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post Jun 8 2013, 02:04
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Soon[TM] as in Evelynn rework Soon[TM]

It took about a year for those who don't remember that little fiasco.

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post Jun 8 2013, 02:04
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QUOTE(traficantj @ Jun 8 2013, 01:04) *

She'll continue to not be the highest level monster until you level her so that she is. Going inactive won't change that underlying fact.

Please, don't speak out of ignorance.
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post Jun 8 2013, 02:33
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QUOTE(Ebisan @ Jun 7 2013, 18:04) *

Until she maxes her PL? There's a chance she'll never be allowed to retire.
Imagine a "2000+ PL monsters will ALWAYS appear in combat, regardless their morale level" rule.
Just giving the idea... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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-- While not active for this patch, in the not too distant future, monsters with an empty hunger bar will not show up in battles. Monsters above a still to be determined powerlevel will be exempt from this.
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post Jun 8 2013, 02:45
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There's still no official source on when you learn skills. Better Imperil has opened up to me in the abilities tree, but I don't actually HAVE Imperil. Wat?
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post Jun 8 2013, 02:49
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Oh, true. The exception or special power should be then like:
"2000+ PL monsters will ALWAYS show up in battles, regardless their hunger bar level" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

By the way, my spikes give now a wider range of damage to enemies, not just 5 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jun 8 2013, 02:57
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QUOTE(Ebisan @ Jun 7 2013, 20:49) *


By the way, my spikes give now a wider range of damage to enemies, not just 5 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Not by much... I think the most my spikes have ever done has been.........

17...
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post Jun 8 2013, 03:19
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QUOTE(cavecricket48 @ Jun 7 2013, 20:45) *

There's still no official source on when you learn skills. Better Imperil has opened up to me in the abilities tree, but I don't actually HAVE Imperil. Wat?

I don't know what Level it comes at, but it just showed up yesterday in my Spell list after achieving 30 deprecating proficiency. Blind did, too. Now, just to figure out when Silence comes back.
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post Jun 8 2013, 04:32
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QUOTE(cavecricket48 @ Jun 7 2013, 17:45) *

There's still no official source on when you learn skills. Better Imperil has opened up to me in the abilities tree, but I don't actually HAVE Imperil. Wat?


As near as I can tell, there is a threshold of level + proficiency you have to pass to get the ability, and it takes 5 levels before you can gain the next ability/skill.

I can confirm that skills and spells have the same waiting list. Rending Blow kept me from getting Downburst until now.
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post Jun 8 2013, 05:51
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QUOTE(J99814 @ Jun 7 2013, 18:32) *

As near as I can tell, there is a threshold of level + proficiency

This is not the case for a few of them, but we'll know next patch which have both and which require only 1 minimum.

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I can confirm that skills and spells have the same waiting list.

Uhhhhh, what? 2 completely different profs for those.
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post Jun 8 2013, 05:55
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QUOTE(J99814 @ Jun 7 2013, 22:32) *

As near as I can tell, there is a threshold of level + proficiency you have to pass to get the ability, and it takes 5 levels before you can gain the next ability/skill.

I can confirm that skills and spells have the same waiting list. Rending Blow kept me from getting Downburst until now.

I would be nice if safaripony would please document in this thread what combination of numbers we need to get for each ability/skill. Currently the only source of documentation, the wiki, is filled with bogus numbers and question marks. Maybe Trashcan Cat can inquire on IRC for us?
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post Jun 8 2013, 06:10
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QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Jun 7 2013, 20:51) *

This is not the case for a few of them, but we'll know next patch which have both and which require only 1 minimum.
Uhhhhh, what? 2 completely different profs for those.


What I meant was that when I got Rending Blow (at lvl 120 and 51 2-hand proficiency, most likely based solely on the latter), I didn't get Downburst for 5 levels (at lvl 125 and 78 elemental proficiency). That said, as I started getting tier 2 elementals before that - but I wasn't paying very good attention when I went to lvl 95. All I can confirm is that I got Inferno by lvl 98 and proficiency 63, and that my picks since then have either been T2 elementals or SoL, whose proficiency I forgot to note.

We can confirm the type of relation the two numbers have with five sets of data, as long as they are accurate. I think I started getting Inferno at lvl 95, but since I was grinding elemental at the time, I can't say for certain.

QUOTE(dragon695 @ Jun 7 2013, 20:55) *

I would be nice if safaripony would please document in this thread what combination of numbers we need to get for each ability/skill. Currently the only source of documentation, the wiki, is filled with bogus numbers and question marks. Maybe Trashcan Cat can inquire on IRC for us?


I thought we were supposed to harvest the numbers ourselves. That's why I've been posting mine.

I'm currently assuming that everything bought with an ability point pre-patch requires proficiency and level, and everything that required proficiency pre-patch requires solely proficiency.
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post Jun 8 2013, 06:23
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@monster appearance: Actually, what's up with this? I definitely shouldn't be able to meet PL2250 monster or 501st, even on iwbth.
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post Jun 8 2013, 06:30
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QUOTE(Lement @ Jun 8 2013, 00:23) *

@monster appearance: Actually, what's up with this? I definitely shouldn't be able to meet PL2250 monster or 501st, even on iwbth.


...Haven't I been talking about Minimum Joe showing up on my mob list for a while now?...

Wait, I've been seeing 501sts pop up as well...

Joe, you sure that Minimum Joe is way up there that there SHOULD be no way that a lowly level 152 scrub like me would be able to chill with him?
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post Jun 8 2013, 06:34
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QUOTE(J99814 @ Jun 8 2013, 00:10) *

I thought we were supposed to harvest the numbers ourselves. That's why I've been posting mine.

Perhaps for things like material gifts, but fucking basic shit like spells? What kind of game doesn't tell you when you get spells? You don't have to spoonfeed me, but FFS just document what I need to do instead of making us depend on anectdotal guesswork.
QUOTE(Lement @ Jun 8 2013, 00:23) *

@monster appearance: Actually, what's up with this? I definitely shouldn't be able to meet PL2250 monster or 501st, even on iwbth.

She shows up all the time for me and at Nightmare. What I hate about it most is fucking HTTP's 2000+ PL bullshit giants with insane parry/evade/endurance. They show up ALL THE TIME on Nightmare/Hell and with this "birds of a feather" nonsense, I can always count on some other hathdragon/crystal-shitter's giant to join them.

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post Jun 8 2013, 06:40
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QUOTE(dragon695 @ Jun 8 2013, 00:34) *

Perhaps for things like material gifts, but fucking basic shit like spells? What kind of game doesn't tell you when you get spells?


This one.



On a side note, I'm pretty sure Handsome Phil has a monster named Fire Fist Ace. I met it just now, and I'm also pretty sure it has a power level way up there. Da fuq?
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post Jun 8 2013, 06:54
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QUOTE(J99814 @ Jun 7 2013, 20:10) *

I thought we were supposed to harvest the numbers ourselves. That's why I've been posting mine.

No need unless you wanna really try. We'll know everything (hopefully) in 0.77.

QUOTE(Lement @ Jun 7 2013, 20:23) *

@monster appearance: Actually, what's up with this? I definitely shouldn't be able to meet PL2250 monster or 501st, even on iwbth.

QUOTE(cavecricket48 @ Jun 7 2013, 20:30) *

...Haven't I been talking about Minimum Joe showing up on my mob list for a while now?...

Wait, I've been seeing 501sts pop up as well...

Joe, you sure that Minimum Joe is way up there that there SHOULD be no way that a lowly level 152 scrub like me would be able to chill with him?

The PL encounter formula seems to have changed but I need more data.
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post Jun 8 2013, 09:00
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Is there any point to Grindfest now? Crystal drops are low even on IWBTH and Equipment very rarely drop (maybe 1 in the first 50 rounds). Plus, no credits.
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post Jun 8 2013, 09:33
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QUOTE(DYasha @ Jun 8 2013, 09:00) *

Is there any point to Grindfest now? Crystal drops are low even on IWBTH and Equipment very rarely drop (maybe 1 in the first 50 rounds). Plus, no credits.

nope just do your dailies and then wait for Dawn.
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post Jun 8 2013, 10:08
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"Snowflake and the moogles are donning flame-retardant gear. Check back later."

... Argh.
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Snowflake and the moogles are donning flame-retardant gear. Check back later.

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