[X] My Assistant

Sorry to burst your bubble when you seem so happy to not have to help me anymore, but I still have the right to my compensation I wasn't level 200 back then for what I'm compensated for. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Bedsides I only leveled up because Colman said it would help clear things up here for me, was that a lie, a trick or are you just messing with me now? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

You can skip this "quote" I won't be the least bit offended It's not really important and I went on longer than i intended and I don't want to or have the energy to check the spelling and language in general so it might be hard to read, sorry the next "quote" is even less important. But my gift to you is that you can probably find tons of spelling mistakes, bad grammar and general bad language use to tease my about in your next post. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
This post whole became a LOT longer than I intended when I started writing it especially this part and it's not really important (plus I don't want to or have the energy to check the spelling and language in general so it might be hard to read and I certainly won't be offended f you skip this quote, but I stated reminiscing of some really good years of my life. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
I hope this doesn't come across as patronizing cause it's not my intent I just trying to explain this as clearly and short as I can:
I know how to argue with facts and logic (In fact i make part of my living on it), like the scientist I am and not like an American politician with lies, attacks and tons of logical fallacies.That s no fun for me, I prefer to argue with like minded people. (not those who necessary agree with me but those who actually can debate logically, like on serious debate sites)

You still treat me like I'm some greedy bastard I've really tried to be polite to you and have you finished counted the tickets of those over 400 (Definitely not all low tier, some really good stuff there, value-vise it's almost incomparable in value to what I have already received from FSH, still very grateful though to both receive and give help (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ) items I donated, I wonder how much you had donated at my lvl? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

And if you really really want to I can try to respond as best as I can to your previous post, since I feel a little sorry for you but I much prefer if you choose almost any topic you want (it most fall into the general sphere of knowledge, it can't be which faction is best in RPG-x for example) ( I even let you decide if you want to be pro or con your choice!) and we can have real debate at a serious debate site. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

And lastly if it wasn't clear in my earlier post (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) means about: playfully teasing/kidding to me and I also believe it means about the same to most others. So I was not intentionally insulting anyone.

With Kind Regards maaw

Read all of it... but:

•3. Level requirement: 30~199 (30 and 199 included), counted when the post is first read by a staff.◦3.1. As soon as you reach lv 200 you will be qualified as a Veteran and you won't be able to use this service anymore. No exceptions.

Rules... yep... rules.

Also: compensation?! did you buy anything? NOPE! Everything you got was free, so i doubt you will get any compensation over free stuff... in any free shop here... if you wanna discuss this with scremaz then is ok.. but...

FIRST PART: IRONCLAD RULES

So... NOPE!

P.S. Also

So I was not intentionally insulting anyone.

Mhhh... paraphrasing... right?

P.S.2 Rule 3 has been like that since 3 months ago, so whatever you thought it says... keep it to yourself, Ok?

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Cya.

Bedsides I only leveled up because Colman said it would help clear things up here for me, was that a lie, a trick or are you just messing with me now? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

neither of the above. leveling will bring you more higher-tier arenas, with chance of tokens (which means monster lab and RoBs) and better rewards, so the chance to earn credits.

yes, we have a common direction but still we retain our own minds, so we may not (immediately) agree on something. what's wrong on it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
(...)

You misunderstand me It's nothing wrong to disagree or take time to come to an consensus, I believe though that it proves that this situation wasn't clearcut. Meaning I wasn't totally in the wrong, again I'm not saying I was totally right either. Plus the offered compensation further supports that theory that I was at least partly right even if it's by a minuscule amount. It could still in my opinion be that I was 1% right and piyin 99%. I'm not saying that is the case either only that i believe the evidence I presented mean I'm not clearly 100% wrong. Because then it really wouldn't have been anything for you to disagree on and I believe I shouldn't have been offered a compensation.

I'm as I said not arguing anymore at least try to not do that anymore, this post was to clear up a misunderstanding, if you believed I accused any of you of doing something wrong with not agreeing immediately just the opposite I believe it's healthy do disagree a little sometimes. And it does you proud too admit and compensate for a wrong doing on your part however small, you believe it is.

(Even though I believe I should have received the Item and I believe piyin believe I should have received nothing)

What we settled on is COMPLETLY fine by me! (a couple of Mag.s)

With Kind Regards maaw (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You misunderstand me It's nothing wrong to disagree or take time to come to an consensus, I believe though that it proves that this situation wasn't clearcut. Meaning I wasn't totally in the wrong, again I'm not saying I was totally right either. Plus the offered compensation further supports that theory that I was at least partly right even if it's by a minuscule amount. It could still in my opinion be that I was 1% right and piyin 99%. I'm not saying that is the case either only that i believe the evidence I presented mean I'm not clearly 100% wrong. Because then it really wouldn't have been anything for you to disagree on and I believe I shouldn't have been offered a compensation.

I'm as I said not arguing anymore at least try to not do that anymore, this post was to clear up a misunderstanding, if you believed I accused any of you of doing something wrong with not agreeing immediately just the opposite I believe it's healthy do disagree a little sometimes. And it does you proud too admit and compensate for a wrong doing on your part however small, you believe it is.

(Even though I believe I should have received the Item and I believe piyin believe I should have received nothing)

What we settled on is COMPLETLY fine by me! (a couple of Mag.s)

With Kind Regards maaw (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Scremaz... i think this needs and assemble of all the members of FS... YEP, ALL OF THEM! and we must discuse this matter until we have a final decision... so we need to wait for all of them... and untl the whole FS staff reunite... this matter has to be on schedule... ok?

end of this matter.

Scremaz... i think this needs and assemble of all the members of FS... YEP, ALL OF THEM! and we must discuse this matter until we have a final decision... so we need to wait for all of them... and untl the whole FS staff reunite... this matter has to be on schedule... ok?

end of this matter.

You like to eagerly enforce the rules alone with an iron-fist and an evil smile all day long, but when it comes to keeping your own promises the eagerness seems to disappear. Isn't as fun being on the other-side?

Like when you been reading my posts you pretended to believe that i called you lots of mean stuff, or your reading comprehension needs a lot of work. So I'm finally going to give you what you been so desperately searching for in my post a mean word*, You are a HUGE hypocrite.

And why should you have the final say in how this matter should be handled you are not the boss. Besides it was Scremaz idea you only agreed to it.
He should at the very least have just as much say as you probably more so no "end of this matter." before we hear from your superior or Scremaz and I believed he said he couldn't say it any clearer than this:

So even if you have those reading comprehension troubles we touched on earlier you should get this:

(...)
i'm at work and i have no time to search it, but piyin agreed as well. basically it means that since situation was quite ambiguous we thought you had been somehow damaged and for this week we'll let you pick a couple of mags, if you wish so - doing it or not it's up to you. i don't really know how to put it in simpler words than this.

Did you read the part of doing it or not it's up to me (not you). Last part added by me for your benefit, it should be hard weaseling out of this one, huh?

End of matter? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

/maaw

*(Though the truth can't ever be mean, I believe so but that is a philosophical discussion for another time and place, feel free to pm me if you wish to discuss it)

1.-You like to eagerly enforce the rules alone with an iron-fist and an evil smile all day long, but when it comes to keeping your own promises the eagerness seems to disappear. Isn't as fun being on the other-side?

2.- Like when you been reading my posts you pretended to believe that i called you lots of mean stuff, or your reading comprehension needs a lot of work. So I'm finally going to give you what you been so desperately searching for in my post a mean word*, You are a HUGE hypocrite.

3.-And why should you have the final say in how this matter should be handled you are not the boss. Besides it was Scremaz idea [b]you only agreed to it.

He should at the very least have just as much say as you probably more so no "end of this matter." before we hear from your superior or Scremaz and I believed he said he couldn't say it any clearer than this:

So even if you have those reading comprehension troubles we touched on earlier you should get this: [/b]

4.-Did you read the part of doing it or not it's up to me (not you). Last part added by me for your benefit, it should be hard weaseling out of this one, huh?

End of matter? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

/maaw

*(Though the truth can't ever be mean, I believe so but that is a philosophical discussion for another time and place, feel free to pm me if you wish to discuss it)

1.- What Promise? It was before or after you reached level 200? it was against or in favor of the rules? Do i have the right to take the rules and do as you want to bend them enought to meet your expectatives?... Also about the promise... show me when I did that promise... please tell me, that way next time im gonna promise everyone that make posts as long as you the whole FS inventory... maybe that will the the only way to fullfill their Egos... I mean, their honor/respect... even when they randomly disrespect ppl like Colman WITHOUT KNOWING WHO HE IS... NOW THATS HONORABLE!... isnt?

Also, FS inventory isnt MINE OR SCREMAZ... SO we cant promise anything with stuff that isnt ours... Thats preposterous and illegal according to the agreement the original members of the FS staff decided to honor... and you wont come here to bend those just to get what you want when you broken the rules... those arent FS rules.

2.- OH! Sorry... i thought that as you also invented like... 7 things related to the whole thing, like that i called you thief or bad guy, or cant remember what... and the rules you invented about 5 minutes editing rules or other stuff related to the rules (too much crap, i cant keep those in my mind)... i guess that BIG words you are telling me on the end of tht sentence has the same value as all the other stuff... nothing. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

3.- Neither scremaz or i have the last word... THATS WHY im calling for a reunion of the whole FS staff members to solve this situation: That way there wont be any doubt, right? there will be democracy working for you! not only a bad dicotomy of dudes just being yin and yang (what caused this situation)... so wait for the FINAL FINAL conclusion of this after all of us have gather and vote for this matter... that way if im at fault then you will be victoriuos against the machine, and if you are, then the same as now... you get nothing and thats it.

4.- Hard? Never: tried you to understand you broke rules, tried to make you understand your ban was lifted but not your ilegal post, tried to make you understand that i never called you any of those insulting words you wrote i told you (because you where paraphrasing, you thought, you believe, all those crappy excuses)... i have put some effort in triying to make you undertand that you mad a mistake and yet... you did all this thing: there has been even more humbles dudes that, even being rudes, got the main idea about the rules and complaint about their mistakes, but after a simple post by me/scremaz/coleman said: "oh crap, yep i messed, sorry, can i request another thing?"... in your case what you keep saying is :

"Thats mine, and if you dont give it to me im gonna be mad and will want you who arent owner of the equipments to gime even more stuff even when i dont match the criteria in the rules because im putting my life on the line of the righteous right that FS has confered me because i folowe the rules and even donate... i deserve those because im pretty good at making a shit storm of irrational words and i look like a defender of the oppresed by FS Evil management" or to make it shor: "make me happy or else..."

And thats your argument, well pretty much yours... mine: "you broke rules, your request invalid"... which one is easy to understand?

End of matter? Yep, as simle as ignoring you... see? end game. Cya.

3.- Neither scremaz or i have the last word... THATS WHY im calling for a reunion of the whole FS staff members to solve this situation: That way there wont be any doubt, right? there will be democracy working for you! not only a bad dicotomy of dudes just being yin and yang (what caused this situation)... so wait for the FINAL FINAL conclusion of this after all of us have gather and vote for this matter... that way if im at fault then you will be victoriuos against the machine, and if you are, then the same as now... you get nothing and thats it.

Wait there's more: Either way, we all get to move on with our lives. I think that's reason to celebrate.

I'm going to ignore most of your immature answers since I'm tired and reasoning with you is like reasoning with a donkey. The donkey is never going to understand anything of real value and I'm wasting my time. I'm just going to point out the most obvious one and the even then donkey might understand, not holding my thumps though. This was an analogy. Look it up in a dictionary if you are as illiterate as you claim.

Scremaz... i think this needs and assemble of all the members of FS... YEP, ALL OF THEM! and we must discuse this matter until we have a final decision... so we need to wait for all of them... and untl the whole FS staff reunite... this matter has to be on schedule... ok?
end of this matter.

And why should you have the final say in how this matter should be handled you are not the boss. Besides it was Scremaz idea you only agreed to it.
He should at the very least have just as much say as you probably more so no "end of this matter." (...)

Since you seem to have serious reading difficulties I explain it clearly: I'm not talking about who gets what ITEM
I'M talking how the matter should be handled and there you completely ignored Scremaz and decided everyone should way in YOU DECIDED THAT ALONE AND SAID END OF THIS MATTER, you didn't suggest it and wait for Scremaz to way in.

Because you knew you were gong to lose and Bullies can't handle that. Was that an easy enough word for you?

3.- Neither scremaz or i have the last word... THATS WHY im calling for a reunion of the whole FS staff members(..,).

Everyone costumers, members, donors and staff feel free to join in and say what you think of this discussion, me or perhaps most importantly piyin since I'm just a donor who will be leaving soon piyin is bully who might also be leaving soon but only if we want that and say so. I've already received PM's hoping for just that. POST here or PM me!

(if you want anonymity I will only entrust your identity to trusted staff members I know two that I can trust, most probably are but I only KNOW two)


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The purpose of this freeshop is to help newbies. Since it may be hard to decide is someone newbie, especially for someone who is not active in forum for at least a year. The starting members of FS decided together that anyone who level < 200 is newbie. To enforce the efficient and prevent abuses, most of the rules were also developed. Although the wording changed a few times, the meaning of the rules have never changed. And the rules cannot be changed by a single staff anyway .

The FS account is different from other account . It is not bounded by some rules (e.g. multi-account), but it also bound by extra rules from 10b and it can only send and receive item from/to players. And the staff is not the item owner, if some staff want to help someone that not fitting the rules. The staff need to help by himself, not using FS resource .

The running of FS in the first few months was smooth, as there were more active members and the rules are completely objective. However, since the advice of varst, the decision become partly subjective. And it leads to trouble situation from times to times . Not sure is it related to the leaving of staff. I think it's times to review the current rules and how to prevent abuse soon .

Besides that FS also give some problem to other HV players.
1. FS completely kill the mid level market .
2. The concept of item value for some newbies are twisted , as they think exq items are common. Some of the newbies also think receiving free items is a must .
3. FS increase the amount of multiple accounts and botters as they do not need to send gears from their main account so the risk is lower .

I think those should be considered if rules are going to reviewed .

This post has been edited by Colman: Mar 28 2015, 12:37

Do Fs need to holds a raffle to give this items away?

or...

Just Put them on the lists and let ppl request them ASAP?

Go with raffle. Anyone who is eligible will have a chance to have it regardless of whether the winner already received/have a pending request for a leg or mag.

it seems that today i'll have something to read -.-"

what i thought back then (i'll repeat again) was that maaw was damaged by the situation since there was a rule changing in between, so i said he could have asked "a couple of mags with the following request if he wished so". this happened when he was <lv200, so still eligible for requests. his requests aren't possible anymore since he now leveled up - and surely not because of colman's word, he was lv199 since a few days, so sooner or later it had to happen even only with daily bonuses. no changing of minds here, only reading the whole situation.

though the fact that he was somehow damaged by this is still there: i proposed he could have asked for another mag and it was accepted. to cut it short, i think he should have one mag and all's closed.

who agrees?

it seems that today i'll have something to read -.-"

what i thought back then (i'll repeat again) was that maaw was damaged by the situation since there was a rule changing in between, so i said he could have asked "a couple of mags with the following request if he wished so". this happened when he was <lv200, so still eligible for requests. his requests aren't possible anymore since he now leveled up - and surely not because of colman's word, he was lv199 since a few days, so sooner or later it had to happen even only with daily bonuses. no changing of minds here, only reading the whole situation.

though the fact that he was somehow damaged by this is still there: i proposed he could have asked for another mag and it was accepted. to cut it short, i think he should have one mag and all's closed.

who agrees?

There is only two active staff here. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
The decision need to make asap as the next HV update will probably make FS disable.

The purpose of this freeshop is to help newbies. Since it may be hard to decide is someone newbie, especially for someone who is not active in forum for at least a year. The starting members of FS decided together that anyone who level < 200 is newbie. To enforce the efficient and prevent abuses, most of the rules were also developed. Although the wording changed a few times, the meaning of the rules have never changed. And the rules cannot be changed by a single staff anyway .

The FS account is different from other account . It is not bounded by some rules (e.g. multi-account), but it also bound by extra rules from 10b and it can only send and receive item from/to players. And the staff is not the item owner, if some staff want to help someone that not fitting the rules. The staff need to help by himself, not using FS resource .

The running of FS in the first few months was smooth, as there were more active members and the rules are completely objective. However, since the advice of varst, the decision become partly subjective. And it leads to trouble situation from times to times . Not sure is it related to the leaving of staff. I think it's times to review the current rules and how to prevent abuse soon .

Besides that FS also give some problem to other HV players.
1. FS completely kill the mid level market .
2. The concept of item value for some newbies are twisted , as they think exq items are common. Some of the newbies also think receiving free items is a must .
3. FS increase the amount of multiple accounts and botters as they do not need to send gears from their main account so the risk is lower .

I think those should be considered if rules are going to reviewed .

well, staff members are only 2 atm, and often i don't have time/guts to check all the messages in this thread. i try to check at least once per day but it's not always possible - so this FS is basically left on piyin's shoulders.

and besides, as you said, apart from the trouble of running this (huge) project, we have to deal with people that say we basically killed the market. we should all consider that market was agonizing quite a bit: i frequently saw shops with crazy prices for what they offered, and newbies relying on loaning from yourself, drake, jenga - just the few i can think about - so there's no way we killed their business (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

There is only two active staff here. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
The decision need to make asap as the next HV update will probably make FS disable.

if FS wouldn't be able to run anymore, it will close. where's the matter?

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Mar 28 2015, 13:55

well, staff members are only 2 atm, and often i don't have time/guts to check all the messages in this thread. i try to check at least once per day but it's not always possible - so this FS is basically left on piyin's shoulders.

and besides, as you said, apart from the trouble of running this (huge) project, we have to deal with people that say we basically killed the market. we should all consider that market was agonizing quite a bit: i frequently saw shops with crazy prices for what they offered, and newbies relying on loaning from yourself, drake, jenga - just the few i can think about - so there's no way we killed their business (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
if FS wouldn't be able to run anymore, it will close. where's the matter?

Not all of the shop are over-priced. Only those shop that have high end equipment, or they will have no costumers at all.

Most of the shop nowadays only list the top gears and materials. Of course, one of the reason is the scale to player's level equipment that implemented some time (2 years?) ago. The other reason is the risen of free shops (not this one btw. there were a few before FS become the main-stream). Viewing the numbers of shop closed or changed during the last 2 years can tell.

One of the surviving shop that still selling mid level stuff is running by Mantra64. I doubt the mid-level stuff give him any profit anyway. May be we can ask him when have the chance.

This post has been edited by Colman: Mar 28 2015, 14:38

Not all of the shop are over-priced. Only those shop that have high end equipment, or they will have no costumers at all.

Most of the shop nowadays only list the top gears and materials. Of course, one of the reason is the scale to player's level equipment that implemented some time (2 years?) ago. The other reason is the risen of free shops (not this one btw. there were a few before FS become the main-stream). Viewing the numbers of shop closed or changed during the last 2 years can tell.

One of the surviving shop that still selling mid level stuff is running by Mantra64. I doubt the mid-level stuff give him any profit anyway. May be we can ask him when have the chance.

i'm not saying that all shops are overpriced. i'm saying that many of them (even though i don't know exactly how many) are. every now and then i search for some obsoletes and it's not so rare to see - just saying - rapiers with 1PAB sold at 100k or similar exaggerations. it's definitely something that a low-level cannot afford, and we're speaking about crappy things: those business were all killed way before FS was introduced. and as you say, there already were some free sections/giveaways before us.

however, it seems to me that now it's auctions era: nice choice, decent~good equips, regular updates...

Can I have this ?
[62764842] - [hv0.co.uk] Exquisite Ethereal Axe of Slaughter Primary Attributes: STR DEX AGI
[61594469] - [hv0.co.uk] Exquisite Zircon Leather Helmet of Warding Primary Attributes: STR DEX END AGI
[62003406] - [hv0.co.uk] Exquisite Reinforced Leather Breastplate of Warding Primary Attributes: STR DEX END AGI
[62003438] - [hv0.co.uk] Exquisite Agile Leather Gauntlets of Warding Primary Attributes: STR DEX AGI
[61248504] - [hv0.co.uk] Exquisite Leather Leggings of Warding Primary Attributes: STR DEX END AGI
[56509829] - [hv0.co.uk] Exquisite Leather Boots of Warding Primary Attributes: STR DEX END AGI

May I have this:
[45275929] - [hv0.co.uk] Exquisite Phase Cap of Freyr Primary Attributes: AGI INT WIS
[61656659] - [hv0.co.uk] Exquisite Plate Helmet of Dampening Primary Attributes: STR DEX END
[61628599] - [hv0.co.uk] Exquisite Cobalt Plate Cuirass of Dampening Primary Attributes: STR DEX END
[57700450] - [hv0.co.uk] Exquisite Plate Sabatons of Dampening Primary Attributes: STR DEX END
and 2 mana potions?

May I request these items?

[63052054] - [hv0.co.uk] Exquisite Fiery Katana of Slaughter Primary Attributes: STR DEX AGI

[61426612] - [hv0.co.uk] Exquisite Onyx Plate Cuirass of Warding Primary Attributes: STR DEX END
[61431935] - [hv0.co.uk] Exquisite Zircon Plate Helmet of Deflection Primary Attributes: STR DEX END
[58350163] - [hv0.co.uk] Exquisite Cobalt Plate Sabatons of Protection Primary Attributes: STR DEX END
[51806600] - [hv0.co.uk] Magnificent Jade Plate Gauntlets of Protection Primary Attributes: STR DEX END

1 HP potion pack and 1 spirit potion pack

The purpose of this freeshop is to help newbies. Since it may be hard to decide is someone newbie, especially for someone who is not active in forum for at least a year. The starting members of FS decided together that anyone who level < 200 is newbie. To enforce the efficient and prevent abuses, most of the rules were also developed. Although the wording changed a few times, the meaning of the rules have never changed. And the rules cannot be changed by a single staff anyway .

The FS account is different from other account . It is not bounded by some rules (e.g. multi-account), but it also bound by extra rules from 10b and it can only send and receive item from/to players. And the staff is not the item owner, if some staff want to help someone that not fitting the rules. The staff need to help by himself, not using FS resource .

The running of FS in the first few months was smooth, as there were more active members and the rules are completely objective. However, since the advice of varst, the decision become partly subjective. And it leads to trouble situation from times to times . Not sure is it related to the leaving of staff. I think it's times to review the current rules and how to prevent abuse soon .

Besides that FS also give some problem to other HV players.
1. FS completely kill the mid level market .
2. The concept of item value for some newbies are twisted , as they think exq items are common. Some of the newbies also think receiving free items is a must .
3. FS increase the amount of multiple accounts and botters as they do not need to send gears from their main account so the risk is lower .

I think those should be considered if rules are going to reviewed .

Im glad, reading something like this.. "You nailed it" from someone.. who has established himself in this Comunity.. im mean.. without being lynched like myself if i tried ! Actually, your listed NR. 1. 2. 3. it's a truth that should be told !!

no offence here @ anyone from FS !

This post has been edited by mutsdhr: Mar 29 2015, 04:13

some people just need to buy a life.
Piyin, do you think they really know you?
I think they don't.
If they did, this pointless conversation haven't existed at all.
anyways, have a nice one.