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Parry is probably a bit low for DW (unless he uses club as mainhand) but it shouldn't be that big of a problem.
Pretty strange, at that level and with those stats even IW should be a cakewalk on hard.

yep. even such high STR/END if compared to DEX/AGI/WIS shouldn't be.

redphil, your gears please?

yep. even such high STR/END if compared to DEX/AGI/WIS shouldn't be.

I always find strange to see screenshot with low dex since for melee is probably a better stat than str.

I always find strange to see screenshot with low dex since for melee is probably a better stat than str.

yep. probably some people prefer a negligible boost in ADB rather than a boost in parry/crit. oh, well...

yep. probably some people prefer a negligible boost in ADB rather than a boost in parry/crit. oh, well...

Considering that for redphil STR is >4x the cost of dex it means dex would provide better ADB, parry, crit, accuracy and offhand strike.

This post has been edited by Sapo84: Oct 3 2016, 12:26

Parry is probably a bit low for DW (unless he uses club as mainhand) but it shouldn't be that big of a problem.
Pretty strange, at that level and with those stats even IW should be a cakewalk on hard.

Nah...when you have high enough level and a decent offhand weapon, the mainhand parry is almost irrelevant (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
Between Axe (0% parry) and Shortsword (29% parry) paired with the same rapier, the overall parry changes less than 10% (and this is why, this is for Scremaz, a Club of the Nimble is useless, its 11-12% Parry Chance would provide 3-4% overall parry at most, losing 15 base adb at least)

It's not 1h where there is no offhand and parry on mainhand is way more relevant (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (20% parry difference [40 to 60%] between Axe [0% parry] and Rapier [30.11% parry])

I always find strange to see screenshot with low dex since for melee is probably a better stat than str.

Never leave behind STR (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
For adb optimization it should always be double exp than dex.
More on STR would mean that STR would provide double the ADB than DEX but with more Exp cost, and vice versa.
If you keep STR and DEX very close, the crit and stuff loss is negligible.

For example I keep 2:1 Exp ratio between STR and DEX and my stats are actually 485 STR 465 DEX (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

yep. probably some people prefer a negligible boost in ADB rather than a boost in parry/crit. oh, well...

Me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Between Axe (0% parry) and Shortsword (29% parry) paired with the same rapier, the overall parry changes less than 10% (and this is why, this is for Scremaz, a Club of the Nimble is useless, its 11-12% Parry Chance would provide 3-4% overall parry at most, losing 15 base adb at least)

i have a Parry complex. i prefer to keep my bum protected in every possible way. plus, i think that when you have two weapons, both with IW10, spirit stance, heartseeker, PA effect, blah blah blah... mobs will die in 4-5 hits anyways. personally i think it's a bit of a stale. and tbh i have both Slaughter and Nimble Clubs.
nonetheless, thank you for your care. you are becoming a bit less bad person that what i remembered. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

Never leave behind STR (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
For adb optimization it should always be double exp than dex.
More on STR would mean that STR would provide double the ADB than DEX but with more Exp cost, and vice versa.
If you keep STR and DEX very close, the crit and stuff loss is negligible.

For example I keep 2:1 Exp ratio between STR and DEX and my stats are actually 485 STR 465 DEX (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

just fyi, STR already gives you double ADB than DEX. at your levels it should be something like 1 STR = 1.33 ADB and 1 DEX = 0.67 ADB.
but only good thing STR does is boosting ADB. DWers may prefer to boost also other stats, i guess.

Me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

you're a bad person. your voice is out of the choir (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

nonetheless, thank you for your care. you are becoming a bit less bad person that what i remembered. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

If I say it like "stop wasting credits on nimble clubs!!!", would I become bad again? Tell me pls.

just fyi, STR already gives you double ADB than DEX. at your levels it should be something like 1 STR = 1.33 ADB and 1 DEX = 0.67 ADB.
but only good thing STR does is boosting ADB.

That's what I said! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
If you calc only from the ADB standpoint, STR gives double ADB compared to DEX no matter what, so if you put too much DEX you will get to the point where 2 DEX will take way more exp than 1 STR and you'll get the same adb from both. In the same way, too much STR would give you the same effect, you'd use too much exp to get double ADB from each point.
So, optimized is 2 Exp Str = 1 Exp Dex, and that's almost a balanced stat at our level.
And I made an example with my stats, they are 20 points from each other (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I highly doubt that with 475 475 my parry and crit would be that much better (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
The sure thing is that I'd lose around 13 adb, almost three quarters of an upgrade on the rapier with a binding of slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

This post has been edited by ppp82p: Oct 3 2016, 13:46

Even my wife never said that! heh.. especially now. She mostly just says "The remote is over there."

And I'm with you on the Soul Fragments. I've been starving for them since going active last April. Jeez!
And the WIKI claims we were able to buy them at one time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Yeah, she was unique.

Looks like we both and a few other did choose the worse possible time for a timeout. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) But you know what me hurt the most? Its not that others have multiple k of fragments. Its that after i have Soulbound my stuff and get a little stockpile of fragments, i will never care about them ever again.

If I say it like "stop wasting credits on nimble clubs!!!", would I become bad again? Tell me pls.

i said 'a little less'. don't start daydreaming now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

That's what I said! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
If you calc only from the ADB standpoint, STR gives double ADB compared to DEX no matter what, so if you put too much DEX you will get to the point where 2 DEX will take way more exp than 1 STR and you'll get the same adb from both. In the same way, too much STR would give you the same effect, you'd use too much exp to get double ADB from each point.
So, optimized is 2 Exp Str = 1 Exp Dex, and that's almost a balanced stat at our level.
And I made an example with my stats, they are 20 points from each other (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I highly doubt that with 475 475 my parry and crit would be that much better (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
The sure thing is that I'd lose around 13 adb, almost three quarters of an upgrade on the rapier with a binding of slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

uh... you do realize we're speaking about 13 ADB out of a 7~8k pool, right? something like 0.2% (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Its not that others have multiple k of fragments. Its that after i have Soulbound my stuff and get a little stockpile of fragments, i will never care about them ever again.

i'm not at multiple k, if it can help you. plus, they are already monopolized by a lv499 item (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Nah...when you have high enough level and a decent offhand weapon, the mainhand parry is almost irrelevant (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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I never gave suggestions about mainhand with parry, I just noted that his parry is not very high for DW, but that may be caused by not using shortsword/rapier on mainhand (club and axe have their good points too).

The sure thing is that I'd lose around 13 adb, almost three quarters of an upgrade on the rapier with a binding of slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

No, if the values are what Scremaz posted earlier (1.33 vs 0.67) (since they are logarithmic they get worse the higher the stats are) you actually lose 6.7 adb.
Which is still not correct because 465 + 485 don't use the same amount of exp of 475+475, so it's more likely something similar to 476 + 476 (I don't relly want to do the math), and that reduces the ADB loss to a whooping 4.7 adb.
And if you consider that 0.1 crit is worth around 52 adb you can see that dex doesn't seem that bad anymore (and more parry is always good).

even without considering the fact you're using Chrome, how comes at lv350 you struggle to end Hard IWs? your stats seem nice. you shouldn't even cure at that difficulty, and barely do it with DW (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Laziness? I mean I don't die. I'm just continuously hitting cure, regen running at all times, struggling with keeping mana and spirit at usable levels, and concentrating to the point my eyes water. Not kidding. But I never get killed.. not any fun though. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Parry is probably a bit low for DW (unless he uses club as mainhand) but it shouldn't be that big of a problem.
Pretty strange, at that level and with those stats even IW should be a cakewalk on hard.

I'm still going on what I learned when I ramped up in April. I may have misunderstood and learned wrong. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

yep. even such high STR/END if compared to DEX/AGI/WIS shouldn't be.

redphil, your gears please?

Main
Offhand
this
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I always find strange to see screenshot with low dex since for melee is probably a better stat than str.

I love watching that ADB go up though.

Considering that for redphil STR is >4x the cost of dex it means dex would provide better ADB, parry, crit, accuracy and offhand strike.

So Dex should go up higher than level?

The bottom line guys, is I've been seriously winging it since I started playing 6 or 7 months ago.
I think I just now understand enough of what's going on, where I can be straightened out and understand what everyone means.

I'll never leave DW/Light though. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Laziness? I mean I don't die. I'm just continuously hitting cure, regen running at all times, struggling with keeping mana and spirit at usable levels, and concentrating to the point my eyes water. Not kidding. But I never get killed.. not any fun though. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
I'm still going on what I learned when I ramped up in April. I may have misunderstood and learned wrong. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Main
Offhand
this
and this
and thisand this
and just put these on
I love watching that ADB go up though.
So Dex should go up higher than level?

The bottom line guys, is I've been seriously winging it since I started playing 6 or 7 months ago.
I think I just now understand enough of what's going on, where I can be straightened out and understand what everyone means.

I'll never leave DW/Light though. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

you should change that offhand weapon ASAP (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

you should change that offhand weapon ASAP (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I had 5 separate pieces of peerless that I've won in auctions..
Every single one turned out to be shit.

That's how I won them!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Bummer... got to go to work. Gotta force myself out the door.

And if you consider that 0.1 crit is worth around 52 adb

...52?

I had 5 separate pieces of peerless that I've won in auctions..
Every single one turned out to be shit.

That's how I won them!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Bummer... got to go to work. Gotta force myself out the door.

A common trash Leg waki of nimble is much much better than your offhand weapon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I had 5 separate pieces of peerless that I've won in auctions..
Every single one turned out to be shit.

That's how I won them!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Bummer... got to go to work. Gotta force myself out the door.

well , just change it fast (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

A common trash Leg waki of nimble is much much better than your offhand weapon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

true (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

even without considering the fact you're using Chrome, how comes at lv350 you struggle to end Hard IWs? your stats seem nice. you shouldn't even cure at that difficulty, and barely do it with DW (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Why is chrome bad? I use chrome to play hv too. Firefox is my main browser. I would use Firefox but I have a lot of bookmarks and scripts and they slow my t/s. Is there another browser I could use?

This post has been edited by Born In Winter: Oct 3 2016, 18:34

Couldn't hath Exchange for the price I wanted them at, so got Dæmon Duality! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

No, if the values are what Scremaz posted earlier (1.33 vs 0.67) (since they are logarithmic they get worse the higher the stats are) you actually lose 6.7 adb.

450+367+38 STR
450+481+36 DEX
7437 ADB.

if STR = 447, then ADB = 7433 -> 3 STR = 4 ADB -> 1 STR = 1.33 ADB
if DEX = 447, then ADB = 7435 -> 3 DEX = 2 ADB -> 1 DEX = 0.67 ADB

difference in ADB is negligible (2 ADB out of 7.4k? come on...), so i don't see a point in not boosting other stats as well.

Laziness? I mean I don't die. I'm just continuously hitting cure, regen running at all times, struggling with keeping mana and spirit at usable levels, and concentrating to the point my eyes water. Not kidding. But I never get killed.. not any fun though. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

at your level, with such a rapier and such forge levels? amazing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Why is chrome bad? I use chrome to play hv too. Firefox is my main browser. I would use Firefox but I have a lot of bookmarks and scripts and they slow my t/s. Is there another browser I could use?

Chrome is a plague. if you really, really have to use a Chrome-ish browser, give Iron a try - which is where Chrome comes out, btw. if what [www.srware.net] this page says it's true your navigation should be a bit better. all the scripts that work on Chrome *should* be compatible with Iron too, but waiting for confirmation.

Main
Offhand
this
and this
and thisand this
and just put these on

I'll never leave DW/Light though. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

In that case, assuming your signature about hath perks is up to date, I suggest you postpone your Tokenizer purchase and buy at least Innate Arcana III, maybe even IV. Then you put Spark of Life, Spirit Shield, Haste and Shadow Veil (if you unlock IA IV) to autocast and keep Protection up by casting it manually. All of these spells should be on at all times, make sure to also invest ability points to max all of the supportive abilities you use. Mana cost will not be an issue with Arcanist armor, RR perk, IA mana cost reduction and Gold Star regeneration. This should allow you to play at least on Nintendo or IWBTH with relative ease.

For PFUDOR you will probably need a better off hand weapon (and perhaps more Overpower for better experience). Good option for off hand weapon is a Wakizashi of the Nimble (in my opinion the best off hand with a Rapier of Slaughter).

The main thing is that you need to play at least on Hell difficulty to avoid getting the loot drop frequency penalty.