QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 14 2019, 06:35)
Used an almost full slaughter set, which defeats the purpose of the shortsword's higher ADB in the first place
In the old days, when I used only Plate, and then a mixture of Power (Balance + Protection + Warding), I used a Legendary Hallowed Shortsword of Slaughter. When I replaced with a Legendary Shocking Rapier of Slaughter, all my times improved (always playing under the same conditions). I just started to ride my Slaughter set after that. And considering your statement to be true, to me that just means that Shortswords are not a good choice for anyone who uses only Power Slaughter.
QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 14 2019, 06:35)
Doesn't use Aether Shards, which are crucial to land Imperil successfully
For this I would have to use this always, regardless of the type of sword I choose. In fact not just me. As you say, everyone would be "required" to use Aether Shards. I do not use for lack of custom, and also for cost reasons. I did not gain Aether Shards enough to be able to use at least 1 per day. Maybe someday I'll test it.
QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 14 2019, 06:35)
Didn't answer other crucial questions: depr prof, tolerance regarding misses of Imperil
But I answered this somewhere. (IMG:[
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 14 2019, 06:35)
Plays Imp Shortsword very badly: you do not kill monsters from bottom to top in that playstyle, you slash to death the non imperiled ones first then finish the rest evenly, if they're not already dead
For me, playing the way you say is practically impossible simply because I do not use scripts. I can not hit quickly just the monsters that were not Imperiled, that is, look for the right key to press, and then move to the next option.
QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 14 2019, 06:35)
Basically traded his Rapier for a Shortsword, which is a no-no
Actually, for my specific case, this is a truth. Maybe for many other players too. (IMG:[
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style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) But from my point of view, this was not what I wanted to demonstrate, nor was it what I understood from the results.
From the results I got, I understand that a Shortsword is only slightly worse than a equivalent Rapier (most people always said that it was much worse), with the advantage that Shortswords are always much cheaper than Rapiers. Considering your first statement, I would say that Shortswords are a good choice for lower-level players who do not have many credits to spend on a good Rapier, and in many cases do not use Power Slaughter as well (at least not a complete set or most of the pieces). And remembering again: always playing under the same conditions.
In addition, I have also shown that the use of Imperil is also important to Rapiers. This contradicts those who once said that only Penetrated Armor was enough and that the application of Imperil was a waste of time. If someone does not agree, take the test and post the results. (IMG:[
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 14 2019, 06:35)
The only thing that you've really managed to prove here, is that as I was already saying before, Imp Shortsword is a style that doesn't tolerate the smallest bit of mediocrity in terms of preparation. That much I have already warned about it plenty of times. You took it lightly and therefore the only results you could get are mediocre.
It's like the Force: one does not simply say "let's use the Force". That's not how it works.
You don't simply switch your rapier to a shortsword, cast Imperil without changing your attack pattern, and then call it a day, pretending that you're playing Imp Shortsword. There's a lot more to it than just that, hence my numerous questions. Just how much time and knowledge do you think it took me to refine the Imp Shortsword playstyle?
In this case, the problem for me is another. I tried to play the same way so I could compare with as many (or at least similar) parameters as possible. I understand that if I change things too much, the comparison loses its meaning. It would be like comparing 1H with 2H ou DW. They are different styles, with different gameplay.
Also, I've always played more or less this way over the years, using different weapons (Exquisite Tempestuous Axe of Slaughter, Legendary Tempestuous Rapier of Balance, Legendary Hallowed Shortsword of Slaughter, Legendary Shocking Rapier of Slaughter, Peerless Shocking Shortsword of Slaughter, Legendary Hallowed Rapier of Slaughter).
But I understand what you said. For you the ideal would be to compare the "optimized way to play with a Shortsword" with the "optimized way to play with a Rapier". Unfortunately this is something only you can do. I'll be waiting for the results. (IMG:[
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 14 2019, 06:35)
It's easy to "not prove" that it's shit if you don't play it properly, if you don't even
understand the spirit behind it. But frankly I don't care, I don't
want to convince anyone in the first place. I'm perfectly fine with everyone being contradictory by saying that it's shit while beaing jealous of my PFFEST clear times. I'm even more fine with players being unable to grasp the spirit that comes with it. I'm even more fine being the only one skilled enough to draw its true power from a shortsword. I'd lose my identity otherwise.
Whatever. Nice try. But quite not there yet. (IMG:[
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Here I think the problem is that, because you have greatly optimized the gameplay with Shortsword, and by understanding the mechanics of the game as a whole, you believe that a Shortsword is always superior to a Rapier in any circumstance. And that anyone who does any test that shows otherwise will always be wrong (or at least far from the truth) by the fact that they do not play the same way as you do.
And about your good times, I believe this is only due to the fact that you have a good connection between your computer and the game server (in fact, much better than most of the players). Add to this, perhaps, some optimization you have made in your connection, and which many lay people (like me) do not know how to do (if you did something special, please tell us in detail; share your knowledge in this area (IMG:[
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They say that every rule has its exception. Well, I guess you're the exception. (IMG:[
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Honestly, I wish more people would also do this type of test, even using an Axe or a Club.
What's the last thing you've (not) accomplished?, Anything that doesn't fit in other threads
Jul 13 2019, 15:22
