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i don't agree. maybe it could be colapsed on less lines but it's in my opinion it isn't so despersive.

Sure keep the sig on the main post and subsequent reply posts but it doesn't need to be in all the item lists what would be the point in that?

as for stats, i think that not all newbies know the meaning of base stats: they still should open the popup to translate into their own levels (hands high for who is able to do it mentally tongue.gif ), but actually an indication of PABs wouldn't be so bad...

Even a newbie can figure out a higher base stat is better than a lower one in most cases, opening every item type in a shop to compare stats can become very tedious when you could be able to simply compare straight from the item list especially when the item count starts increase.

Also wouldn't things look better with armor sorted into their respective categories instead of slot placement such as

Power
Helmets
Body
etc

Plate
Helmets
Body
etc

Should make searching a little quicker

This post has been edited by Homicidalsage: Mar 2 2014, 01:52

Sure keep the sig on the main post and subsequent reply posts but it doesn't need to be in all the item lists what would be the point in that?
Even a newbie can figure out a higher base stat is better than a lower one in most cases, opening every item type in a shop to compare stats can become very tedious when you could be able to simply compare straight from the item list especially when the item count starts increase.

Also wouldn't things look better with armor sorted into their respective categories instead of slot placement such as

Power
Helmets
Body
etc

Plate
Helmets
Body
etc

Should make searching a little quicker

It would look better like that, yes but due to the list order HV MiniShop produces it would more than double the time spent updating the shop listings. I do agree that at least listing the PABS an item has is a good idea, but have no idea how to do this as we have to use raw javascript rather than simple markup language since to keep unique items numbers the same we're restricted to using the EID.

Even a newbie can figure out a higher base stat is better than a lower one in most cases, opening every item type in a shop to compare stats can become very tedious when you could be able to simply compare straight from the item list especially when the item count starts increase.

The thing is that newbie doesn't what base stat should be higher, and even non-newbies don't really agree what should be the best base stats. Also different type of equipment has different importance on base stats.

It would look better like that, yes but due to the list order HV MiniShop produces it would more than double the time spent updating the shop listings. I do agree that at least listing the PABS an item has is a good idea, but have no idea how to do this as we have to use raw javascript rather than simple markup language since to keep unique items numbers the same we're restricted to using the EID.

Isn't that the whole point of having staff members couldn't you assign a couple people who's job it is to solely keep that stuff updated.

Maybe assign different people to different categories such as someone doing only the heavy armor another solely in charge of doing one handed weapons and so on, if there is low numbers to update on their respective categories they could help pick up he slack in other areas, or if someone isn't keeping up fire them and get someone else.

You should consider hiring people like that solely on focusing in a certain area.

The thing is that newbie doesn't what base stat should be higher, and even non-newbies don't really agree what should be the best base stats. Also different type of equipment has different importance on base stats.

Yeah but the lowest level the shop seems to selling to is lvl50 by then most people know the stats they'd prefer to have higher over the importance of others.

As soon as it becomes a chore to update, people will lose interest since they're not actually getting paid and donating time from the goodness of their hearts. I work in Quality Management and the biggest thing I've learned over the years is "Keep it simple"

The level 50 requirement is under debate, I need to work out just how fast someone can get there and how easily... It might be dropped to 30 or lower. The reason is a lot of level 10 players exist who take free stuff, use it once and then quit the game because it's "boring". By the time they reach level 50 they will understand all about the game and its boringness and if they still want to play they are much more likely to carry on and in turn end up donating back to the free shop.

IMO it's easier to control the quality of the incoming equipment than requiring new players to read through the stats. On the other hand though, listing them may make them wonder what that is so they'd ask other players, which is a good thing as it promotes integration into the community.

Level 30 seems to be better, for multiple reasons. (appearing of custom monsters, days to reach that level, arena start to get longer, etc)

As soon as it becomes a chore to update, people will lose interest since they're not actually getting paid and donating time from the goodness of their hearts. I work in Quality Management and the biggest thing I've learned over the years is "Keep it simple"

engineer here (though unemployed atm), so i only can share this way of thinking

Isn't that the whole point of having staff members couldn't you assign a couple people who's job it is to solely keep that stuff updated.

Maybe assign different people to different categories [...] or if someone isn't keeping up fire them and get someone else.

You should consider hiring people like that solely on focusing in a certain area.

sure, this could be another good idea, but even without considering we should be at least 6 almost-full-time-available members (shields and staffs aren't too much of a bother after all), what if the 2H-man suddenly connects only once in a week after an assiduous partecipation and the leather one twice in a day? for now we're trying to figure out what could be the global work, the first one who connects does a bit of work, the second one another bit, a real matter would be internal communications, don't know if there is a sort of chat, and still we live in different time zones... btw, personally i go by senders and not by categories (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
also, keep in mind that Real Life isn't a matter of 3 tokens: don't know exactly what are animeai's criterions, but personally i wouldn't assume/fire people as the weather changes...

keep the sig on the main post and subsequent reply posts but it doesn't need to be in all the item lists what would be the point in that?

you know, i tried it without and don't convince me, it's a bit too naked...
let's see what other people think about it, but i would keep it, since IMO it has also the utility to create a sort of break-out: when you see sig, that's EOL. though it's really a bit too long, maybe we should seriously collapse it...


finally, as for the stats matter, +1 to what holy_demon said:

The thing is that newbie doesn't what base stat should be higher, and even non-newbies don't really agree what should be the best base stats. Also different type of equipment has different importance on base stats.

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Mar 2 2014, 13:48

Methinks you may lack categories; I count 119 total


Also, irc #FreeSHop

This post has been edited by Lement: Mar 2 2014, 16:57

Also, irc #FreeSHop

I actually run my own irc network, but which particular network were you thinking of?

Same one #e-hentai is on, atm. irc.rizon.net, as it is the default. Atm empty for but me.

This post has been edited by Lement: Mar 2 2014, 17:14

1. Cloth technically includes the old gossamer but I see where you're coming from XD Next time I update the table I'll probably change that.

2. That's correct. Ethereal staffs are nowhere near as valuable as elemental staffs as they don't have bonus spell damage. Although there is an issue there, "Exquisite" should read 5 not 15 lol.

3. Hmmm I was a bit dramatic with that one wasn't I XD. I'll redo the table before we open up. So far no shields have been donated (apart from a couple of sup force from me)

1.) I was going to say "who would donate a retired armor", but then this happened "[17363458] - Magnificent Gossamer Shoes of the Elementalist".
     Did you donate that, just to make your point? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Well, I guess instead of "leather" we should say "Light" on the table then.
     And, I guess instead of "Shield" we should say "Shield/Power". Or, "Shld/Pwr" if you want to keep the column width down.

2.) I Have played a mage for most of my HV life, and I think Eth is better than Ele IMO (even for staffs).
     I use spells to take care of most of the mob, but I would prefer to have void damage & void strike (both with no mitigations) to finish off the stragglers & bosses.
     So, I think we should value Eth Staffs the same as Eth Weapons. But, I'm just the help. You're the boss. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

3.) I think we should also accept Sup Ele Shields. Even if only at 1 ticket each. Why you hatin' on the shields? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Did they run over your dog? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

4.) I thought we didn't accept these kinds of "plain" Sup Equipment?

     [39214590] - Superior Rapier of Slaughter
     [41052866] - Superior Willow Staff of Focus
     [40848359] - Superior Kite Shield of Dampening
     [40835443] - Superior Kite Shield of Protection

     It doesn't bother me, mind you. I'm just trying to help keep everything in order. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

EDIT: I also think you should change the title of this thread to "Free SHop Questions/Suggestions/Staff Applications". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by Elven Ranger: Mar 2 2014, 19:07

1.) I was going to say "who would donate a retired armor", but then this happened "[17363458] - Magnificent Gossamer Shoes of the Elementalist".
     Did you donate that, just to make your point? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Well, I guess instead of "leather" we should say "Light" on the table then.
     And, I guess instead of "Shield" we should say "Shield/Power". Or, "Shld/Pwr" if you want to keep the column width down.

3.) I think we should also accept Sup Ele Shields. Even if only at 1 ticket each. Why you hatin' on the shields? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Did they run over your dog? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

4.) I thought we didn't accept these kinds of "plain" Sup Equipment?

     [39214590] - Superior Rapier of Slaughter
     [41052866] - Superior Willow Staff of Focus
     [40848359] - Superior Kite Shield of Dampening
     [40835443] - Superior Kite Shield of Protection

     It doesn't bother me, mind you. I'm just trying to help keep everything in order. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

EDIT: I also think you should change the title of this thread to "Free SHop Questions/Suggestions/Staff Applications". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

1.) same problem here, i didn't know how to deal with when i put it in list, so i created the section (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
and if you really want to know who was, it's tracked in MMs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

3-4.) i don't see shields as friendly for dogs actually (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
however it should have been my work too. again don't know how to deal with, so for now i added them. still don't understand how an average piece went in list, as was pointed out (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
btw, i think superior equip are not so bad afterall, especially for newbies and since many godslayers or dovahkiins still use some of them. maybe 1 or 2 tickets for an elemental/ethereal or a 4PABs item could serve good...

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Mar 2 2014, 19:37

Methinks you may lack categories; I count 119 total

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
not wanting to seem lazy, but we should cathegorize till that point? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
IMO the actual bazaarish one is good to go

EDIT: Illithid, these unknown... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Mar 2 2014, 19:36

Hm. I'm not sure we should stock Estocs much perhaps, because for the given levels they aren't very useful. Rapiers, yes, but estocs not so much.

@Elven Ranger: From my notes with mage score, a prefix on staff boosts it's strength by about a quality in the prefix's element.

Also, I personally think that useful armor prefixes should be > elemental armor prefixes, which are overvalued in the table.

@Screamaz: Any superfluous categories you see? AnimeAi on IRC did think that Balance Clubs is not necessary.


This post has been edited by Lement: Mar 2 2014, 20:09

IMO...those in bold should be stocked regularly.
- plate/leather: only protection's useful (and we can generate tons of them already).
- power: no warding
- shade: arcanist is kinda meh, but it's acceptable
- phase: Hm....
- Shield: just protection/barrier/nimble
- club/axe: slaughter only
- dagger/shortsword/waki: no illithid
- rapier: every rapier may be useful depending on stats
- Estoc: Hm....not that useful for now, but stocking some slaughter ones isn't a bad idea
- longsword/katana/mace: just slaughter
- staffs: every staff can be useful....arguably

Of course, every Mag/Leg can be useful. The above list applies to sup/ex equips only.

This post has been edited by varst: Mar 2 2014, 20:56

Might as well keep mainhand everything slaughter and everything else. Yeah, Illthid isn't common/needed enough for separate category.

Shield, mit only on Force shields I think? And Everything Else per default to keep stock of highest quality shields.

Armor, I think Prot and Dampening/Deflection/Stoneskin should be lumped together.

Staff, no prof suffixes.

This post has been edited by Lement: Mar 2 2014, 21:25

If you want to add stats and can all agree on a "generic sample" of how the free shop listing should look, I can produce a tool* to make updating the shop a whole lot easier.
In other words: if you had only one button to click, what would you want it to output?

Don't limit it to the constraints of the shop helper script I made a while back (output, sorting, organization, etc.)
MSH was a rushed attempt to accomodate a wide range of use scenarios, and doesn't particularly excel at any one of them.

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*It'll be based off of [pastie.org] this unfinished script; [i.imgur.com] picture of it in-action.
No frills, no thrills, but it has access to the same amount of equipment information as MSH.
I would basically tack on a textarea to the right and spit out the desired BBCode for the entire inventory.

Usage:
- Click on the Stamina text to activate the interface
-- It updates the inventory when accessed outside of battle pages, and provides a cached copy in-battle
- Displays base stat values on-hover for equipment, descriptions for items
- Click on equipment to activate a pop-up window (equivalent of pressing 'c')

Scremaz: Any superfluous categories you see? AnimeAi on IRC did think that Balance Clubs is not necessary.

lol, i thought you wanted us to catalogate every item we recieved in those categories rather than axe-club etc etc

let's say that to eradicate a category would mean that in some ways we don't allow players to donate something or to play with a style. if one has a really good club of balance and another would like to play with rapier on main and club on offhand - why not?
the table given by animeai seems to me already significative without any need to complicate it, if we find that something isn't really helpful we can simply return the item or sell it to have a bigger prize like animeai told for non-ticket-worthy items:

• If an item sent to us does not qualify for tickets (IE It does not meet the requirements of the table below) we will either return the mooglemail to sender or reserve the right to sell the item to the bazaar.

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Mar 2 2014, 21:59

Scremaz: I and AnimeAi agree that there should be "Uncategorized" category for each, so that Magnificent Clubs of Balance don't just get discarded (But the "Why not" is because it is far more inferior to the opposite). But the problem with the table AnimeAi provided is that it doesn't discriminate between suffixes, which are pretty important thing whether you have phase or club.

Function for determining ticket value of an equip [pastebin.com] here, there has got to be easier way to make that array than the one used.

This post has been edited by Lement: Mar 2 2014, 22:52

From the script Lement is making it should (once finished) auto-accept all donations and allocate/count the tickets for it, potentially to the point of updating the ticket count post automatically O_o (not something I thought would be easy lol)

@ctxl Lement is also writing a script that will with one click auto update each of the categories with the latest stock and tie in with his queued mooglemail sender script https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=3073573 - perhaps you two could talk (both he and I are in #freeshop on irc.rizon.net at the moment) and share the work? If there are any costs incurred for your services I'm more than happy to meet them (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)