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post Jun 26 2014, 18:07
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FYI he has at most 19,731 magic score at his current level, 405.
MD 3740, Crit 43.5%, crtdmg 54%, EDB 327.22%
(with lmax EDB staff + mmax + mmax + mmax + lmax 50x forged for each gear.)

And IIRC treesloth had 20~21k score (dunno when)

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post Jun 26 2014, 18:42
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Jun 27 2014, 00:07) *

FYI he has at most 19,731 magic score at his current level, 405.
MD 3740, Crit 43.5%, crtdmg 54%, EDB 327.22%
(with lmax EDB staff + mmax + mmax + mmax + lmax 50x forged for each gear.)

And IIRC treesloth had 20~21k score (dunno when)

I think magic score should be normalized by average mobs' hp at his level, or it cannot reflect the actual killing power.
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post Jun 26 2014, 18:53
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Jun 26 2014, 13:29) *

Assuming his average turn to clear a PFUDOR round is 20


Faster than 20, but you do need to be focus~

(So I just play x6. much more relaxed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jun 26 2014, 19:30
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jun 27 2014, 01:42) *

I think magic score should be normalized by average mobs' hp at his level, or it cannot reflect the actual killing power.

HP of mobs at 405 level and that at 421 (treesloth's level) is 421/405 = x1.0395 different, so I think his 19731 is almost same to treesloth's 20510 score in terms of HP vs killing power.
Of course, I know that there are other things like cure bonus as gc mentioned before or defensive stats that should be considered besides the pure firepower on high difficulty. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(gc00018 @ Jun 27 2014, 01:53) *

Faster than 20, but you do need to be focus~

(So I just play x6. much more relaxed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Hmm, maybe about 15 turn on average?
BTW that's exactly why I'm doing IWBTHfest more than PFUDORfest now. For relaxed. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Jun 26 2014, 20:20
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One question:
What does that say about the balance between mage and melee? *whistle~*
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post Jun 26 2014, 20:37
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QUOTE(cirrux @ Jun 26 2014, 14:20) *

One question:
What does that say about the balance between mage and melee? *whistle~*


You could always say that, because mage gear is more expensive, that's the balance (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jun 26 2014, 20:50
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Jun 27 2014, 00:04) *

23.91. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
BTW it was lmax-0.04 at the moment of the older version of wiki, and mmax now.


One of my Leg Slaughter armors was like that also... Legmax in older wiki, but then lower in newer wiki.... what happened?

QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Jun 27 2014, 02:30) *

HP of mobs at 405 level and that at 421 (treesloth's level) is 421/405 = x1.0395 different, so I think his 19731 is almost same to treesloth's 20510 score in terms of HP vs killing power.


Strangely, I can't get even near 1000 rnds (22k score now/ I'm sure GC and others have 24+k score). Combination of slow cast speed, high cast cost? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Plus there is huge room for improvement for me. Edit::: Also elemental mage is stronger against regular mobs, due to better imperil, so his 19k score > my 22k score.

I can kill most mobs within two spells (T3 then T2)... then use imperil for the last several, resilient monsters, that's probably how he plays.

Is wind mage so powerful? I would lend my holy gear to hitokiri or n125 or dannix, they can compare wind vs holy.

QUOTE(cirrux @ Jun 27 2014, 03:20) *

One question:
What does that say about the balance between mage and melee? *whistle~*


It's most likely due to this new single mob/owner/rnd patch. No way mage can get past 5-6 of GC In Memory mobs in the later rnds of PFU GF.

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post Jun 26 2014, 21:07
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Jun 27 2014, 03:50) *

One of my Leg Slaughter armors was like that also... Legmax in older wiki, but then lower in newer wiki.... what happened?

I once thought that we've just not found any lmax AD for a while, but the wiki value is changed to lmax -> mmax, mmax -> exmax, so I guess it would be a secret? pacth to power slaughter's ADB roll.

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It's most likely due to this new single mob/owner/rnd patch. No way mage can get past 5-6 of GC In Memory mobs in the later rnds of PFU GF.

The patch also makes me can go PFUDORfest deeper than ever. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jun 27 2014, 01:31
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QUOTE(cirrux @ Jun 26 2014, 18:20) *

One question:
What does that say about the balance between mage and melee? *whistle~*


The conclusion has been made long time ago: Nerf melee and buff mages~ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Jun 26 2014, 18:50) *

Is wind mage so powerful? I would lend my holy gear to hitokiri or n125 or dannix, they can compare wind vs holy.


At least compare among element mages to reduce complexity and error.
(also, it is not fair for holy~)

Just compare holy with dark, they are same in system. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jun 27 2014, 01:54
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Since people tend to play mage if they have a lower turn rate, one thing that could be done is to increase the real time required to cast damage spells from 0.25 seconds so that mage could be officially specialized for long ping, but wouldn't become unbalanced in the hands of people who can get the full 4 turns/s.

Or if that's too drastic, then just adapt one or two of the six elements to work that way.
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post Jun 27 2014, 02:19
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QUOTE(cavecricket48 @ Jun 25 2014, 18:51) *

At least you guys have the damn thing >_> I've gotten a single figurine dropped in the entire time I've spent aware of the HV minigame (my pathetically small number of others were all somehow sniped from the shop from foolish nerds who wanted to sell theirs)


I got mine from a raffle.
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post Jun 27 2014, 02:31
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QUOTE(cavecricket48 @ Jun 26 2014, 20:37) *
mage gear is more expensive, that's the balance (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Fockin myth. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Also, you can get good gears and staff as a drop or just buy it at the Bazaar.
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post Jun 27 2014, 04:01
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QUOTE(Laboq @ Jun 26 2014, 20:31) *

Fockin myth. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Also, you can get good gears and staff as a drop or just buy it at the Bazaar.


Bullshit. All the good gear that's not needed gets salvaged.
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post Jun 27 2014, 06:29
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QUOTE(Laboq @ Jun 27 2014, 10:31) *

Fockin myth. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Also, you can get good gears and staff as a drop or just buy it at the Bazaar.


Have you seen the CP's price? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jun 27 2014, 07:01
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It would be cool if there was a (probably small) chance of getting rare bindings from salvaging the respective armor types that require them for upgrading.
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post Jun 27 2014, 07:05
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QUOTE(jenga201 @ Jun 26 2014, 17:09) *

Well, I don't even.

I wasn't using any shards/scrolls, but I would still expect to be in closer competition to a wind mage.

My defense -should- be much much higher in all aspects. If I get 1shot often, how does he not?

Maybe all that matters is the scrolls.


Your stuff lacks END, a lot of forging/IW, this mage is full forged and surely spends more than 100k in infusion/scrolls/shards to complete his PFUDOR GF. But yeah scrolls matter a lot.

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post Jun 27 2014, 07:26
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post Jun 27 2014, 09:17
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How are you seeing other players' stats, equipment, etc.?
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post Jun 27 2014, 10:51
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QUOTE(oohay @ Jun 27 2014, 07:17) *

How are you seeing other players' stats, equipment, etc.?


They are willing to share.

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post Jun 27 2014, 10:52
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Windfuried..

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