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post Apr 3 2014, 14:45
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Apr 3 2014, 21:00) *

The best way to "contribute" to the site is to throw money at it.
Uploads and other stuff are less important and therefore give less rewards.


Well tbh, if there was no H@H/adopt a slot, maybe EH might cease to exist?? I barely don't see ANY ads on this site. How the hell does Tenboro even pay the bills??

And if you gave more GP/hath for uploading, due to the floating of hath and GP to credits, it might probably will equilibrate the wrong way for you. i.e., more GP/hath in the system means they will be worth much less in credits.


Actually this gallery:

https://e-hentai.org/stats.php?gid=688350&t=a8d00035c2

(in the 3days it has been up) has generated >30x more GP than my 5stars, and about 6x more GP than my H@H/slots. So it is quite profitable to upload.....

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post Apr 3 2014, 14:50
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Apr 3 2014, 14:00) *
No, I understand, I just didn't want to say it directly:

The best way to "contribute" to the site is to throw money at it.
Uploads and other stuff are less important and therefore give less rewards.


That's the second most retarded thing I've read all day. Money is nice and buys things like servers and bandwidth, but there are roughly ten times more active H@H clients than there are active Adopt-a-Server slots. They make up a very small amount of the total Hath/GP dished out by that system.

The best way to contribute, sans quote marks, is to do whatever you are capable of that helps the site in any way. If you have a fast internet connection or spare capacity on a server, H@H is an excellent way to do so. On the other hand, as I was alluding to in my initial post: playing HV is not contributing, it's just playing a game. So stop whining about actual contributors gaining advantages.
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post Apr 3 2014, 14:59
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Apr 3 2014, 04:00) *

The best way to "contribute" to the site is to throw money at it.
Uploads and other stuff are less important and therefore give less rewards.

And if it was the other way around the site would be 503ing every 10 minutes. Even museums pay the rent before they pay for more art; it's called priorities.
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post Apr 3 2014, 15:21
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ Apr 3 2014, 19:40) *

However, I'm so confused about it. Is there a thread for new uploaders to ask questions? For example: there are just so many galleries, I don't want to upload a dupe; there are different groups arguing about keeping raws/translations private; how do you prevent others from dupe uploading your galleries? What if you upload a gallery that someone posted a bounty for... Just so many questions have prevented me from doing any uploads, period.


You can probably ask those who upload a lot, like Lord of Evil.

QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 3 2014, 20:27) *

So there will be no HV Easter 2014? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)


For god's sake, it's still two weeks till Easter.
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post Apr 3 2014, 15:26
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QUOTE(varst @ Apr 4 2014, 00:21) *

For god's sake, it's still two weeks till Easter.

But we usually have Easter Event before the actual Easter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) (usually the easter patch came at end of March)

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post Apr 3 2014, 15:48
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QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Apr 3 2014, 20:59) *

And if it was the other way around the site would be 503ing every 10 minutes. Even museums pay the rent before they pay for more art; it's called priorities.


I wish there was a way to know how long the site would last if every single uploader suddenly decided to not upload anything for a year.

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post Apr 3 2014, 15:50
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 3 2014, 03:26) *

But we usually have Easter Event before the actual Easter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) (usually the easter patch came at end of March)



Stop competing with Rei for who can go full retard first.


QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Apr 3 2014, 03:48) *

I wish there was a way to know how long the site would last if every single uploader suddenly decided to not upload anything for a year.



Based on how traffic was still strong on the allyourbase website six years after they stopped adding content, I'd hazard a guess that this site would continue for 5-10 years assuming sustainable server costs.

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post Apr 3 2014, 15:56
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Apr 3 2014, 20:50) *

The best way to contribute, sans quote marks, is to do whatever you are capable of that helps the site in any way. If you have a fast internet connection or spare capacity on a server, H@H is an excellent way to do so. On the other hand, as I was alluding to in my initial post: playing HV is not contributing, it's just playing a game. So stop whining about actual contributors gaining advantages.


And you still keep missing my point. Which is asking for greater rewards for uploading.
I'm not saying make it x100 what the H@H guys are making, but atleast make it have an impact on the uploader. 10k GP yearly for an average gallery isnt worth shit.

QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Apr 3 2014, 21:50) *

Stop competing with Rei for who can go full retard first.


And here we have the latest member of the AK club.
edit: And wow, your sig's even a quote from Tenboro himself. Nice.


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post Apr 3 2014, 15:56
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Apr 3 2014, 05:48) *

how long the site would last

Popularity doesn't pay the bills, Tenboro does; so the site stays as long as he does so.

Interesting side note: the most popular galleries of all time are mostly from mid-2011 to mid-2013.
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post Apr 3 2014, 16:17
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Apr 4 2014, 00:50) *

Stop competing with Rei for who can go full retard first.


But you already won (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Seriously, wtf are you getting aggressive with me for anyway?
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post Apr 3 2014, 17:51
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QUOTE(n125 @ Apr 1 2014, 10:14) *

Going with the streak of bad luck suggestion myself, but I'm surprised at how uncommon Amnesia Shards are.

The whinning power™! Now I have 3 amnesia shards. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Apr 3 2014, 19:47
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Apr 3 2014, 15:56) *
10k GP yearly for an average gallery isnt worth shit.


If you ever posted a gallery that didn't make more than 10k GP in a year, the gallery itself was indeed utter shit.

As it is, the average total GP gain from galleries you have posted was 101080 GP. And you only have 49 galleries that are more than a year old - your average gallery age is in fact 319 days. But I suppose outright lying about what you get does make your argument sound better.

Comparatively, the average H@H client gets around 12 hits per minute, but this is heavily skewed towards faster clients. Assuming you are in the middle of the pack and it runs all day, you would get 17k GP per day. Which means that if you took the time to upload a single gallery every six days, on average, you would get more GP than you would by keeping H@H running 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

But of course, real data and sensible arguments simply do not work on certain people, so I'm not expecting much.
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post Apr 3 2014, 20:54
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Apr 4 2014, 01:47) *

If you ever posted a gallery that didn't make more than 10k GP in a year, the gallery itself was indeed utter shit.

As it is, the average total GP gain from galleries you have posted was 101080 GP. And you only have 49 galleries that are more than a year old - your average gallery age is in fact 319 days. But I suppose outright lying about what you get does make your argument sound better.

Comparatively, the average H@H client gets around 12 hits per minute, but this is heavily skewed towards faster clients. Assuming you are in the middle of the pack and it runs all day, you would get 17k GP per day. Which means that if you took the time to upload a single gallery every six days, on average, you would get more GP than you would by keeping H@H running 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

But of course, real data and sensible arguments simply do not work on certain people, so I'm not expecting much.


Lying about what? Most galleries get the biggest amount of visits when you first upload them.
That's why I tried uploading a bunch of hcg galleries to see if it was worth the time to track and rip them.
Like somebody else said, it takes just a few rounds of playing HV to surpass whatever GP reward you get from uploading.

And again, you're ignoring the fact that Servers give both Hath AND GP. Which is the problem because the HV market is being dominated by the Hath Barons. Nobody ever complained about an uploader dominating the lottery or the auctions. It's always the big-shot rich Hath dude who gets to set the prices on whatever they want.

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post Apr 3 2014, 21:04
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Apr 4 2014, 01:17) *

Seriously, wtf are you getting aggressive with me for anyway?

Mainly because you're an annoying little shitstain.
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post Apr 3 2014, 21:15
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Apr 3 2014, 20:54) *
Lying about what? Most galleries get the biggest amount of visits when you first upload them.


You were lying about the amount of GP your galleries get during a year. Of course they are going to get most visits while they are fresh, but they still get more than 10 times what you claimed.

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That's why I tried uploading a bunch of hcg galleries to see if it was worth the time to track and rip them.
Like somebody else said, it takes just a few rounds of playing HV to surpass whatever GP reward you get from uploading.


And if that is true, it would similarly take just a few rounds of playing HV to surpass whatever GP reward you get from H@H.

QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Apr 3 2014, 20:54) *
And again, you're ignoring the fact that Servers give both Hath AND GP. Which is the problem because the HV market is being dominated by the Hath Barons. Nobody ever complained about an uploader dominating the lottery or the auctions. It's always the big-shot rich Hath dude who gets to set the prices on whatever they want.


Which brings us back to bandwidth, electricity, etc. People are even renting servers to run H@H, which would never happen otherwise. But the discussion started with, and is about, the amount of GP you get from running H@H in the context of dominating the lottery - not the Hath.

Besides, you get what, 10 hath/day without lifting a finger? You have absolutely no reason to complain about anything. Despite its origin, hath is far from exclusive to H@H.
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post Apr 3 2014, 21:19
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QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Apr 3 2014, 09:56) *

Popularity doesn't pay the bills, Tenboro does; so the site stays as long as he does so.

Interesting side note: the most popular galleries of all time are mostly from mid-2011 to mid-2013.


top 4/5 have pregnancy

I know what I'm uploading! PREGNANT PONIES ALL DAY ERRDAY

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post Apr 3 2014, 21:39
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Apr 3 2014, 18:54) *

Which is the problem because the HV market is being dominated by the Hath Barons. Nobody ever complained about an uploader dominating the lottery or the auctions.

People can sit there and upload, and get some amount of virtual money for it, or they can (potentially, of course, depending on the person) go out and get a real job which pays far more per hour, then rent servers. It's not surprising if income from servers is more scalable than income from uploading, and it's not something that could really be "fixed" except by paying uploaders far more than market rates for their labor.
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post Apr 3 2014, 22:10
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Apr 4 2014, 03:15) *

You were lying about the amount of GP your galleries get during a year. Of course they are going to get most visits while they are fresh, but they still get more than 10 times what you claimed.

All right, 10kGP was an exaggeration, but the average gallery will still not give enough GP to be able to compete with the Hath Barons in the lottery or in the market.
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And if that is true, it would similarly take just a few rounds of playing HV to surpass whatever GP reward you get from H@H.

But not the hath. Otherwise, the lottery would be much more even instead of a select few hath barons placing over and over.
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Which brings us back to bandwidth, electricity, etc. People are renting servers to run H@H, which would never happen otherwise.

I would argue that uploading sometimes require funds (Buying/scanning/ripping/etc takes time and money), but if you're really decided that H@H is the ultimate contribution, then fine.

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Besides, you get what, 10 hath/day without lifting a finger?

At the cost of years of service to the site, yeah. It does make one feel a little under-appreciated when years of various contributions to the galleries is easily surpassed by one just throwing money at the site.

But whatever, I'll shut up now. I'm done causing my yearly ruckus lol.
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post Apr 3 2014, 22:15
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Apr 3 2014, 15:10) *

I would argue that uploading sometimes require funds (Buying/scanning/ripping/etc takes time and money)


How many uploaders do you think are the actual scanners?
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How many uploaders do you think are the actual scanners?


Probably 5 scanners, and 5 rippers. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

C'mon work with me here, I'm trying to get more GP for the average guy to spend in the lottery and nobody wants to support my side. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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