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Not at all, it's cheaper to get ADB by going rapier lvl 99 -> 100 than to forge a peerless slaughter armor from lvl 39 -> 40.
(ADB gained are actually a bit more from the armor but material cost is higher due to RA so it's less cost-efficient)

Above a certain level it may be "cheaper" (a RA is not that expensive...) but gives you close to no ADB...

Never upgrade only the rapier, especially if you don't have slaughter armors, invest in those and upgrade where it gives you more adb from the single upgrade (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Above a certain level it may be "cheaper" (a RA is not that expensive...) but gives you close to no ADB...

Slaughter armors don't give a tons of ADB after lvl 15-25 either...

Anyway, the ADB increase is pretty easy to calculate and there is the forge optimizer.
Optimizing BoS usage is not rocket science (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Anyway, the ADB increase is pretty easy to calculate and there is the forge optimizer.
Optimizing BoS usage is not rocket science (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I made a spreadsheet for my stuff some ages before that existed.
And I would never go only on the rapier alone (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

And I would never go only on the rapier alone (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Who said that?
At least 25 lvl or 35 for armors/leggings it's a good idea before fully forging rapier, lvl 50 as you suggested in the above post is honestly too much.

Who said that?
At least 25 lvl or 35 for armors/leggings it's a good idea before fully forging rapier, lvl 50 as you suggested in the above post is honestly too much.

My spreadsheet says: Rapier 100, Armor 52, Leggings 45, Helmet 43, Gauntlets 39, Boots 30 (I'm 231 BoS far from that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) )
With my ADB ranges of course.

This post has been edited by End Of All Hope: Sep 10 2017, 00:28

Slaughter armors don't give a tons of ADB after lvl 15-25 either...

Anyway, the ADB increase is pretty easy to calculate and there is the forge optimizer.
Optimizing BoS usage is not rocket science (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

speaking of which, at a certain point i thought about merging forge optimizer and forge cost calculator into one, to give users the chance to pursue both the most roll-efficient and the most cost-efficient paths.
but apart for being one hell of a work (especially to do with excel and without some code), i fear it could be seen as a certain level of automatization...

I made a spreadsheet for my stuff some ages before that existed.

actually, it was him who gave me this idea. i merely improved his (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
and even before, Frederiksc (who also helped me) told me about some similar studies of his on his gears. what he probably didn't know was that he could apply those particular numeric values only to his build, but the main idea of not forging gears equally was already there.

My spreadsheet says: Rapier 100, Armor 52, Leggings 45, Helmet 43, Gauntlets 39, Boots 30 (I'm 231 BoS far from that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) )
With my ADB ranges of course.

yep. apart for RA/catalyst costs, it heavily depends on your starting rolls.

btw, do our spreadsheets give the same (or at least comparable) results?

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 10 2017, 00:38

btw, do our spreadsheets give the same (or at least comparable) results?

I don't remember.
Does it consider upgrade costs? If yes, then for sure not (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I don't remember.
Does it consider upgrade costs? If yes, then for sure not (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

no. definitely not. as i said, i was planning to add that feature, but until i'll do it (probably never) one should manually check both optimizer and cost calculator at the same time. or accepting a bit of uncertainty and go by mood, excluding one gear, limiting one... etc etc.

Yeah, they're probably the same or so then.

Unfortunately it still does not consider the new advanced stuff about that quality thing tied to pxp that does not increase with upgrades. Too much work, and it's not even fully discovered. And the results are still quite accurate anyway.

This post has been edited by End Of All Hope: Sep 10 2017, 01:07

Yeah, they're probably the same or so then.

Unfortunately it still does not consider the new advanced stuff about that quality thing tied to pxp that does not increase with upgrades. Too much work, and it's not even fully discovered. And the results are still quite accurate anyway.

well, that's my own solution. algorithm is quite simple and PXP0 matters till a certain extent (read: even wide variations of PXP0 don't matter too much, to the point you can safely pick the average value for a quality tier), but you HAVE to fetch it a starting value.

i don't exclude simpler versions are possible (actually the calculus spreadsheet is a bit of a mess on certain points), but as i said, it's still quite simple (4 equations to fill all those roll matrixes, plus a slightly modified one for the whole Base spreadsheet) and has a really good precision, considering all that we still ignore about the thing.

i'd also like to add some features to allow users run certain simulations (like picking datas from a certain level and rescaling to another one, comparing two different gears, working on base rolls etc etc), but i have a bunch of more urgent RL things to do before.

What helps is: Pen5 Spel4. And a Good LARD + full forged (count on 40-50m, I bet you can find one in the WTS). And start forging your cotton.

Then save money for charged gear.

With 4 charged gear and forging, I can do PFFEST without dying even once.

40M for a good full forged LARD (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) How much did you spend on forging cotton/phase stuff?

I think I'll just settle with maxing prof on staff and prof gear then stick to SG arenas (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Dæmon Duality II unlocked

40M for a good full forged LARD (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) How much did you spend on forging cotton/phase stuff?

I think I'll just settle with maxing prof on staff and prof gear then stick to SG arenas (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

50*4 phazon for the phases alone are 40M, not to say the initial cost of the gear, the catalysts, the hgc (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

absolutely anything about my work i keep watching shit on youtube (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

My spreadsheet says: Rapier 100, Armor 52, Leggings 45, Helmet 43, Gauntlets 39, Boots 30 (I'm 231 BoS far from that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) )
With my ADB ranges of course.

Yes, if you don't take in account RAs.
if we assume:
BoS: 110k
RA: 55k
HGM: 800C
10% discount from shop

it's 123800C vs 178800C

Armor ADB is cheaper than fully forging only if below 35-40 (depends on quality of the rapier and armor).
35 sounds like a good stopping point before fully forging the rapier.

Naaah, it's not even 5M worth of Actuators for 35 -> 50 on 5 armors, and as my spreadsheet says, not all armors get above 35/40 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
And > 50 Armors save you quite a bunch of catalysts, bindings and HGM since only ADB can be raised.


And, by the way, it's not like I am buying any BoS (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

This post has been edited by End Of All Hope: Sep 10 2017, 03:04

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Completed PFUDOR 100-round Arena

2,050 turns 0:15:15 (2.241 t/s)

Lag hit really hard

I know I posted how many turns it took me to clear arenas before, but when I went it seems like it was exclusively DWD runs that I posted for. The last I posted was 7,036 turns (2.76 t/s) for PFUDOR DWD from April 2016 when I was still Level 378. Pretty sure I've been sub-7000 in each of the runthroughs I've done this month but I'll make sure to actually save the number this time.

Completed PFUDOR 100-round Arena

2,050 turns 0:15:15 (2.241 t/s)

Lag hit really hard

I know I posted how many turns it took me to clear arenas before, but when I went it seems like it was exclusively DWD runs that I posted for. The last I posted was 7,036 turns (2.76 t/s) for PFUDOR DWD from April 2016 when I was still Level 378. Pretty sure I've been sub-7000 in each of the runthroughs I've done this month but I'll make sure to actually save the number this time.

I thought 2k turns for DWD. I gasped so hard.
Then I realized it's the 100-round arena. Are you using 1H?

I thought 2k turns for DWD. I gasped so hard.
Then I realized it's the 100-round arena. Are you using 1H?

1H yeah, with a Legendary Ethereal Rapier of the Nimble. Whenever I get a top-class Rapier of Slaughter I'll switch over to that and watch my turns plummet.