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This post has been edited by Ming28561: Feb 22 2020, 11:22

I tried that, didn't do shit for me. Non imperil dark full radiant 4+1, how much more glass cannon can you get? I reforged my j5c5 peerlesses robe to j5w4h1. Saves me some turns in pffest.

I think j5c5 is useless than j5h5. For me, I don't use ME in general. so capacitor only provide extra mana at the beginning of each battle. Even for someone who don't use MP/MD, they could only save at most 15-20 MEs(turn) per GF.(I don't think 20 turns meanful)

For some players, I think the only reason they need 5+5 is to save ME as they use elixirs instead of potion/draught/gem. (If they mind the cost on ME, why would they cost huge credits to get their armors5j5c and the use of elixirs?)

This post has been edited by Ming28561: Feb 20 2020, 06:55

DwD 14:43, first time under 15min (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

When a poor person like me looks at lottery - hmm, what if I bought 10 tickets? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I think it's my fourth time putting max 20k on power slaughters... Well, I'll get it next time.

I really haven't been able to get the things I want from lotto for quite a while now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
Btw, Hathrate 10/Day, a very big achievement. I never thought I can achieve this. FoS is not far anymore! I just need to wait about 2 months to gather 1k and I'm all set (plus 49k bought from others).
Sold as many catgirls as my own stars now.

Congrats.

Over 100,000 iterations, my IW simulator says that double-potency IW on non-elemental prefix armor averages ~200 resets, and ~240 shards used. The worst case in those 100k was just a bit over 2500 resets, with about 3000 shards used.

Although, I do not think capacitor actually helps much anyway... it is just for vanity (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I have several questions.

Why the amount of shards used is more than reset time, did the sample start with X20 rather than X15?
(Sorry, I just realize that resets time don't equal to total round)

What is the creditable interval of average reset times and shards used?

What is the average cost of 5J from your IW simulator, should one continue in the case 3J+5cold proof?

This post has been edited by Ming28561: Feb 22 2020, 11:43

I have several questions.

Why the amount of shards used is more than reset time, did the sample start with X20 rather than X15?
(Sorry, I just realize that resets time don't equal to total round)

What is the creditable interval of average reset times and shards used?

What is the average cost of 5J from your IW simulator, should one continue in the case 3J+5cold proof?

I am not sure how to calculate a credible interval, and for the second question, the start point for the simulator is always 0 so I cannot show simulated averages for that (however, I can provide the logic behind the simulator).

In the case where 2 potencies already exist, there is a 25% chance of adding a new potency, and a 75% chance of adding to an existing potency (which would normally be split 50/50, but since 5cold is on this example, it's 75% chance of juggernaut).

So the chance of getting 5J would be 1 - failure rate ^ levels left = 1-(0.25^2)=93.75% chance of success (obviously, one should continue for this).

In other cases, it's harder to calculate because it depends on whether you're optimizing your runs based on how much you charge for runs or how much you charge for shards. For example: if your first IWBTH run gives you 2 levels in the same non-juggernaut potency, should you reset or continue? When I was running IW service at 7c/pxp and 13k shard cost, I calculated it to be better value for the customer for me to reset (unless their item had low pxp0) - although it was very close. For personal runs, I do not reset until I get 2 non-jugg potencies.

The average cost of J5 depends on whether the armor has an elemental prefix or not. Doing 50,000 completed items...

Elemental prefix: Max shards: 303 | Max resets: 220 | Avg resets: 18 | Avg shards: 24
Non-elemental prefix: Max shards: 373 | Max resets: 303 | Avg resets: 21 | Avg shards: 27

And here's for 5/4 on staffs:
Max shards: 1933 | Max resets: 1407 | Avg resets: 105 | Avg shards: 145

I did also do this visual for distribution on 5+5 non-elemental armors (the filled part shows how many of the total 10,000 items had achieved 5+5 by that number of shards).



It's not extremely informative, and I can't replicate this for other setups because I uninstalled the framework that allowed me to do it, and I don't remember how I did it anymore anyway (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by lestion: Feb 22 2020, 14:03

Finished reworking a bit that section of the wiki:
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Advice_...ed#Melee_Weapon

DJNoni, lestion and I are probably going to keep messing things up for a while till we're satisfied with the results.

Nuooooo! That page isn't the same without the very useful™ remark.

& quit it with technical stuff about niten. It's been scientifically & clinically proven that it's all about 妖怪が鍛えた我が楼観剣に、断てぬものなど余り無し。

Finished reworking a bit that section of the wiki:
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Advice_...ed#Melee_Weapon

DJNoni, lestion and I are probably going to keep messing things up for a while till we're satisfied with the results.

Good job to everyone involved! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I just don't agree with that part (in red) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) :

Slashing weapons (Axes, Shortswords, etc) have slightly higher stats in various aspects, but the Bleeding Wound proc is rather weak if used alone.
- While being impractical at first glance, or performing poorly when used randomly, the slashing weapons / the Bleeding Wound proc are excellent candidates in expert builds/strats designed to deal the largest damage output or achieve the best clear times.

In the theory presented about BW this may "perhaps" be real. However, in practice, no valid and reliable tests have been presented so far. And preferably by a considerable number of players. To date, the few existing results (over the years, based on the practical experiences of some players) in this case, have always indicated the opposite (with the exception of only one player, after all, they say that every rule has its exception (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ).

Thanks for your research, your work do helps me a lot.

Yeah, the optimizer strategy depends on the charges for runs and shards. Since I just need a rough vision of the average round. I think the general IW strategy(reset when the number of J is less than a half at even potencies) is asympotic to the best strategy, under general charge, so your results should be complete reliable. So upset to hear that you had uninstalled the framework (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Elemental prefix: Max shards: 303 | Max resets: 220 | Avg resets: 18 | Avg shards: 24
Non-elemental prefix: Max shards: 373 | Max resets: 303 | Avg resets: 21 | Avg shards: 27

It was awesome that prefix would influence a lot!

In the case where 2 potencies already exist, there is a 25% chance of adding a new potency, and a 75% chance of adding to an existing potency (which would normally be split 50/50, but since 5cold is on this example, it's 75% chance of juggernaut).

So the chance of getting 5J would be 1 - failure rate ^ levels left = 1-(0.25^2)=93.75% chance of success (obviously, one should continue for this).

I was confused how this formula "In the case where 2 potencies already exist, there is a 25% chance of adding a new potency, and a 75% chance of adding to an existing potency" work , when there are already a full potency, like 3J 5cold. Someone told me that in this suitation, there was 50% chance to add a new one, the same as 1 potency case.

I don't know which one is right, since I couldn't find a detail explaination to this formula.

Finally, I failed myself IW again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

This post has been edited by Ming28561: Feb 22 2020, 18:40

In the theory presented about BW this may "perhaps" be real. However, in practice, no valid and reliable tests have been presented so far.

3... 2... 1...

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You totally asked for it, seriously.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Feb 22 2020, 18:38

In the case where 2 potencies already exist, there is a 25% chance of adding a new potency, and a 75% chance of adding to an existing potency (which would normally be split 50/50, but since 5cold is on this example, it's 75% chance of juggernaut).

Not if one of the two potencies is already lv 5.

In the theory presented about BW this may "perhaps" be real. However, in practice, no valid and reliable tests have been presented so far. And preferably by a considerable number of players. To date, the few existing results (over the years, based on the practical experiences of some players) in this case, have always indicated the opposite (with the exception of only one player, after all, they say that every rule has its exception (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ).

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And preferably by a considerable number of players.

Shame everyone jumps on the rapier bandwagon (due partly to the advise of the wiki most likely), or maybe there'd be more examples lol

This isn't the thread for it, but for what it's worth, I don't think there is enough difference between rapier and shortsword against normal mobs to really matter, in my experience you don't proc near near often enough due to how quick you kill the monsters anyway, and when you do the monsters usually just got a hit left in it anyway. Unless you don't imperil of course, which is daft regardless of what 1h weapon you use.

As for the difference against bosses, it depends on if you use skills, which most people probably do. For skills (my experience is in VS as opposed to OFC, so maybe some differences), the better crit and adb of a shortsword might give it the edge, but again, small enough difference that I can't see why it would matter so much. Against ROB bosses, short sword is excellent, since you auto get bleeding wounds and can just merciful blow the moment they are low enough on health.

This post has been edited by Ubershank: Feb 22 2020, 21:17

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So I tried my mage set yesterday as I have completed collecting the whole set solely through lotteries (from top to bottom), it was amazing. Now I am switching to playing mage. Sadly I couldn't continue to play 1H until 500. I mean, 494 is close enough. My 1H prof is very close to 550 anyway.

Full phase:

With Prof:


So I couldn't resist getting my hands on a usable gear for fests. So I bought all the haths and become a follower of Snowflake.



My first four shrines are amazing, this is one of my happiest moment in HV, not gonna lie. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

(Also, I got two peerless from shrining, and the first one is even more amazing)

I'll let you look at my signature to find out.



So now sell me trophies, please. I'm aiming for a fully charged wind set. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

My first four shrines are amazing, this is one of my happiest moment in HV, not gonna lie. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

(Also, I got two peerless from shrining, and the first one is even more amazing)

Congrats, you lucky bastard (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

i did not die for 1 month. until today ...

My first four shrines are amazing, this is one of my happiest moment in HV, not gonna lie. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

(Also, I got two peerless from shrining, and the first one is even more amazing)

So, you're the one who stole my luck.

In the theory presented about BW this may "perhaps" be real. However, in practice, no valid and reliable tests have been presented so far. And preferably by a considerable number of players. To date, the few existing results (over the years, based on the practical experiences of some players) in this case, have always indicated the opposite (with the exception of only one player, after all, they say that every rule has its exception (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ).

Just to be clear, I was referring to the comparison of practical results (time, turns, t/s, and other information provided by scripts) between Shortsword and Rapier. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

So I couldn't resist getting my hands on a usable gear for fests. So I bought all the haths and become a follower of Snowflake.

Congratulations!!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

My first four shrines are amazing, this is one of my happiest moment in HV, not gonna lie. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

(Also, I got two peerless from shrining, and the first one is even more amazing)

Your luck is incredibly scary. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Left some to borrow? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

The bulk of my monster army is exactly PL250 now.
These are the very last days I'll be feeding it with Chow... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)