @ Jun 28 2014, 14:39) *

Same to you. I'm just telling that "magicians' stuff is expensive" argument is a myth. Part of people get some kind of pleasure out of whinning about that. I do remember old HG, MG, potions etc price. 60-70k for HGwood, 2500c for MGM, up to 40c for mana p, up to 100k for a good non-ethereal exqs and about 400+k for an ethereal club, etc. Now THAT was expensive for me as a newbie. Spoiled kids. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Melee can function well with exq stuffs. Heck even sup functions well.

Mage need mag+ to do anything. The difference between MMAX and EMAX in phase is pretty huge, and so is the price gap.

And that HG Wood price was driven up by mages to forge their staff for the most part. Don't be ridiculous.

QUOTE(Laboq @ Jun 28 2014, 03:58) *

Bullshit. There're enough players who just sell their stuff at the Bazaar. I played enough and I know what I'm talking about.

We're talking about magicians' gears here. If you want suppa-druppa uber Legendary-Peerless belongings, then save your credits up. As for "ordinary" (but quite, QUITE playable!) gears, you can easily buy 'em or even take it for free. 30-50-100k x 5 + 100-150k for the staff. 400-600k in total. "it is expensive" my ass. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Those are exquisite price. I'd like to see you try clearing PFUDOR arena with unforged exquisite phase. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Jun 28 2014, 08:28
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jun 28 2014, 07:59) *
Mage need mag+ to do anything.

Another myth. Only staff and Robe on my current (main) set are mag. And I can do about 20-40 rounds x PFUDOR arena + 100 rounds x Hell arena.

QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jun 28 2014, 07:59) *
I'd like to see you try clearing PFUDOR arena with unforged exquisite phase. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

My all phase were unforged. Until now. My monster brought me CP, so I made L1 upgrade for the Magnificent Robe. Mostly for the test purpose. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Jun 28 2014, 08:58
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QUOTE(Laboq @ Jun 28 2014, 16:28) *

Another myth. Only staff and Robe on my current (main) set are mag. And I can do about 20-40 rounds x PFUDOR arena + 100 rounds x Hell arena.


That's pitiful compared to what you can do at your level with unforged exquisite 1H.

I'm talking about clearing PFUDOR T&T and 60 rounds IW, back when I switched to 1H with a balance rapier at level 300 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) No forging, no OFC

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post Jun 28 2014, 09:06
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QUOTE(Laboq @ Jun 28 2014, 15:28) *

Another myth. Only staff and Robe on my current (main) set are mag. And I can do about 20-40 rounds x PFUDOR arena + 100 rounds x Hell arena.
My all phase were unforged. Until now. My monster brought me CP, so I made L1 upgrade for the Magnificent Robe. Mostly for the test purpose. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

TBH doing T&T on Hell at your level can be done with any fighting style, including even 2H + cotton or staff + leather.
We should consider PFUDOR arena only here... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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