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I have yet to have even 1 drop for me. I also don't need them since crystals are a cheaper option. Everyone with monsters under PL 400 clambering for these are idiots.
Everything taken away from players was done universally so lowbies are no worse off. Rich players will always have an advantage so this patch even added bigger sinks to soak up their money.

Yeah...

I guess we all low level, even lower income players are idiots for not considering spending literally millions of now unattainable credits on crystals just to make our monster(s) not care about morale and in the process making them starve a lot easier since their food tier will be a lot higher too... Yeah... REAL IDIOTS...

Of course... As I said... Rich players like yourself don't care simply because it meant a tiny hit to your assets, otherwise you'd be complaining like the rest of us.

Why aren't you more understanding ofother player's situations and stop using your own status as basis for your posts?

Yeah...

I guess we all low level, even lower income players are idiots for not considering spending literally millions of now unattainable credits on crystals just to make our monster(s) not care about morale and in the process making them starve a lot easier since their food tier will be a lot higher too... Yeah... REAL IDIOTS...

Of course... As I said... Rich players like yourself don't care simply because it meant a tiny hit to your assets, otherwise you'd be complaining like the rest of us.

Why aren't you more understanding ofother player's situations and stop using your own status as basis for your posts?

DAT FLAMEBAIT.....

Also I just got utterly destroyed on my hourly random. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

I'm enjoying this new patch, for now. I'm not too sure about how it will turn out for monsters, but we should wait 15 days to judge. I personally should be okay for some time as I have few monsters, with a low PL.

even lower income players are idiots

Spending beyond their means? Yes, that does make them idiots. Monsters now have maintenance so those that wanted a whole army now know what it means to feed a whole army.

Also letting your monsters run out of morale isn't the apocalypse despite all the rhetoric saying otherwise. I guess they're really relying on those low-grade materials. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

just to make our monster(s) not care about morale

This has not been implemented.

Rich players like yourself

Oh how I wish. I merely saved up pre-patch since Tenboro said there would be more trainings available. I'm right back to being poor again.

Why aren't you more understanding ofother player's

I don't empathize with casuals who played for "free" stuff. Adapt or die.

In all honesty, Joe is probably far richer than we are, just poor by the statistic of credits-on-hand.

Spending beyond their means? Yes, that does make them idiots. Monsters now have maintenance so those that wanted a whole army now know what it means to feed a whole army.

Also letting your monsters run out of morale isn't the apocalypse despite all the rhetoric saying otherwise. I guess they're really relying on those low-grade materials. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
This has not been implemented.
Oh how I wish. I merely saved up pre-patch since Tenboro said there would be more trainings available. I'm right back to being poor again.
I don't empathize with casuals who played for "free" stuff. Adapt or die.

And just how exactly do you propose that those low level players earn those credits/crystals/consumables when difficulty arose, credits and bounty rate dropped, costs increased and already unlocked traits, abilities, spells and stats were lowered? Also, low or non existant morale monsters don't bring materials to upgrade gear, so, again, low level players are stripped out of resources which in turn make HV a hassle instead of a fun past-time. How can low level players get materials then? Paying for them? How? Fighting arenas for credits that they cannot win or even enter? Pay the ludicrous ítem-shop-bot's costs? With what? Train to become stronger so they can survive? How exactly since they can't survive fights in the first place? Yeah... Real smart...

Additionaly, your statements bear no logic...

First you rant about how low level, scarce credits players are idiots for not being investing to have PL 400 monsters... Then you write about them being idiots for spending beyond their means... Either decide on one or stop writing rubbish.

HV is a browser game and it was meant to be casual or we "casuals" would have had our accounts deleted a long time ago simply because of account maintenance/management real-life costs. Just because you or some others spend their entire lives on it doesn't mean we "casuals" aren't worth of respect any less than "paying" or "dedicated" players.

This post has been edited by doomgaze: May 23 2013, 00:06

I don't empathize with casuals who played for "free" stuff. Adapt or die.

You do realize that this is a game that many people play just to earn enough credits to "buy" the galleries they want to download? Be them doujinshis, manga, CG or whatnot.
I sure am playing this casual. I managed after YEARS of casual playing to get to a stage where i could farm some hours once in a while and keep me high enough on credits to get the galleries i wanted and maybe even train something without having too many troubles and i enjoyed the system.
I guess that are many players like me that have brought income to maintain the servers through the ads that they have seen everytime they opened the site to check for anything new. I know, i could be more generous and be donating or adopting a server but i don't have much so i couldn't or wouldn't do so and i have enjoyed anyway the advantages provided by this wonderful site.
Now, since i spent many, many hours of my life to play a browser game i was sincerely disappointed when the patch hit because it forces me to work twice as hard to get half or less of what i got before the patch.
Since i have been for a long time a silent lurker of the game and site but not the forum i thought of coming out and share my troubles with others, if not to get what i lost back to at least vent my irritation at the situation since this thread was made for such disappointed people.
Then you come along and mock everyone here who felt ignored and expect what? That we bow to your wisdom?
I may not be a saint but i sure earned the right to speak my mind so go harass someone else.
There are plenty other threads where you can express your delight at the recent patch, this is not one of them.

This post has been edited by laarix: May 23 2013, 00:22

how exactly do you propose that those low level players earn those credits/crystals/consumables

The same way as before, how else?

Also, low or non existant morale monsters don't bring materials to upgrade gear

What noob was upgrading their crappy gear!? This is a serious question; it was (and still is) a HUUUUGE waste to invest in any sub-par equipment pieces.

How can low level players get materials then?

Do you... do you honestly believe that low PL monsters actually brought in tons of mats? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Fighting arenas for credits that they cannot win

If something is too hard turn the difficulty down until you can handle it. This isn't rocket science.

First you rant about how low level, scarce credits players are idiots for not being investing to have PL 400 monsters

Mind telling me where I said that? Oh wait I didn't. The only thing I said that anyone whining over happy pills without monsters that high are idiots. And they are.

it was meant to be casual

Sorry, were you the original inventor of the game? No? Why then... how could you possibly know that!? Hmmm..... maybe you're mistaking your desire with that of the programmer? Nnnnaaaaaaah! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

our accounts deleted

You cannot delete you account.

account maintenance/management real-life costs

Real life costs? You had to choose between paying your heating bill or HV at some point?

we "casuals" aren't worth of respect

Casuals are one group, whiny babies are another.

You do realize that this is a game that many people play just to earn enough credits to "buy" the galleries they want to download?

Very much so.

That we bow to your wisdom?

Somewhat, yes. I expect you to adapt instead of begging for handouts and nerfs.

I may not be a saint but i sure earned the right to speak my mind so go harass someone else.

If you genuinely felt that I was harassing anyone then you are free to report it to the forum moderators.

this is not one of them.

Why not?

Why not?

You may have noticed that there are many patch related threads and this one is called " If the new patch totally sucks for you..., Rants and complaints about the awful new HV welcomed".
I'm not saying that you can's say whatever you want wherever you want. Please, stay.
But DON'T mock other players because they express their frustration at this patch, it's their right to do so.

This post has been edited by laarix: May 23 2013, 00:43

But DON'T mock other players because they express their frustration at this patch.

I don't believe I have mocked anyone and I apologize if I have. It just seems like most of these complaints are embroiled in ignorance of the game's mechanics or are just straight up demands for making things easier for the sake of being easy (which is rather insulting to other players).

First time I saw Joe so vocal. Me like.

Or maybe I just haven't been active long enough.

I don't believe I have mocked anyone and I apologize if I have. It just seems like most of these complaints are embroiled in ignorance of the game's mechanics or are just straight up demands for making things easier for the sake of being easy (which is rather insulting to other players).

To quote you:
Why not?

I'm a lazy person and i tend to play quite a lot of games for their plot and not for their difficulty setting.
I often chose the easiest way to get what i need and this game was really good to me. Didn't really ever need to deeply understand the gameplay mechanics to make a living.
Heck when i started i was 1h and shield melee. Then lvling i noticed that handling a lot of monsters was hard for me, so i switched to 1h, shield and spells.
Then lately i switched to staves because i noticed that the advantages were many and big.
Now i have to relearn much of whatever little i knew about the game and only to perform a lot worse then before.
Also, there was already a difficulty setting up, couldn't they improve it so that veterans like you could enjoy a hard game without forcing everyone to the same standards? I'm not asking that they rollback only to satisfy my needs, i'm asking they rollback and then reintroduce some of the features one at a time maybe with settings to turn them on or off so that everyone's happy.
And frankly, some of this last patch features are simply bad. The cooldowns are really what i hate most in many games. I played with them for many years in MMORPGs and i have tolerated their presence because there was an actual need in those big multiplayer environments for balance.
In some singleplayer ones i tolerated them because the plot was so good that i didn't really care for the battle system (Dragon Age, Mass Effect).
I saw them being implemented in the 4th edition of D&D and damn how awful is that thing. Much MUCH better Pathfinder by Paizo.
I can't see why HV that is basically a singleplayer PVE game would need them.

I don't believe I have mocked anyone and I apologize if I have. It just seems like most of these complaints are embroiled in ignorance of the game's mechanics or are just straight up demands for making things easier for the sake of being easy (which is rather insulting to other players).

Haven't mocked other players? Of course not... You have INSULTED THEM which is entirely different.

Let us list instancies then of insulting words YOU have used:

Idiots
Whiny babies
Noob
This isn't rocket science

Also, if we are talking about knowledge, then YOU can not write about this matter since YOU weren't here from the start. Did you raise enough credits to buy gear or training writing reviews for the galleries years ago? But of course you didn't... Were you here when we were first nerfed and deprived of our hard earned ability points when the first ability tree had a skill that randomly rewarded you with an additional ability point at each level up and that ability got erased but the ability points earned were not carried over? Certainly NOT.

Additionally you, either purposedly or due to complete illiteracy, have twisted and misinterpreted some statements clear enough to anyone else.

Example:
"QUOTE

account maintenance/management real-life costs

Real life costs? You had to choose between paying your heating bill or HV at some point?"

Which of course is an incomplete statement and should have been:
"QUOTE

"HV is a browser game and it was meant to be casual or we "casuals" would have had our accounts deleted a long time ago simply because of account maintenance/management real-life costs."

Real life costs? You had to choose between paying your heating bill or HV at some point?"

And should WE bow to your wisdom? You who can't even understand the meaning of that sentence which alludes to physical server costs?

Sorry to inform you, but we are the SENIOR players here. Just because you can spend all day on HV and are higher level or post a lot of like this, you think you are qualified to pass judgment or to criticize people?

Additionally... Excuse me, but a new player is by definition a newbie and as such his/her gear options are limited and in order to do better and earn more credits OF COURSE that he/she will upgrade their gear to that end, if able, no matter how bad, just to survive long enough to improve. Lowering difficulty means even less drops and lower quality on all kinds, less arenas to fight on, etc. Yeah... Really helpful wisdom there.

If you can't discern those logical and most certainly happening scenarios which apply to newbies and low level players, then by all means stop posting here, since WE do not need your kind of lacking Wisdom.

YOU weren't here from the start.

So what? Are you going to impart on us the wonders that was Montage or how FSM took several hundred turns and could basically only be beaten by perma-stunning it? How about using Penetrated Armor before you used your spirit attack because otherwise it did crap damage? 500 round arena challenges? The funny thing about knowledge of the past: it can be transmitted to others. I know more about how HV was in the past than you, so don't even try. Even more ironic is that HV was WAAAAAAAAAAAY less newbie friendly than it is now.

writing reviews for the galleries years ago?

Oh? I would love to see some of these reviews you've written.

You who can't even understand the meaning of that sentence which alludes to physical server costs?

Yea, you totally implied that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

we are the SENIOR players here.

And who exactly is this "we" for whom you speak? Clearly seniority means fuck all in your case since you have nothing to show for it.

Just because you can spend all day on HV and are higher level or post a lot of like this, you think you are qualified to pass judgment or to criticize people?

Uhh, yes. People should listen to someone who knows the game like the back of their hand on how to adjust to the changes, not someone who rants and can't even get basic gameplay details right. I've helped more lowbies get off to a good start than you have levels.

OF COURSE that he/she will upgrade their gear to that end

And here's how I know you're full of shit when you claim to speak for newbies. The system gives horrendously poor rewards for forging at early levels because they are all percentage-based. Getting better gear is cheaper and more effective (hell, there are regular giveaways for lowbies in the WTS subforum). Hell, we've told players these things in the Ask The Experts thread and on the wiki's advice page for years now.

Lowering difficulty means even less drops and lower quality on all kinds

And yet high-level players prefer to use them for grinding drops... strange huh?

less arenas to fight on

False as of this patch (and even before this patch Normal was the minimum needed), try again.

And just how exactly do you propose that those low level players earn those credits

By contributing to the site, which is what credits are intended to be a reward for. Galleries, torrents, and H@H don't even require an extra monetary outlay.

You do realize that this is a game that many people play just to earn enough credits to "buy" the galleries they want to download?

The stated purpose of HV is to be a credit sink not a credit generator, so that was a bug rather than a feature.

Also, if we are talking about knowledge, then YOU can not write about this matter since YOU weren't here from the start. Did you raise enough credits to buy gear or training writing reviews for the galleries years ago? But of course you didn't... Were you here when we were first nerfed and deprived of our hard earned ability points when the first ability tree had a skill that randomly rewarded you with an additional ability point at each level up and that ability got erased but the ability points earned were not carried over? Certainly NOT.

I miss the 40% credit boost from the original Legacy tree. It was pretty great for converting GP.

Speaking of back then, Mage was unplayable and Melee was great right when HV started, so I guess it's come full circle in 4 years.

Joe: Stop trolling/being an asshole. It is ugly. And it is made even more obvious by saying things like "call the forum mods on the post". Let the ranters rant, as this thread seems to have been created for that purpose.

The lowbies were hit harder by the patch and saying "adapt/prepare" is lame thing to do:

°You and I could prepare. They couldn't do that not only because of time of joining and less information available to/comprehend/internalize, but because of less resources. The fact that one cannot use both mage and melee before mid-high level was accepted knowledge in 0.75. Preparation is another thing. Pre-patch, I had been spending nearly all resources on dark mage set - day after patch, I had abandoned it and was full mag/leg light melee with estoc. This sort of thing just isn't possible for lowbies even if one accounts for weaker gear. Nor training 30 levels of ability points.

°If one goes in the vein of complains about training, their costs did change/sort of waste earlier investment/etc. But mid-high-level players could invest in them right after the patch.

°High-level players and low level ones use almost all the same abilities - only exceptions are higher level element spells. But Mastery slots kind of put stops to that. And since low levels can't up the range or CDs back up, nor duration with deprecating, they're hit harder by those changes. The benefits from abilities aren't linear.

°Investing in monsters within means is quite junk thing to say given that most players don't have investing monsters by buying crystals within their means - only dropped ones. Because gear upgrades is just that more efficient. This means that they won't get upgrades and need happy pills.

→Yes, there is only choice of adaption or stopping. You don't need to be so rude about it. Especially in response to posts saying "stopping". You could maybe TRY to figure out if there's a vital problem such as no abilities slotted in a set or trying to play mage at low levels. But even with that, they cannot improve it much by abilities now so they'd probably still quit.

→I shouldn't need to say this.

@Panaru: tenboro has stated in the past that Hentaiverse is a minigame, which is where I'd guess such concepts would come from.

Wow joe, way to be an elitist prick over a stupid casual side game on a porn site. Yes joe, it is casual. You see if it was meant only for hardcore gamers it wouldn't be the second banana around here. In fact, it could go away completely and it wouldn't really affect the purpose of the site and that is the hentai. The site was fine before the game was first added as a series of hourly battles long before the hentaiverse came to be.

Frankly the cool downs make fights very difficult. The system is overly complicated which is bad for a second banana on a porn site game. People spent millions of making monsters and now they won't be able to maintain them making those millions wasted. The removed auras were replaced with crappy things that users were forced to accept.

Those are all legitimate complaints people are making, don't belittle them with your elitist attitude. I'm surprised you haven't broken out your cute little images that you usually use to insult people.

What tenboro has done is something no player would ever take from a game company, he took the game and completely changed the core of it. It is a completely different game masquerading as hentaiverse.

The update list is so long.
But I don't think I like:
- Cooldown for spell (Especially cure, etc).
- Hunger+moral bar.
- Removal of several type of item.

I think my main complaint would be the credit bonus removal from great stamina. My credit intake from daily arenas is a third of what it use to be. I don't really care but it's just going to take forever to get any of these new trainings. And also this hurts:

"special droprate bonus for high-PL monsters was dropped and capped."

As a level 350 player who plays on IWBTH all the time it has really hurt my drop rate. Guess I better max out scavenger.

Meh, patch wasn't that bad otherwise.