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Theoretically speaking, what would happen if the e-hentai hosting provider complied with a takedown notice? Would they delete everything right away or let Tenboro migrate the data?

Theoretically speaking, what would happen if the e-hentai hosting provider complied with a takedown notice? Would they delete everything right away or let Tenboro migrate the data?

They would do nothing at all, faget.

Theoretically speaking, what would happen if the e-hentai hosting provider complied with a takedown notice? Would they delete everything right away or let Tenboro migrate the data?

Tenboro proved to us more than once that he is a backup maniac. All the data of e-hentai is surelly stored in at least 6 places: the servers, the backup servers, the backup of the backup servers, his home, his grandma's home (can you think of a safer place to store porn?) and a sixth untold location.

Regardless one thing that does worry me is the rapid growth of this site and the constant resubmissions of reposted pictures, aka 'personal' galleries and people leaking the way of accessing 'you know what' everywhere.
The first can be discussed in another thread, but the second is more relevant to this one.
I agree with deadfreak, Japanese users are a threat, but instead of banning them all outright I propose limiting their access.
Blocking Japanese IPs from accessing the beautiful Norwegian fjords is a good start imo.

This post has been edited by zarion: Sep 9 2013, 19:57

Blocking Japanese IPs

Would kill over 20% of this site's traffic.

Traffic on the panda is not profitable traffic from what I understand.
It's a win-win proposal for the admin.

What fascinates me is the thought that an ip ban could even be effective for preventing the copyright holder from finding their work on the site. This is not some out of the way site that ten people hang out on. It's one of the largest and most famous doujin sites around.

If an author wants to check this site and gets say, Sad Panda because of ip(rather than lack of account), are they just stuck? How many authors looking to request takedowns of their material would be stopped by an ip ban? Probably none of them, as site access is a proxy/VPN away.

Regardless one thing that does worry me is the rapid growth of this site and the constant resubmissions of reposted pictures, aka 'personal' galleries and people leaking the way of accessing 'you know what' everywhere.
The first can be discussed in another thread, but the second is more relevant to this one.
I agree with deadfreak, Japanese users are a threat, but instead of banning them all outright I propose limiting their access.
Blocking Japanese IPs from accessing the beautiful Norwegian fjords is a good start imo.

I'd think that in this age where information is abundant, someone could just google 'how to access blocked site' or 'how to access E-hentai from Japan' and get into the site anyway.

In fact, not a few doujin artists (including myself) who don't cling to sell their works are user of the site, and they pretermit the copyright infringement of this site.
If you ban Japanese users like them, it makes enemies of them.

Also, blocking Japanese IPs means blocking uploading from Japan.

is not profitable traffic

This entire site is not profitable.

Dunno if the police can help with this.

Most of the cases, they don't.
They often simply recommend "DMCA deletion method".

I'm pretty sure DMCA is a US federal law, and as such it has no binding effect outside the US

If we ban japanese guys who will go to Comiket and steal fap materials and scan them for us? Would you? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I'm pretty sure DMCA is a US federal law, and as such it has no binding effect outside the US

You are correct.

Most of the cases, they don't.
They often simply recommend "DMCA deletion method".

I'm pretty sure DMCA is a US federal law, and as such it has no binding effect outside the US

It is, Google does remove some search results of doujinshi for 'copyright infringement' though, big deal. The only real way for someone to take down a doujinshi or drag E-hentai to court is if his work is actually licensed in the country E-hentai is based in. (even then, that country might not have a library of copyright laws like Murica)

Japanese law and police can't really hurt 'us' unless the servers are located there.




I could be wrong though since I don't know a lot about law.

Japanese law and police can't really hurt 'us' unless the servers are located there.

But, if a user upload from Japan, and the police request the log and get it from the server administrator, he will be arrested by Japanese law.

They have jurisdiction over:

• Uploading from Japan
• Downloading to Japan
• Servers in Japan

...means including H@H clients in Japan.


This post has been edited by Thira: Sep 9 2013, 23:01

But, if a user upload from Japan, and the police request the log and get it from the server administrator, he will be arrested by Japanese law.

They have jurisdiction over:

• Uploading from Japan
• Downloading to Japan
• Servers in Japan

...means including H@H clients in Japan.

That means they'd have to get TenB to actually give the logs though. Even so, will they really make work out of 1 person uploading or downloading these works? Even the ridiculously large movie companies in the west don't go after that 1 person uploading a couple of movies(OK, they have done it a couple of times). Instead they fixate their eyes on sites like TPB, which are still standing to this day.

I don't think they're going to make a huge fuss out of a small-time arist who probably can't even pay for a lawyer, because someone has to report the copyright infringement and actually file a claim.

Even so, will they really make work out of 1 person uploading or downloading these works?

I rarely think so.
But don't forget there are many commercial works on this site also.

Reason why they don't claim is:

• Judicial costs
• On the other hand, it will make good publicity for them

If the Japanese-Netherlands diplomatic relations are very good, possibility of their crushing e-hentai will be increased (...still it's not "very good" though).

Well, anyway, users in Japan will be easily arrested if the police will (...maybe they won't though).

Er, too off topic.
I'll quit.


This post has been edited by Thira: Sep 9 2013, 23:56

"There is no such thing as bad publicity"

[...]
What if it is legal what they are doing? According to U.S. law, although the parodies are classified as "fair use", these can be pursued by the copyright owners. In Japan it's the same. Remember the case of xxzero and his infamous Pokemon doujinshi? This is the same case.

I do not know if the recent action ​​the circle ARCHIVES made is legal because, although they made ​​a parody of the series Marimite, they cannot claim any right, unless it is an original work. The question is : will there be more actions like this? The answer: YES.

This is what I'm worried and, although many will say/are saying "you're a retard" or "you suck", is affecting all scanlations in general. As many have described here , it is unbelievable that an artist whose fame has been generating from this website, gives back to his/her international fandom commiting actions of dubious legality such as sending C&D letters of parodies of copyrighted work, instead of doing the exact opposite: to ask scanlations to translate their work, in order to earn more money. Money moves to industry.

That's not all: although I said in some parts that piracy of Japanese works comes from Japan itself, many of the doujinshi that are displayed in this site are replicated on Japanese websites. This has led to some accusations against foreigners saying "foreigners are pirates". Remember the infamous case of Linda Project. And that's not all. There have been cases of foreigners who have been in Comiket and have been rejected by many doujin circles. Yes, there are doujin circles who refused to sell to foreigners for the simple fact that they are pirates and they will upload their work on the Internet.

[...]

The first thing that came to my mind:
(IMG:[i993.photobucket.com] http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af54/Tsukimaru/ProjSig%20V/crazy-laughter.gif)

I'm gonna ask all the people who threw shit against me: what would you feel if you had a doujin artist you like, and then you go to Comiket in order to buy his work and the artist himself rejects you for being a "foreigner, pirate and thief"? Stop and think about that.

Maybe, but sadly, that's the image ourselves gave them, and your way of think just put more fire in the house.

What if it is legal what they are doing? According to U.S. law, although the parodies are classified as "fair use", these can be pursued by the copyright owners. In Japan it's the same. Remember the case of xxzero and his infamous Pokemon doujinshi? This is the same case.

(Thanks god) We're not in the US. If the REAL owners of rights (manga authors and alike) don't complain, is because they earn enough money of their stuff, and then a circle starts: Doujins help them to widespread their works (Hey, ••••• made a Doujin of something called •••••••, and it's really hot; maybe I should check it) However, Doujin artists just get money from their Doujins, they put some effort on them and then, if they want to claim for the "theft" of their works they have some right to do it.

Ban people of certain country will not change anything, just will make it worse, if you throw a rock, be ready to receive one in exchange and to throw another one and so till you or them die.

And finally there's a definition of that: Discrimination. First, ban all japanese just because some are complaining, once is done, let's ban some of other country, just cause they're stealing the english translated version and they're not giving credits for it, and finally, let's ban all those who haven't posted at least 10,000 times, cause surely they don't value the galleries so much......

In short, is like hear someone who rips porn parody movies complaining because the studio wants to stop to rip their movies....