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Loads of anime and manga translation groups were against sharing of their raws, many still are. Back when I was in anime society at my university, we got permission from the Australian distributors to lend unlicensed anime and manga to our members, we were 100% against sharing our library with non-members and outside groups for all the logistical and ethical reasons.

If you put effort into acquiring a raw, this does not create an obligation for you to give it to others for free. You can if you want, but its not an obligation. If this was such a huge problem, then its because the Japanese groups or the foreign groups are not putting in the same effort to acquire the raw material.

This has been discussed before, translators are not obliged to upload raws.

This post has been edited by N04h: Jan 5 2014, 10:03

they're passive-aggressively making us to give them more credit than what's really deserved.

No. Exactly they need no credits or any payment.

but I'm not convinced yet that CN-only trans sitting around is quite the best way to prevent native-JP piracy.

So JP-artists protection is just one reason.
Another reason is the bad competition between Chinese translators.
The team uploading translations better and faster will get more members and popularity, on the contrary loser teams will be washed out. So some teams refuse to release their raws to make sure that "we have the exclusive goods". I called it raws monopoly.

This has been discussed before, translators are not obliged to upload raws.

Anyway, an uploader should be respected. They have NO obligation to upload raws. And i have to say there's also many eng translation works without raws in gallery.
By the way, not all Chinese team refuse to upload raws, I and my friends will always share our scanning (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

This post has been edited by Dreamophobia: Jan 5 2014, 10:45

If you put effort into acquiring a raw, this does not create an obligation for you to give it to others for free. You can if you want, but its not an obligation. If this was such a huge problem, then its because the Japanese groups or the foreign groups are not putting in the same effort to acquire the raw material.

This has been discussed before, translators are not obliged to upload raws.

This and This. If you've acquired something that has cost you time, effort, and money, it is purely up to your discretion the state you choose to share aforementioned something with the world, if you choose to share it all.

Keyword is "choice". The Chinese uploaders are not obligated in any way, shape, or form to share, in Japanese, the raws they've acquired. That's all there is to it.

Game, set, and /thread.

I don't know quite how to put this in more apt ways, but can they actually have some form of reprimand for this stuff?

No. Fuck you.
Apart from denying the Japanese leechers who could easily buy the stuff themselves without jumping through hoops access to the raw, making people like you suffer is more than enough reason not to share the raws.
Also, it's a token of respect to the artist. Doesn't even matter whether or not more people will buy the particular doujin because of that, it's just a matter of not being a total ass to the artist.

And besides, you should understand what the JAPs has done to CH & KR in the previous war.
After that you'll never think of posting raws for the JAPs ever again.
Q.E.D

I am japanese, what are you going to do about it?

Are you the type that complain about Yasukuni?

If you hate japan so much you shouldn't be here.

This post has been edited by N04h: Jan 5 2014, 11:13

I am japanese, what are you going to do about it?

Are you the type that complain about Yasukuni?

If you hate japan so much you shouldn't be here.

He wasn't serious about the war thing though.

And yeah, forget the last thing that I said. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
Just being ironic.
But some people really believe this is the true reason.

This post has been edited by erwtsnert: Jan 5 2014, 11:25

He wasn't serious about the war thing though.

Even if it was a joke it was a retarded thing to say.

Previous thread here https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=45827

This post has been edited by N04h: Jan 5 2014, 11:39

Feel free to exclude Chinese language uploads from this page if you feel they are detrimental to your experience here.

Friendly warning: Any past, current or future social, political or historical issues between countries in the East Asia region are not relevant on this site. We have a lot of visitors from all over the world, and no one should be judged based on what their ancestors did, or what their contemporary public and/or elected officials are saying or doing.

Loads of anime and manga translation groups were against sharing of their raws, many still are. Back when I was in anime society at my university, we got permission from the Australian distributors to lend unlicensed anime and manga to our members, we were 100% against sharing our library with non-members and outside groups for all the logistical and ethical reasons.

I too don't really like it when my raw uploads get posted all over the internet... Id rather see them stay on this site.

This post has been edited by N04h: Jan 5 2014, 12:13

I appreciate all uploads, no matter Chinese, Korean, French, Russian or Spanish.
In order to show my passion, I have bought those hard copies just for collection and for redrawing, or I will pay for the digital version(dlsite, melonbooks).
I love those art, and will always like to have more available.

Well im a raw uploader myself and commission tons of Tanks each month. this is the internet and things get shared with your permission or without it, for the sake of profit or sharing itself and completely out of your control , so you either make peace with with it or keep crunching your teeth.
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back to the topic i see 3 reason:
1. they feel proud that the famous works are only available in Chinese , maby giving them a sense of superiority ! they feel good seeing people begging for raws and left hanging !

2. the issue related to historical past which we wont discuss here.

3. they just come here to upload their translation for the sake of gaining popularity, beating their rival translators and never care about the community itself, it was never about sharing, just winning the competition. if yes they they are clearly here for the wrong reason !

also dont start with protecting the artist BS XD . you upload the art itself, the main dish, so protecting the artist is a complete BS !
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this does not include all the Chinese uploader by no means, i know quite a few myself that upload the raws first hand with no prejudice and care about the community itself. i totally appreciate it !

This post has been edited by salar: Jan 5 2014, 14:02

I don't particularly like it either, but scanners and translators have no obligations to the site or the community whatsoever, and barring forbidden or non-related material, they should be free to upload whatever the hell they want.
Besides, there are English groups that withhold raws as well (Napata translators come too mind), should we start harassing them too?

also Yuri-ism

also dont start with protecting the artist BS XD . you upload the art itself, the main dish, so protecting the artist is a complete BS !

The amount of rage this is and has been creating says otherwise.

ok look at it from this angle :
its just soo ironic mate... China the land of online piracy suddenly started Caring about artists protection!!!!! and a Japanese artist at that. has the hell broken lose ? XD
THE IRONY !
this might pass as an April Fool joke though.
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also one last thing.
how come its good for Chinese pirates to get their hands on the releases as fast as possible but its bad for the rest of the world ?
if this is so much about artist protection , then if China as the country with the largest community of online pirates equal to dozens of countries all together is prevented from pirating the books and are forced to buy the books, i believe it would fetch the artist several times more money !!
so from whom the artist needs protection actually ?

This post has been edited by salar: Jan 5 2014, 15:29

How interesting that so many feel so strongly about such weird things. First the Laruffii debacle, and now this.

If you don't want to see Chinese translations, turn it off in your settings.

if this is so much about artist protection , then if China as the country with the largest community of online pirates equal to dozens of countries all together is prevented from pirating the books and are forced to buy the books, i believe it would fetch the artist several times more money !!

Have you ever tried buying doujins from outside Japan? And how many Chinese do you think can actually read Japanese?

How interesting that so many feel so strongly about such weird things. First the Laruffii debacle, and now this.

If you don't want to see Chinese translations, turn it off in your settings.

The problem wasn't not wanting to see them at all (especially after the filter settings were added months ago). They're helpful to the community regardless, yes.

What I wanted to raise was whether or not not sharing the raws had a valid purpose or was otherwise disingenuous.

Have you ever tried buying doujins from outside Japan? And how many Chinese do you think can actually read Japanese?

yes mate i have.. im a raw uploader myself.
also dont change the subject please. im not talking who can read what and what not !

this is about artist protection your so insisting on and from whom true protection is needed ! China is the biggest market for these books and all, much bigger than japan itself . you all pirate at ease but when it comes to the rest of the world the artist needs protection and raw shouldnt be provided (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) .you can all buy the books and also have one of your many translator bring you a Chinese translation. what wrong with that ? what makes pirating completely legit for Chinese ?
if pirating is bad then it is bad for Chinese as much as it is for the rest of the world. no excuse there.
hope i made my point here .

your artist protection statement is totally flawed and untrue !

This post has been edited by salar: Jan 5 2014, 16:01