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The ability to convert GP into Credits would be my guess. Specifically, the fact that the overall amount of GP is reduced by the lottery means that there's a smaller amount of credits available, fighting against inflation. Aside from Legendary equipment being more common, which would also reduce the price (and by extension Noodles, since Legendary equipment is what they're for).

I wasn't talking about converting GP to credits, you could do that before at 10/1 ratio(iirc).
I'm talking about how GP was practically worthless until the lottery came along.

In lotteries the equipment is usually a legendary with quality/pxp higher then 99% of all player dropped legendaries, this already makes player drops less good and worth less.
And noodles barely drop legendaries anymore so it shouldn't even be worth 65k, and if you do get one it's gonna be worth less thanks to lottery legendaries.

Now imagine on average a lottery gives out 10-15 tokens of blood & chaos every day...twice.
The blood tokens will be used on FSM or TTT and in addition to getting a noodle it will also have a chance at mag or leg drops as arena clear bonuses eventually saturating the market further.
It might be more economical to buy GP instead of buying noodles or legendary drops from other players.
This will lower the income of everyone, but mostly affects the poor >LVL300 players.

The chaos token prize will make it harder for everyone since now people have more incentive to focus all their crystals on 1 monster, a lucky guy that wins 50 tokens like vriska did will probably immediately dump 10 crystal packs or more into a giant and start building it up to make our lives harder.

Inflation in this game is stupidly fast, you should ask the older players for prices a year or two ago.
A free market driven by capitalism will always implode due to greed and corruption.

The same is happening all around the world, higher cost of living vs same wage.
In the past you could live better then you can now for less money which is ironic.

Lowering inflation helps new players who otherwise could not afford new gears and matts anymore.

You're misunderstanding, it's not about new players buying legendary equipment, it's about mid-level's not getting the same as before from selling their occasional legendary drops.
Even the high level players with maxed out training's aren't even bothering to sell them anymore, although hilariously they still keep them overpriced so nobody buys them anyway.

This post has been edited by Pillowgirl: Apr 3 2014, 10:46

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I agree with some of what you say... Inflation is pretty high; noodles are still 65k (prob going up), equipment are getting even more pricey every week/auction.

But what to do with all the GP generated? The site is growing in viewership and members (the world is in a constant state of fappery? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)), which means more GPs and hath generated from files viewed/downloaded, credits earned, and so on. Whereas the USA can print a fixed amount of money we need (depends on our budget every year), there is no 'budget' in EH.org. More people means more inflation; that is good for the website, but bad for poor HV players.

The lottery is a way for players to get nice equipment. Maybe in place/addition of/to lottery, players can spend GP to increase drop rates of equipment, increase quality of drops, and increase timed duration of either. The cost would have to be exponential.

This post has been edited by treesloth16: Apr 3 2014, 11:11

I wasn't talking about converting GP to credits, you could do that before at 10/1 ratio(iirc).
I'm talking about how GP was practically worthless until the lottery came along.

In lotteries the equipment is usually a legendary with quality/pxp higher then 99% of all player dropped legendaries, this already makes player drops less good and worth less.
The noodles barely drop legendaries anymore so it shouldn't even be worth 65k, and if you do get one it's gonna be worth less thanks to lottery legendaries.

Now imagine on average a lottery gives out 10-15 tokens of blood & chaos every day...twice.
It might be more economical to buy GP instead of buying noodles or legendary drops from other players.
This will lower the income of everyone, but mostly affects the poor >LVL300 players.

The chaos token prize will make it harder for everyone since now people have more incentive to focus all their crystals on 1 monster, a lucky guy that wins 50 tokens like vriska did will probably immediately dump 10 crystal packs or more into a giant and start building it up to make our lives harder.

Inflation in this game is stupidly fast, you should ask the older players for prices a year or two ago.
A free market driven by capitalism will always implode due to greed and corruption.

The same is happening all around the world, higher cost of living vs same wage.
In the past you could live better then you can now for less money which is ironic.
You're misunderstanding, it's not about new players buying legendary equipment, it's about mid-level's not getting the same as before from selling their occasional legendary drops.
Even the high level players with maxed out training's aren't even bothering to sell them anymore, although hilariously they still keep them overpriced so nobody buys them anyway.

Oh, okay.
The chaos token part, I think it only affects you if you're playing on borderline difficulty, otherwise, I think that better monsters = better drops, I play at hell so just take this statement with a pinch of salt.

Well, about player drop legendaries decreasing in value, I think this might be good. Mostly people who get leg drops are high level players with high LOTD or noodle shriners which are all rich people, so decreasing leg. prices actually benefits the middle-income players by making it more affordable.

I agree with you about inflation but you must know this is not natural, its not capitalism.

It's mighty obvious that TenB is doing some thinly veiled facebook-style money for coins scheme.
It's not even a contribute to win, its a pay 2 win. Uploaders and taggers actually earn less than grinding.

Sure, some people say its not pvp but let's see those people stay out of the WTS forums and auctions.
Sure, you could argue about saturation and stuff but can you deny that it doesn't give these people an edge?

The problem is that H@H is overly rewarding that grinding can't possibly keep up.
As such the H@Hers driver inflation up to their standards, causing the grinders with their small income to suffer.

I said this a while ago, but I'm going to put my suggestion here again:
- Income from H@H follows a logarithmic function, the more haths and GPs you earned, the harder it is to earn your next hath.
- Income from grinding follows an exponential function, the more you grind, the more rewarding grinding is.
- Adopt-a-server rates back to the old one.
- Any income from MongleMail is taxed, following a linear function based on amount earned.

It's mighty obvious that TenB is doing some thinly veiled facebook-style money for coins scheme.
It's not even a contribute to win, its a pay 2 win. Uploaders and taggers actually earn less than grinding.

The problem is that H@H is overly rewarding that grinding can't possibly keep up.
As such the H@Hers driver inflation up to their standards, causing the grinders with their small income to suffer.

This website is not run on 'geocities' like back in the '90s, or desktop-turned-server on your home cable internet. It's full scale, top-end, dedicated servers with 1Gbps-10Gbps bandwidth. One server can cost >$500 USD/month, and there probably are many many servers. I think HV alone requires its' own servers. It is BIG money, believe me.

If there was no H@H or adopt a slot, Tenboro/admins would have to buy more servers (~25% ? more). In a time where other hentai sites fail, this one is succeeding; alot of the limitations of having a worldwide audience is bandwidth. H@H and adopt a slot should be rewarding bc it keeps EH's overhead down (translates to real dollars), which allows them to focus on making the site better.

And grinding is profitable. Just look at Vriska and GC00018.

This post has been edited by treesloth16: Apr 3 2014, 12:13

- Income from H@H follows a logarithmic function, the more haths and GPs you earned, the harder it is to earn your next hath.
- Income from grinding follows an exponential function, the more you grind, the more rewarding grinding is.

So people should get logarithmic gain from contributing and exponential gain from doing jack shit.

That's the most retarded thing I've read all day. And I've been to the Bitcointalk altcoin forum.

The problem is that H@H is overly rewarding that grinding can't possibly keep up.

Dude, real grinders gain millions of credits each day.

So people should get logarithmic gain from contributing and exponential gain from doing jack shit.

That's the most retarded thing I've read all day. And I've been to the Bitcointalk altcoin forum.

But Tenboro you are not being considerate of the egocentric people's feelings, its not fair if only they think of themselves all day.

Alternate reply:

Yeah, Altcoin is pretty retarded, people should never go full retard.

The problem is that H@H is overly rewarding that grinding can't possibly keep up.
As such the H@Hers driver inflation up to their standards, causing the grinders with their small income to suffer.

The people who run H@H or adopt servers deserve to have good reward.
On the other hand, HV is a credits/GP sink. It is reasonable to make HV drop less credits.
If I could adjust the reward for different kind of contribution, I would increase the reward for uploaders. I think they should get more.

It's still lame that uploaders get ridiculously low amounts of rewards.
Seriously, there's no incentive to upload stuff for rewards anymore.
If you ask me, uploaders should gain as much or even more compared to those doing H@H.

If you ask me, uploaders should gain as much or even more compared to those doing H@H.

The total GP gain for uploads is almost exactly the same as the total GP gain for H@H.

The total GP gain for uploads is almost exactly the same as the total GP gain for H@H.

But without the 7 Hath a day reward.

But without the 7 Hath a day reward.

And? People are whining about GP. Hath wasn't being discussed.

You have to be running a decently high traffic server to get 7 hath/day. Which costs actual money in bandwidth and electricity, leased or no. You're not going to get people doing it at this scale out of the goodness in their hearts.

Not to mention, you can get a permanent hath/day bonus from uploading (and other stuff!), via the end-of-year awards. So I have no idea what the hell kind of point you're trying to make.

And? People are whining about GP. Hath wasn't being discussed.

You have to be running a decently high traffic server to get 7 hath/day. Which costs actual money in bandwidth and electricity, leased or no. You're not going to get people doing it at this scale out of the goodness in their hearts.

Hath is directly related to the GP complaints. It's why people with zero uploads but with tons of servers are benefiting more from their contributions than people who actually upload stuff.

It's like the value placed on server costs is a thousand times more important than the site's actual contents.

It's still lame that uploaders get ridiculously low amounts of rewards.
Seriously, there's no incentive to upload stuff for rewards anymore.
If you ask me, uploaders should gain as much or even more compared to those doing H@H.

Actually, I am considering doing uploads now because GPs from galleries always come in, even after uploading/posting and forgetting about it.... whereas rewards from H@H stop once you quit...

However, I'm so confused about it. Is there a thread for new uploaders to ask questions? For example: there are just so many galleries, I don't want to upload a dupe; there are different groups arguing about keeping raws/translations private; how do you prevent others from dupe uploading your galleries? What if you upload a gallery that someone posted a bounty for... Just so many questions have prevented me from doing any uploads, period.

On the other hand, HV is a credits/GP sink. It is reasonable to make HV drop less credits.

The idea is that credits is the currency that's mostly handed out through HV. Since it's floated against Hath and GP, in theory it should all be self-balancing with regards to the level of effort it takes to acquire each one.

Hath is directly related to the GP complaints.

Funny how I haven't seen people make that connection, then. Besides, the most arduous whiners just clamor to have HV dispense GP as well.

It's like the value placed on server costs is a thousand times more important than the site's actual contents.

Not to mention, you can get a permanent hath/day bonus from uploading (and other stuff!), via the end-of-year awards. So I have no idea what the hell kind of point you're trying to make.

And servers are fucking expensive. I've done the math for the cost to have the image content served up by a commercial CDN. You have not. It's in the six to seven figure US$ range. Per month.

Actually, I am considering doing uploads now because GPs from galleries always come in, even after uploading/posting and forgetting about it.

It gives so little that its not even funny. Sure, the first week or month of your upload, it will get a lot of GP.
After that, you'll get something like 20k hits a year.
Which translates to 0.5 GP per hit. (H@H gives you 1 GP per hit.)

See this for an example, its one of my older uploads. I barely get any GP from it.
https://e-hentai.org/stats.php?gid=181121&t=23db49b4b8

And servers are fucking expensive. I've done the math for the cost to have the image content served up by a commercial CDN. You have not. It's in the six to seven figure US$ range. Per month.

Fine, fine. Paying for shit is actually a bigger contribution than uploading the shit that people actually came to the site for.

Fine, fine. Paying for shit is actually a bigger contribution than uploading the shit that people actually came to the site for.

I don't usually accuse people of lacking reading comprehension, but the only alternative is that you're outright ignoring what I'm saying.

I don't usually accuse people of lacking reading comprehension, but the only alternative is that you're outright ignoring what I'm saying.

No, I understand, I just didn't want to say it directly:

The best way to "contribute" to the site is to throw money at it.
Uploads and other stuff are less important and therefore give less rewards.

I've done the math for the cost to have the image content served up by a commercial CDN. You have not. It's in the six to seven figure US$ range. Per month.

And your latest estimate of actual cost of running E-Hentai is 100000 yearly. That means H@H reduces your costs 100 times. Wow...just wow. Hat tip to you for such ingenious system.

This post has been edited by Paarfi: Apr 3 2014, 14:04

So there will be no HV Easter 2014? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)