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Sep 24 2016, 00:24
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Logii
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 24 2016, 00:26)  yes. obviously some hits will miss, but nothing to worry so much about. for example, PF T&T is quite easy. PF FSM too. just saying (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) of course i cannot. currently only 1H can do such thing. i enable it from time to time. but i'm a bit lazy and often i forget to (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Yeah, playing arenas on PFUDOR doable I guess, but it's hardly a joy if you try to manage OC and Spirit Stance at all. When I was building my DW set I was assuming that with decent Overpower (I thought OP5+ would be enough...) I could effectively stop the monster parries and that way I would get more consistent OC drain and damage. But as I have said before, it didn't help as much as I expected. QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 24 2016, 00:26)  203% here or something like that. currently on arena so i will give you the exact value later. [edit]: 203.4%. but i plan to replace Rapier and two armors and to forge them a bit, so it should be grow a little. 206~207 should be expected at the end.
btw, i'm not sure but i read once that very, very high ACC (200+ ?) has a similar effect to Overpower. i may remember wrong though, so better to ask for confirmation. also, tbh it's not like i check battle logs. but i see mobs' HP bars going down very frequently, so i assume a relatively low amount of hits are parried
Yes, accuracy over 200% completely prevents monsters from evading. Anything over 200% is not needed and gives you no gain. Also it does not affect monster parries at all, only Overpower does. However, I would be interested to know if monster parries could be completely removed with high enough Overpower (basically Overpower 9-10). The best thing I could ask for would be a script that counts parried/evaded/missed attacks. That would be the only way I could accurately see the real parry rates. I would like to compare DW against 1H too. My 1H set has no Overpower, so I get parried somewhat often even with that, the difference is that OC is not a problem and Overwhelming Strikes saves you sooner or later even from the most chaosed monsters. QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 24 2016, 00:26)  personally i always find useful to have a backup set. both to IW your main one and to be ready in case shit should happen. maybe not going as far as me - backup ready for every melee style, and with different combos as well (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) - but at least one... yep. but one patch is all what's needed for it to get fucked up. should it happen, DW gears' prices will skyrocket. better to acquire them now while they're cheap (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) and axes, well - too much bad points in using them. personally i prefer Rapier/Waki combo. sooner or later i'll start to IW (very lazily) a Club/Rapier combo too. Having backup sets is nice, but once you get one good set you can afford using a lower quality equipment when doing IW for another piece from your set. New patches can indeed make some equipment more valuable or less valuable, but in case of patches like 0.82, it can also make all your equipment investments worthless in a hurry. I might buy some Shade armors too, but mainly because I want to give DW a fair chance when comparing it to 1H. (Lately I have also thought of buying gear for 1H mage/mage, if only I had the motivation to invest my time and credits to multiple fighting styles instead of mindlessly grinding with 1H... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)) As for the DW weapon combinations, I know Rapier/Wakizashi is the most popular one, I just want to try something else with the Axe/Rapier combination. Choosing the weapons is mainly just a matter of defense vs. firepower anyway.
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Sep 24 2016, 00:37
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(Logii @ Sep 23 2016, 21:28)  After trying DW with OP7, I would reset anything that wasn't going to be OP4-5. If you plan on playing on PFUDOR, OP is the main goal. For off hand the second priority is Fatality. Personally I would reset your current IW. Though I never reset my Axe IW, instead I just gave up on DW (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Try club (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Unfortunately my axe is soulbound since a couple of weeks so I can't lend it to you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Anyway, tried DW with OP8 and it's not that underwhelming but after experiencing permastance, non 1H bores you very fast (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Sep 24 2016, 00:42
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Logii @ Sep 24 2016, 00:24)  Yeah, playing arenas on PFUDOR doable I guess, but it's hardly a joy if you try to manage OC and Spirit Stance at all.
it's one of the reasons because i want to go for Fatality. with DW Shade's innate high Crit chance (51% at my level, but i only have one SD) plus Heartseeker, it's like having something similar to Spirit Stance always on. or at least, it allows you a bit more of a mindless game. however with one full OC bar and a bit of luck i can clear 1.5~2 rounds usually. QUOTE(Logii @ Sep 24 2016, 00:24)  Yes, accuracy over 200% completely prevents monsters from evading. Anything over 200% is not needed and gives you no gain. Also it does not affect monster parries at all, only Overpower does. However, I would be interested to know if monster parries could be completely removed with high enough Overpower (basically Overpower 9-10).
you do know that Overpower works in a multiplicative fashion, right? which means it doesn't simply remove (just saying) 20 points from mob's native parry, but 20% of such native parry. QUOTE(Logii @ Sep 24 2016, 00:24)  Having backup sets is nice, but once you get one good set you can afford using a lower quality equipment when doing IW for another piece from your set. New patches can indeed make some equipment more valuable or less valuable, but in case of patches like 0.82, it can also make all your equipment investments worthless in a hurry.
chances of another .82-like patch to happen in the near time are close to zero. maybe some ninja tweaks, but i guess both me and you may grow bored of the game before we'll be put again in such a situation. plus, melee gears are an evergreen. they may not be as OP as mage, but combine this and that, you'll always have something decent. on the other hand, when you bet everything (or at least many millions) on a certain element and such element is nerfed... QUOTE(Logii @ Sep 24 2016, 00:24)  As for the DW weapon combinations, I know Rapier/Wakizashi is the most popular one, I just want to try something else with the Axe/Rapier combination. Choosing the weapons is mainly just a matter of defense vs. firepower anyway.
your call, sir. personally i wouldn't trade a bunch of ADB for my 83% parry. but it's a game. do what you like (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(ppp82p @ Sep 24 2016, 00:37)  Try club (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Unfortunately my axe is soulbound since a couple of weeks so I can't lend it to you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Anyway, tried DW with OP8 and it's not that underwhelming but after experiencing permastance, non 1H bores you very fast (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) try DW with IW10 weapons, 85% Crit damage, Spirit Stance and Heartseeker on and the joy of cutting monsters like butter (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) btw, just checked auctions prices. it seems i will really have to throw away a couple of millions this time. i'm not used to do this (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 24 2016, 00:55
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Sep 24 2016, 00:56
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Sep 24 2016, 00:48)  I have it...84% Crit Damage with Shortsword+Rapier, 80% with Axe+Rapier (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) But 1h does the same thing (better) without worrying about stopping hovering and pressing S each 4 rounds (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) really? woah! all savage armors too?
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Sep 24 2016, 00:57
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 23 2016, 23:26)  personally i always find useful to have a backup set. both to IW your main one and to be ready in case shit should happen
1H Mage (ok, you can build different mage sets) That's it, there is literally no incentive whatsoever to keep anything else at the moment. DW is an inferior 1H, and 2H (niten included) is an inferior mage.
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Sep 24 2016, 00:58
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 24 2016, 00:56)  really? woah! all savage armors too?
Yup QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Sep 24 2016, 00:57)  2H (niten included) is an inferior mage.
Not even close (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Sep 24 2016, 01:01
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Sep 24 2016, 00:57)  1H Mage (ok, you can build different mage sets)
That's it, there is literally no incentive whatsoever to keep anything else at the moment. DW is an inferior 1H, and 2H (niten included) is an inferior mage.
you won't convert me to the dark side, sir (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) QUOTE(ppp82p @ Sep 24 2016, 00:58)  Yup
SD? Fleet? whatever else?
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Sep 24 2016, 01:04
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 24 2016, 01:01)  you won't convert me to the dark side, sir (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) SD? Fleet? whatever else? Shade Set: [ Helmet] / [Body] / [Hands] / [Legs] / [Feet]I had more SD before, but some stuff was missing PABs/had 0.81 stats/was too low leveled (the helmet is still an old SD with low level and no dex until lv 415)
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Sep 24 2016, 01:19
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Sep 24 2016, 01:11)  I'm just a nice guy that wants to spread the truth (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (like when I was telling ppp82p 1H was superior to DW and he didn't believe me, good people are always misunderstood (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) ) Less people using 1H or Mageing the better it is for buying upgrades, so I have really no interests in converting anyone. fact is, i'm actively grinding holy prof. almost all abilities maxed etc etc. 280 prof. i really find it a harder style to play if compared to 1H/DW and i'm always afraid my character could die from potion intoxication. though i have to admit it works wonders for Hell SGs...
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Sep 24 2016, 01:59
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RoadShoe
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Sep 24 2016, 00:57) 
DW is an inferior 1H, and 2H (niten included) is an inferior mage.
Blasphemy! You have insulted many proud warriors kupo! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/lurk.gif)
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Sep 24 2016, 03:21
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Sep 24 2016, 03:02)  faster than sapo ~ last time his record is around 2H 20mins before he become mage (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Did one time only just for fun. If I did it now I would probably be able to do it in 2 hours or something like that. Problem is 2 hours is like fucking forever, I'm pretty happy with being able to play more arenas using less time than before after the mage switch (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) More time for fapping. (also sooner or later I'll IW the hallowed rapier and see how it goes with arenas/fest) This post has been edited by Sapo84: Sep 24 2016, 03:21
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Sep 24 2016, 23:15
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Hinoka
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Sep 25 2016, 01:08
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RoadShoe
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 24 2016, 00:42)  try DW with IW10 weapons, 85% Crit damage, Spirit Stance and Heartseeker on and the joy of cutting monsters like butter (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Gospel! (Throws hands in the air, dances in a circle, raises head, and screams "hallelujah!!") 95% Crit damage probably makes no difference, and butter is butter. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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