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He is a annoying fuckface.

Because there's a limited number of pictures. Four ponies in a finite number of poses. Pretty damned easy to construct a rainbow table of them all. Hell, with all the damned mainlanders playing the game, they probably cracked the PONIES database in a matter of days.

.. you don't even have an idea what a rainbow table is, much less the computational challenge in reversing those images.

It's not cracked. It's not even scratched. I'd know.

.. you don't even have an idea what a rainbow table is

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Too bad I can't change it's name to match whatever the flavor of the month is, i.e. Ouzai, needxxx, 501st, Fear/Do Not Fear, etc.

How about something like I fear 10b, I fear HTTP (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

lets make a deal... if any of you make a single whinning about the new patch... i won... if you dont make any then i lost... simple, right?

P.S. In the case of Ichy... thats a lot coming from you... "a annoying"... wasnt that one "AN ANNOYING"... Lord of rightfull ways?

People will always find something to complain about. If Tenboro doubled credit drops, made legendaries more accessable, and added a bunch of new arenas/challenges, someone would complain about their current credits/legendaries being devalued and Tenboro forcing them to play even more.

The idea if that there is a single complaint then something is bad is intellectually shallow or pretty much just retarded.

This post has been edited by traficantj: Jul 17 2013, 19:57

So I don't have any tier2 spells despite being level 94 and having a base elemental proficiency far exceeding the requirement. Why hasnt is been "automatically added". I had T3 BEfORE the update. now t1??

Because there's a limited number of pictures. Four ponies in a finite number of poses. Pretty damned easy to construct a rainbow table of them all. Hell, with all the damned mainlanders playing the game, they probably cracked the PONIES database in a matter of days.

I'm sorry, but I get the feeling you're ad-libbing here. It's not a matter of how many base pictures you start with (just a guess: 4-5 poses for each character, but I never even checked), it's a matter of how many different images you can generate when you throw all those ellipses, base image rotations and so on. Potentially you can generate endless diferent images. It's simple enough for a person to abstract from each and every generated image the idea of the base character and recognize it right away, but it's absurdly difficult to do so for a program.

Bug ALERT:

I have no Tier 2 spells at level 94:

Then there's a problem:

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This post has been edited by cwx: Jul 18 2013, 01:56

How about we all just play nice with each other and put piyin on ignore?

How about we all just play nice with each other and put piyin on ignore?

I rather tb gets mad and splits piyins equipments and jewgold with me

Bug ALERT:

I have no Tier 2 spells at level 94:

Do you have 50 proficiency?

People will always find something to complain about. If Tenboro doubled credit drops, made legendaries more accessable, and added a bunch of new arenas/challenges, someone would complain about their current credits/legendaries being devalued and Tenboro forcing them to play even more.

The idea if that there is a single complaint then something is bad is intellectually shallow or pretty much just retarded.

they say everything will be wonderfull... so if i tel them "yeah gonna be a hell when it strike" and they say "Loser"... so im wrong?

How about we all just play nice with each other and put piyin on ignore?

yeah... less ppl to chat/fight/whine on the forums... what forum creepers like us need... 4chan must be pleased...

I rather tb gets mad and splits piyins equipments and jewgold with me

yes... i know that is going to happen at some point... im pretty annoying... and yet new ones will be born and take my place.. and they will be as me or worse... and thats the cicle of life... i think.

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YES!!! YES!!! Im so annoying that ChosenUno ignored me... i love you too man.

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I did that so long ago. You are just a copy hipster. Im the original.

I did that so long ago. You are just a copy hipster. Im the original.

mhhh... how does a post can make a sound?... always thinked everything here was silently... yet mortal.

.. you don't even have an idea what a rainbow table is, much less the computational challenge in reversing those images.

My God, are we doing this again?

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do know what a rainbow table is. When it comes to retrieving a password from a known unsalted password hash (when the password has a known maximum length limit), at least. And sure, ranbow tables become infeasibly large when you have a significantly long password/pass phrase. And yes, I'm using the term colloquially.

It seems to me that your skin has been eroded nanometre-thin over the past few weeks. Wanna try something different from being so condescending?

It's not cracked. It's not even scratched. I'd know.

Sure you would. Because the creator of anything is always infallible and knows everything when it comes to that particular thing he created. But sure, I'll grant you that. Congraulations on building a CAPTCHA solution that works 100%. You should consider marketing it and earn the big bucks.

I'm sorry, but I get the feeling you're ad-libbing here. It's not a matter of how many base pictures you start with (just a guess: 4-5 poses for each character, but I never even checked), it's a matter of how many different images you can generate when you throw all those ellipses, base image rotations and so on. Potentially you can generate endless diferent images. It's simple enough for a person to abstract from each and every generated image the idea of the base character and recognize it right away, but it's absurdly difficult to do so for a program.

No, you can't. There are practical limits to how many rotations you can perform (360 at a guess) for each base image. There are practical limits to how many ellipses you can draw (and how many overlaps there can be) before a human can't solve them. At the very extreme end, there is a graphic limit size and you can basically extrapolate how many images can be generated with these constraints and build a rainbow table holding these images. It's nowhere near BIG.

Let's take an image that's 1024*768 in size, that's 786,432 pixels. Assume each pixel has 256 different shades it could be (monochrome image, after all). That's a total of 201,326,592 images. It's bloody trivial for a computer that has a rainbow table to look them up. And consider the sheer number of RMs that must have been generated over the past, oh, say, month.

Let me put it this way. Most CAPTCHAs are easily, even trivially broken. They were teh shitz back in 2006, but we've got ridiculously overpowered CPUs and GPUs in systems and botnets and CAPTCHA farms and whatnot. They're even looking at motion and 4D CAPTCHAs now, that's the level of research in the field.

If Tenboro's little system has a 0% false negative rate (i.e. whatever it says is NOT a computer is always NOT a computer), he would be the richest programmer in Broadmeadows (or wherever he's located).

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do know what a rainbow table is. When it comes to retrieving a password from a known unsalted password hash (when the password has a known maximum length limit), at least. And sure, ranbow tables become infeasibly large when you have a significantly long password/pass phrase. And yes, I'm using the term colloquially.

You're not using the term "colloquially", you're using it "wrong".

A rainbow table is a precomputed table of cryptographic hash function results for reverse lookup purposes. Even if you generalize it to saying that it's a table of results of any function, at any point in time, PONIES™ can generate 12884901882 possible images. Since the generator isn't public, it is not possible to build a precomputed table of results. Every time you get a riddle it will give you one and exactly one possible image, so if you were to try doing it that way, you're in for a ride. Not to mention, it would be invalidated the second I change *anything*.

It seems to me that your skin has been eroded nanometre-thin over the past few weeks. Wanna try something different from being so condescending?

Want to try something different from spewing misinformation about things you know nothing about?

Sure you would. Because the creator of anything is always infallible and knows everything when it comes to that particular thing he created. But sure, I'll grant you that. Congraulations on building a CAPTCHA solution that works 100%. You should consider marketing it and earn the big bucks.

The simple lack of 24/7 capable bots is proof enough that it hasn't been broken. If someone did, they sure are keeping it tight to their chest.

And PONIES™ is not usable as a CAPTCHA. A wild guess has a 25% chance of being correct. It is useless to counter spambots and similar. What it is, is a working system to make bots significantly less effective at playing the game, while being much less intrusive and having a much, much lower error rate than the average CAPTCHA for human visitors.

pointless theorizing

Which you cannot do, because like I said, there is no way to precompute a table.

Edit: Oh, incidentally..

Let's take an image that's 1024*768 in size, that's 786,432 pixels. Assume each pixel has 256 different shades it could be (monochrome image, after all). That's a total of 201,326,592 images.

You fail at math.

Yes, there are 786432 pixels in a 1024*768 image. But assuming 256 colors, the number of possible variants isn't 786432 * 256, it's 256^786432.

Good luck even finding a calculator that can work with numbers of that size. But let's say we have a 16x16 image with 16 colors. That has 16^256 = 1.8 * 10^308 combinations. Let me write that out for you with 309 significant digits.

179,769,313,486,231,590,772,930,519,078,902,473,361,797,697,894,230,657,273,430,081,157,732,675,805,500,963,132,708,477,322,407,536,021,120,113,879,
871,393,357,658,789,768,814,416,622,492,847,430,639,474,124,377,767,893,424,865,485,276,302,219,601,246,094,119,453,082,952,085,005,768,838,150,682,
342,462,881,473,913,110,540,827,237,163,350,510,684,586,298,239,947,245,938,479,716,304,835,356,329,624,224,137,216

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when we will have multiple attachment for moogle mail (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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i hope we have mastery point reset too even the reset cost is expensive ( maybe 50k per reset ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Jul 18 2013, 12:19