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TBH I rarely get equipment drops =/

neither do i, and they are usually average or fair (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

btw, your name is red, what does it mean? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) never mind, autoanswered

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Mar 23 2014, 01:13

It means I get a lot of PMs lol

It means I get a lot of PMs lol

ahahahah, you wanted that title? then you deserve them! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

The idea of this shop is great but to be honest it disgusts me. You have some extremely high-level equipment and upper mid-range stuff too that costs a lot of credits. For instance there is a pair of Magnificent Shade Boots of the Arcanist listed for free that I had to pay almost 500k for a similar set. Now some dickhead newb (no offense) can just waltz in here with their hands open to get them for free? I had to play my ass off to build up that many credits. How is this fair to those of us that had to do it the hard way? How is something that is not earned valued? I think anything above exquisite should come with a hefty price tag to ensure it isn't wasted and to prevent fraud. Just sayin'.

Oh and another thing: by giving equipment of this caliber away for free you have essentially nullified all of our shops. That is why we aren't selling much equipment these days. Good luck selling a superior anything or even most exquisites for that matter. You guys need to charge something or you're going to run all of us shop owners out of business for the most part.

This post has been edited by brewdonkey: Mar 23 2014, 01:22

The idea of this shop is great but to be honest it disgusts me. You have some extremely high-level equipment and upper mid-range stuff too that costs a lot of credits. For instance there is a pair of Magnificent Shade Boots of the Arcanist listed for free that I had to pay almost 500k for a similar set. Now some dickhead newb (no offense) can just waltz in here with their hands open to get them for free? I had to play my ass off to build up that many credits. How is this fair to those of us that had to do it the hard way? How is something that is not earned valued? I think anything above exquisite should come with a hefty price tag to ensure it isn't wasted and to prevent fraud. Just sayin'.

quite rare to see you out of certain shops...
well, the initial purpose was to help newbies like wolfgirl did, but the situation is rapidly escalating: certainly is true that a mag arcanist isn't something cut for a newbie, but if people donate them we have to put them in list.
maybe a good compromise could be to ristrict donations to sup-exq range and use leg only as prizes for lotteries...

Oh and another thing: by giving equipment of this caliber away for free you have essentially nullified all of our shops. That is why we aren't selling much equipment these days. Good luck selling a superior anything or even most exquisites for that matter. You guys need to charge something or you're going to run all of us shop owners out of business for the most part.

no need to say it, half of staff members have their own shops... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Mar 23 2014, 01:28

quite rare to see you out of certain shops...
well, the initial purpose was to help newbies like wolfgirl did, but the situation is rapidly escalating: certainly is true that a mag arcanist isn't something cut for a newbie, but if people donate them we have to put them in list.
maybe a good compromise could be to ristrict donations to sup-exq range and use leg only as prizes for lotteries...

I troll around. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
[maybe a good compromise could be to ristrict donations to sup-exq range and use leg only as prizes for lotteries]
That's kind of what I was thinking. The concept of this shop is great and I have no problem helping people out; however, you guys are dealing out some high end stuff compared to Wolfgirl. I've been meaning to have the same conversation with her, too. I think only Exquisite and below should be for free. Mag and up should be for lottery purposes. Otherwise those of us trying to earn credits (without trying to rip people off) like myself won't be left with equipment collecting dust.

I think your suggestion(s) might help, though. I understand where you guys are coming from and I'm on your side. I just want to see the playing field a little more fair for everyone. Why should a level 30 player be walking around with a Legendary Ethereal Katana of Slaughter in his hand that he didn't earn while the rest of us have to wait years to acquire something like that?

This post has been edited by brewdonkey: Mar 23 2014, 01:37

It seems the discussions are over - in favour of helping out the Godslayers...

What heart-rending story did you hear to decide in favour of giving that Legendary armour to the player who can make 300k bid in an auction?

What? Where? When does it happened? "ERROR 666 - Memo not Found" i found it hard to eat the idea of helping level 200 and up, as they will mostly just ask for legendaries and good ones (like the shade of discord that has been post recently), but as this part havent changed:

Please note: until we've had a chance to talk to all staff members we're putting a hold on selling items to players over level 200. There are a few purposes and we are actually evaluating them. The problem is all these items were donated to help new players, but we've suddenly got a lot of interest from veterans seeing things they want: the last thing any of us want to do is upset the people who did donate by selling their item to a level 300 player as opposed to donate it as they presumed we would... We're much more likely to go along the route of item exchanges/redeeming tickets rather than credit purchase, but we still have to define some things.

Stuff is STILL on HOLD... so until this matter changes on the same rules... i guess we must abide for this part and do nothing that can be... i dont know... like a forceful desicion, and thats the way i think.

I troll around. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
[maybe a good compromise could be to ristrict donations to sup-exq range and use leg only as prizes for lotteries]
That's kind of what I was thinking. The concept of this shop is great and I have no problem helping people out; however, you guys are dealing out some high end stuff compared to Wolfgirl. I've been meaning to have the same conversation with her, too. I think only Exquisite and below should be for free. Mag and up should be for lottery purposes. Otherwise those of us trying to earn credits (without trying to rip people off) like myself won't be left with equipment collecting dust.

well, as i pointed out many times we are trying to dynamically adapt to that situation, we didn't expect such big success and such high-levels donations. another thing is that we are offering a service, but obviously acquiring too much gears at lower levels would make you lose knowledge of the dynamics of the game, but actually if they ask within the limits we put - we have to send items...

I just want to see the playing field a little more fair for everyone. Why should a level 30 player be walking around with a Legendary Ethereal Katana of Slaughter in his hand that he didn't earn while the rest of us have to wait years to acquire something like that?

actually, one of the risks is there are some higher level people maneuvering them: we already discovered one case and are inquiring another two, that's one of the purposes of item tracker but botters seem not to have understood it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

It's difficult to please everybody...

When I thought up the idea of this shop, including the lotteries for donators I thought it would simply be a bit of fun. I have a healthy income from my H@H farm so throwing a few hundred hath here and there was no big deal. I would never have the time to run a free shop myself so having it shared seemed like the ideal solution.

I never in a million years expected items of the caliber we have to be donated... Legendary shade? I'm paying and/or offering silly money in the 5-20 million range for the legendary shade I'm trying to collect at the moment :/ While a 250k item to me is nothing special I'm pretty sure a couple of the items we have are pushing at least the 1000k mark. The problem is, they were donated free on the understanding they would be distributed to new players... Because they were donated somebody thought that the item was either worthless or valued too low to bother trying to sell themselves. This has left us between a rock and a rather hard place...

The concept is great but if anything the generosity of players is starting to become our undoing already! What a crazy situation to be in!

This leaves the question of course... what do we do? New players struggle to earn credits. Old players see Exq and below as worthless - even many mags are falling into that category now. Legendary has to have the right stats to be more than a collectors piece. Peerless is peerless but that goes without saying lol. TenB could add a new item rank to the game to re-ignite old passions but in a very short space of time we'd end up in the same situation again - all the old players have all the money and if an item is not perfect it's virtually worthless.

@piyin,

Please refer to post #341 then check the Infinite Cooldown list on page 1.

What? Where? When does it happened? "ERROR 666 - Memo not Found" i found it hard to eat the idea of helping level 200 and up, as they will mostly just ask for legendaries and good ones (like the shade of discord that has been post recently), but as this part havent changed:

<snap, well-known rule>

Stuff is STILL on HOLD... so until this matter changes on the same rules... i guess we must abide for this part and do nothing that can be... i dont know... like a forceful desicion, and thats the way i think.

i also saw it only when target has accepted, so i couldn't recall it -.-"

It's difficult to please everybody...

it's democracy, we simply CAN'T please everybody, only the bigger part (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

When I thought up the idea of this shop, including the lotteries for donators I thought it would simply be a bit of fun. I have a healthy income from my H@H farm so throwing a few hundred hath here and there was no big deal. I would never have the time to run a free shop myself so having it shared seemed like the ideal solution.

I never in a million years expected items of the caliber we have to be donated... Legendary shade? I'm paying and/or offering silly money in the 5-20 million range for the legendary shade I'm trying to collect at the moment :/ While a 250k item to me is nothing special I'm pretty sure a couple of the items we have are pushing at least the 1000k mark. The problem is, they were donated free on the understanding they would be distributed to new players... Because they were donated somebody thought that the item was either worthless or valued too low to bother trying to sell themselves. This has left us between a rock and a rather hard place...

The concept is great but if anything the generosity of players is starting to become our undoing already! What a crazy situation to be in!

This leaves the question of course... what do we do? New players struggle to earn credits. Old players see Exq and below as worthless - even many mags are falling into that category now. Legendary has to have the right stats to be more than a collectors piece. Peerless is peerless but that goes without saying lol. TenB could add a new item rank to the game to re-ignite old passions but in a very short space of time we'd end up in the same situation again - all the old players have all the money and if an item is not perfect it's virtually worthless.

exactly what i mean when i say the situation is escalating: your base idea was quite good, almost noble and it's proven by the fact you have so many followers (including some vigilantes), but there's the need to rediscuss something, you see by yourself that made the law - found the roundabout: c'mon, gift a shade of fleet to someone that just today bidded hundred of thousands credits on auctions, we're doing a really bad impression here...

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Mar 23 2014, 02:05

It's difficult to please everybody...

When I thought up the idea of this shop, including the lotteries for donators I thought it would simply be a bit of fun. I have a healthy income from my H@H farm so throwing a few hundred hath here and there was no big deal. I would never have the time to run a free shop myself so having it shared seemed like the ideal solution.

I never in a million years expected items of the caliber we have to be donated... Legendary shade? I'm paying and/or offering silly money in the 5-20 million range for the legendary shade I'm trying to collect at the moment :/ While a 250k item to me is nothing special I'm pretty sure a couple of the items we have are pushing at least the 1000k mark. The problem is, they were donated free on the understanding they would be distributed to new players... Because they were donated somebody thought that the item was either worthless or valued too low to bother trying to sell themselves. This has left us between a rock and a rather hard place...

The concept is great but if anything the generosity of players is starting to become our undoing already! What a crazy situation to be in!

This leaves the question of course... what do we do? New players struggle to earn credits. Old players see Exq and below as worthless - even many mags are falling into that category now. Legendary has to have the right stats to be more than a collectors piece. Peerless is peerless but that goes without saying lol. TenB could add a new item rank to the game to re-ignite old passions but in a very short space of time we'd end up in the same situation again - all the old players have all the money and if an item is not perfect it's virtually worthless.

Then lets make stuff the right way: only for players up Lvl 30 and under Lvl 200, thats all!!! i know the fact that thi will upset a lot of dudes... but if we are going to suffer with this kind of stuff from players over level 200, then lets just ignore them (as all of us alredy know what they are looking for... dont deny it!!! even i was like that at certain level), and lets just keep the stuff for the above levels (easiest way to stop the pain in the ass about this matter), and, if the shop get stuff that looks to be far beyond good like that shade, then we can do as WG, an auction of those items :that way we earn a little for the shop AND also evade cheaters that use other players, or multiaccounts, to get the high stuff.
THIS IS ONLY A SUGGESTION MEMBERS OF FS AND FS, SO IS FREE FOR DISCUSION, OK?

i also saw it only when target has accepted, so i couldn't recall it -.-"

The equipment is still on Katheira MM, so it can be recalled... just to let you know, BUT if is the way of another player then we will have catch another member of the hall of shame.

Then lets make stuff the right way: only for players up Lvl 30 and under Lvl 200, thats all!!! i know the fact that thi will upset a lot of dudes... but if we are going to suffer with this kind of stuff from players over level 200, then lets just ignore them (as all of us alredy know what they are looking for... dont deny it!!! even i was like that at certain level), and lets just keep the stuff for the above levels (easiest way to stop the pain in the ass about this matter), and, if the shop get stuff that looks to be far beyond good like that shade, then we can do as WG, an auction of those items :that way we earn a little for the shop AND also evade cheaters that use other players, or multiaccounts, to get the high stuff.
THIS IS ONLY A SUGGESTION MEMBERS OF FS AND FS, SO IS FREE FOR DISCUSION, OK?

i proposed it, so i can only agree (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

The equipment is still on Katheira MM, so it can be recalled... just to let you know, BUT if is the way of another player then we will have catch another member of the hall of shame.

wut? was i really so dumb? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
better to recall it while we can?
[edit]: no hall of shame induction, simply he didn't caught it yet...

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Mar 23 2014, 02:14

My thoughts and potential options... No particular order list an incoherent list lol

Random thoughs list:

• It's not our job to detect mulch-accounters and botters but we can aid in finding them by tracking rare items.
• The whole game economy is horrible for new players if you don't have H@H and earn decent hath
• Even if we stopped giving Mag/Leg away for free player owned shops would continue to suffer because of the sheer volume of free exq items we have. This in turn becomes a vicious circle. Before we opened superior and below was worthless bazaar fodder, lets not deny this. Exq was starting to go the same way for certain classes of items.
• Is the HV economy our problem?

Freeshop options list

• Periodically auction Magnificent or Legendary items and use the funds to buy decent exquisite items. Upsides and downsides to this... Running an auction is a pain in the ass - more of a pain the more items there are. We'd need a good script to help run it but only a single person could easily use this and would still need to be on multiple times per day etc
• Cream off the decent items and auction these on their own. This is time consuming...
• Quietly lose any really nice pieces as bribes or for personal collections (joke)
• Restrict the level limits more IE level 30-100 and insist on financial exchange for level 100+ on a sliding scale so by level 200 full market value is paid. This is a pain in the ass because we'd have to price each and every item. Any takers for pricing 2400 equips?
• My brain isn't working anymore... so I'm going to open it out to everybody else for more suggestions

My thoughts and potential options... No particular order list an incoherent list lol

Random thoughs list:

• It's not our job to detect mulch-accounters and botters but we can aid in finding them by tracking rare items.
  
• The whole game economy is horrible for new players if you don't have H@H and earn decent hath
• Even if we stopped giving Mag/Leg away for free player owned shops would continue to suffer because of the sheer volume of free exq items we have. This in turn becomes a vicious circle. Before we opened superior and below was worthless bazaar fodder, lets not deny this. Exq was starting to go the same way for certain classes of items.
• Is the HV economy our problem?

Freeshop options list

• Periodically auction Magnificent or Legendary items and use the funds to buy decent exquisite items. Upsides and downsides to this... Running an auction is a pain in the ass - more of a pain the more items there are. We'd need a good script to help run it but only a single person could easily use this and would still need to be on multiple times per day etc
• Cream off the decent items and auction these on their own. This is time consuming...
• Quietly lose any really nice pieces as bribes or for personal collections (joke)
• Restrict the level limits more IE level 30-100 and insist on financial exchange for level 100+ on a sliding scale so by level 200 full market value is paid. This is a pain in the ass because we'd have to price each and every item. Any takers for pricing 2400 equips?
• My brain isn't working anymore... so I'm going to open it out to everybody else for more suggestions

Those are the best ideas so far, the others, i need futher analysis... except the last one... take care of ya brain... we only have 2.

Random thoughs list:

• Even if we stopped giving Mag/Leg away for free player owned shops would continue to suffer because of the sheer volume of free exq items we have. This in turn becomes a vicious circle. Before we opened superior and below was worthless bazaar fodder, lets not deny this. Exq was starting to go the same way for certain classes of items.
• Is the HV economy our problem?

i run a shop myself, further comments could be viewed as interests conflict. but actually not gifting mag/leg would allow all shops to still stand a chance: road to reform the economy is long, we don't need to dangerously jump if we can walk safely (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Freeshop options list

• Periodically auction Magnificent or Legendary items and use the funds to buy decent exquisite items. Upsides and downsides to this... Running an auction is a pain in the ass - more of a pain the more items there are. We'd need a good script to help run it but only a single person could easily use this and would still need to be on multiple times per day etc
• Cream off the decent items and auction these on their own. This is time consuming...
• Restrict the level limits more IE level 30-100 and insist on financial exchange for level 100+ on a sliding scale so by level 200 full market value is paid. This is a pain in the ass because we'd have to price each and every item. Any takers for pricing 2400 equips?

joke apart and given away that if i was able to price tag items i would have done surely better in my shop (sorry for spamming (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ) currently there are 3-4 regular auctioners, we can give them the items by rotation: recently arialinnoc run an auction completely based on colman's stuff, just to make an example...

I think only Exquisite and below should be for free. Mag and up should be for lottery purposes.

I think this is probably the most elegant solution to this issue. Perhaps Magnificents and above could be offered as lottery prizes or be sold through auctions to help fund the shop. These item grades are rare for a reason - it might be best to respect their rarity and not just give them away for free. Using them as lottery prizes or funding the shop through auctions would ultimately still benefit the new players down the line, so I don't think donators of such items would object to their donations being used for such purposes.

(Even so, I would still think twice about letting gold stars receive items for free, but as mentioned before there is a huge stock of items and this could be a non-issue if an objective of this shop is to let go of as much gear as possible.)

As for the auction issue, why not send the items to one of the regular auctioneers if the staff don't want to hold an auction themselves?

I think this is probably the most elegant solution to this issue. Perhaps Magnificents and above could be offered as lottery prizes or be sold through auctions to help fund the shop. These item grades are rare for a reason - it might be best to respect their rarity and not just give them away for free. Using them as lottery prizes or funding the shop through auctions would ultimately still benefit the new players down the line, so I don't think donators of such items would object to their donations being used for such purposes.

(Even so, I would still think twice about letting gold stars receive items for free, but as mentioned before there is a huge stock of items and this could be a non-issue if an objective of this shop is to let go of as much gear as possible.)

As for the auction issue, why not send the items to one of the regular auctioneers if the staff don't want to hold an auction themselves?

you're too late, gnegne (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

btw, just to end discussions, i make you know that i recalled leg shade by my decision, since it is involved a rule we still haven't agreed and it's again in our hands. afterall we can still send the item again with an excuse message. if user Kaithera isn't happy he can just PM me or write here, as he wish.

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Mar 23 2014, 02:51

I agree that mag and legendary equips are a bit of an overkill for starting players. maybe superior/exquisite for 30-200 and mags with no prefix and less than ideal suffixes for 100-200 or 150-200. then the mags with prefix and legendary are for lotteries (to encourge people to donate, not that we are short on donations though) with any excess to be auctioned off using proxy auctioneers. then use those credits to buy more superiors/exquisite.

We can also help other shops as well if they sell superior/exquisite items by buying some of those items (if they are reasonably priced), especially if a certain category of items is running low in the freeshop (very unlikely).

and @caiax. Gold star people are a little better off financially, but its still easy to go broke. 10k credit a day disappears quite quickly,especially with training, even if you sell the 3 haths. sold most of my haths for the auctions for shielding pieces (150k so far) and gonna be broke afterwards

This post has been edited by kevmasterzoc: Mar 23 2014, 02:53