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Give me a real reason why to do that that isn't an appeal to emotion and I could consider it.

Logical appeal:

Given that the following statements are true:
1. Less bad things in the world is better than more bad things.
2. Humans consider sad emotions to be bad.
3. Humans have emotions
4. Humans should avoid causing bad things.
5. You, the person reading this, are a human.
6. The person that you are communicating with is also a human.
7. Humans can cause the emotions of other humans to change with their words and actions, both positively and negatively.
8. Sadness is a negative emotion.

One can derive that:
9. You, a human with emotions, can and should avoid causing other humans to be sad with your actions.

This is one of the reasons that I miss the serious debates forum.

Before those two fuckwits turned it into an intellectual and ideological leper colony.

You strike me as someone who's probably in their mid to late 20's.

That's because you still have compassion for other people.

Even the strange ones. (There's nothing wrong with that by the way.)

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I was like that once.

Most of us were at some point.

I'm 40 now and I just can't be fucked anymore.

I can only imagine how cynical and bereft of compassion I'll be if I make it to 50.

This meme perfectly reflects what I'm trying to say.

I anticipate this happening to myself. But that won't stop me from trying to avoid it for now.

I imagine you don't like the idea of some jaded internet dweller robbing someone of their humanity and boiling them down to a punchline in some rant that clearly shows how out of touch they are with an evolving society.

This is largely accurate, although I also don't think that society's evolving should matter much (at least in principle). I know I may not always live up to my ideals, but I hope that most of my behavior and attitudes towards people I meet today aren't something that I regret in a few years or decades.

I resonate strongly with your overall post.

I knew exactly what image you were going to use without even scrolling down. the "It'll happen to you!" thing. I think about that a lot especially because what "it" is (tiktok, AI art, mass surveillance) already scares me.

Oh, wait, I get it now.

YOU'RE the "transgender friend that you have." Of course. How silly of me.

If I am, then I had no idea until just now. And I still don't think I am.

You have interacted with one of them directly on these forums at some point in the last year or so. The other I'm thinking of I don't know if they have an account here.

And I do not consider myself friends with those two idiots that ruined the serious debates board.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Jan 28 2023, 10:15

Give me a real reason why to do that that isn't an appeal to emotion and I could consider it.

14. You, a human with emotions, can and should avoid causing other humans with emotions to be sad or angry with your actions.

Isn't that still an appeal to emotion?

People are random and unstable, I can at best ensure my own emotional stability in a given situation but not that of others that are claiming to be subjectively sad or angry for some reason.

If that argument was rational then we should just do everything the neurotic people on twitter and Tumblr demand and the probably world as we know it will end. They will all die off, and we will back to square one.

We should not entirely base our actions on the neurotic. So much of what is making society malfunction is trying to support people that can not be happy and who do not actually know what makes themselves happy.

This post has been edited by EsotericSatire: Jan 28 2023, 14:40

Logical appeal:

Given that the following statements are true:
1. Less bad things in the world is better than more bad things.
2. Humans consider sad emotions to be bad.
3. Humans have emotions
4. Humans should avoid causing bad things.
5. You, the person reading this, are a human.
6. The person that you are communicating with is also a human.
7. Humans can cause the emotions of other humans to change with their words and actions, both positively and negatively.
8. Sadness is a negative emotion.

One can derive that:
9. You, a human with emotions, can and should avoid causing other humans to be sad with your actions.

You're trying to QED this and failing. Nice attempt, though. I'm not going to worry about what I do that makes people who takes offense at every tiny innocuous thing "sad" because they were bound to get upset by something sooner rather than later. You're talking about people who [www.google.com] can mondegreen a lyric in a song, write articles about it, and get sad that people are correcting them

I'm also not concerned about appeasing a society that bends itself to near breaking with concerns to the happiness of one outgroup over any of the others. They have enough concern trolling in their favor, they do not need it from me.

concerns to the happiness of one outgroup over any of the others

Sagacious.

Trying to appease to everyones feelings would drive anyone crazy and depressed. No matter the stance on which you stand, someone will always oppose to it. It's an unhealthy lifestyle and a destroyer of a sense of self.

One friend of mine wont purchase Hogwarts Legacy solely because of his trans friend from childhood has said he will unfriend him if he does buy it. That is blatant bullying. I feel so sad for my friend for depraving himself of enjoyment just to appease to the trans.

Dave Chapelle paints a hilarious and true image of the trans community as a whole. Nothing hateful towards them, yet being marked as the worst of the worst.

his trans friend from childhood has said he will unfriend him if he does buy it.

God, that trans friend is so petty. I love rape hentai, and one of my exs who were a rape victim didn't care.

Can you imagine looking at the shit that's been done to that poor Desmond is Amazing kid and not immediately recognizing child abuse and cheering on that kind of garbage?

Isn't that still an appeal to emotion?

People are random and unstable, I can at best ensure my own emotional stability in a given situation but not that of others that are claiming to be subjectively sad or angry for some reason.

If that argument was rational then we should just do everything the neurotic people on twitter and Tumblr demand and the probably world as we know it will end. They will all die off, and we will back to square one.

We should not entirely base our actions on the neurotic. So much of what is making society malfunction is trying to support people that can not be happy and who do not actually know what makes themselves happy.

yes, and an appeal to emotion isn't necessarily an invalid one because humans still have emotions that are real.

Sounds like a cope to me.

k.

Sounds like a cope to me.

I wouldn't antagonize him like that. Children with autism have a harder time being teased because teasing requires intention, nonliteral communication, pretense, and social context.

Alternatively, you can be evil and edit the date on his post to be from the year 5000, then call him a robot.

k.

Had no idea you were so naive.

It's pretty disappointing, honestly.

It's pretty disappointing, honestly.

Really is. I was quite fond of him too

This post has been edited by esam: Jan 29 2023, 00:46

You guys are making it sound like it's just Big Trans, when really it's more of the individuals. Like, say 50% of trans people are downright evil, there are still 50% who genuinely feel they aren't the gender they were born as and just want to live a happy life whatever way they can.

Is it really absurd to wish upon a desire where people try to be nice to eachother unless they have a personal reason to hate fuck them? To be nice to a stranger until you have a valid reason not to be?

Is it naive to be distraught when others tell you that, with little regard of others, they will act in a way that satisfies themself and expect others to do the same? To get upset when someone says "I don't care if they are mentally ill, I WILL make fun of them and I WILL treat them how I WANT to treat them."

Dragontamer has a very hard time with being teased. I'm almost certain they blocked my messages simply because I was teasing him. I wasn't trying to be mean or hurt his feelings, and if I knew I was hurting his feelings I wouldn't have done it (at the time). I think, like Mags said, he's just a decent person in a world full of shitbags, and maybe he doesn't want to see people get treated in a way he was treated before.

Also my 2nd toe is longer than my big toe. I'm practically a freak of nature.

This post has been edited by AhumanRS: Jan 29 2023, 01:23

I already poured my heart out and said what I wanted to say. It's not my business trying to force people to change their opinions or to censure them. That'd make me no better than sensualaoi. Especially since I'm not actually the targeted group and am already attempting to speak on others' behalf.

It's pretty disappointing, honestly.

I'm a little disappointed, too, but not surprised or even especially upset. I knew going in it was likely going to be a waste of my time. But at least now you know my thoughts and I've made an attempt to express myself. That was all I really wanted to do.

I've attempted to engage with people regarding appeal to emotions before on e-h IRC and had no luck (been given one or two sentence dismissals), so I don't expect it's more worth my time here when others are going in with the conceit that at least some emotions and beliefs of others aren't worth giving credence.

Not everyone is necessarily so dead-set, so I still hope I might have reached someone, even if only to make them think a little. But I have no desire to try to force things further on FSZ.

This is one of the reasons that I miss the serious debates forum.

Before those two fuckwits turned it into an intellectual and ideological leper colony.

I might be willing to proceed further on the serious debate board. Assuming we can avoid them turning it into a smouldering crater.

Edit: Happened to see ahuman's post in the "last 10 posts" log below the post editing panel, since I forgot to make a rule for blocking that. I am contrasting myself, not comparing myself, with someone who tries to force their views on others and call them hitler if they don't accept that worldview.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Jan 29 2023, 02:02

Why is he comparing himself to sensiusquillie? Sensualaoi says pedophiles should be teachers. That's no where near saying trans people are still people.

That's no where near saying trans people are still people.

I mean, yeah, they're still people. And being people they also have a high propensity to be fucking garbage.

Comme ci comme ca

Why are the maps and trans flags so similar?

*blocking people*

Blocking in it's nature is a means of admitting defeat. Would never ignore or block anyone. Quite sad.

Why are the maps and trans flags so similar?

I had no idea MAP was even a thing. Learned it through googling just now. Wish I hadn't lol.
Suppose they are similar in their nature too. Sickening how grown men in wigs expose themselves to children under the delusion of people having to accept them.
Honestly pedophiles are better than those depraved drags. At least they are upfront about being fundamentally sick in the head. The drags hide it under their costumes and expect to be near the children.