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I never thought MJoe was a dupe account of Tenboro. Extremely supportive of his efforts, yes, but never a dupe account...just too strange to consider.

Nope, when I read MJoe's posts, I get this picture in my mind...which I cannot find on the internet, and is beyond my ability to create, but I wish I could have as I would have offered it up as an avatar...Tenboro in the background with a big white bulldog on a leash in the foreground, the bulldog has Raybans on, is carrying a white cane and his collar carries the inscription "Maximum Joe". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

MJoe, you're very loyal, and that's admirable, cuz Tenboro is offered a lot of shit in these forums, way more than deserved. I'm just sad that your defense has to be so blunt and near-sighted at times, it's not fun to read....add a dash more humour to it and it would be twice as good. But I sense that you don't want to be seen as suffering fools gladly... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Looking forward to the reduced grinding HV when it arrives, in whatever form. It just seems a lot duller now, for this far-from-efficient Light Melee hack.

add a dash more humour to it and it would be twice as good.

I'm out of town so I don't have my reaction image collection with me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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I'd love to hear how any elemental mage handled schoolgirl marathons.

On IWBTH, Imperil > T3 > Hold R. Refuel with Ether Theft if needed. There really wasn't much to it.

Now I think it's a little trickier since schoolgirls are more durable and you can no longer abuse Magic Missile > CM > ET to completely replenish MP whenever you like. Now you can't be wasteful with your spells, and I can't help but think that you're just screwed if you aren't doing enough damage because your gear is just decent. I would be interested to know if your run-of-the-mill elemental mage could acquire Dovahkiin now.

Compared to what? 1-EDB stacking? I did pure dark and it was slower (and fucking terrible against some mobs). I'd love to hear how any elemental mage handled schoolgirl marathons.

Every decent mage did this. In fact, you're probably the only guy who does Holy/Dark rotation LOL.
Ask around. I'm sure plenty of other mages will laugh at you if you tell them your 2-EDB rotation is superior to 1-EDB.

In fact, let's see how many mages you can find who will support your side that 2-EDB was superior last patch. Go on. Seriously.

A pity you don't know my stats.

I don't need to know your stats. The fact that you use Holy/Dark instead of pure Holy or pure Dark says a lot about your knowledge and experience of proper maging.

You keep coming back to this so I'll keep pointing out: materials are significantly cheaper than ever.

Well, I was getting materials for FREE last patch.
Again: Grind required last patch = zero.
Grind required this patch = not zero.

Still can't believe you don't get this.

You misspelled "easy".

Oh no. Seriously ??? This game was never hard. It just wasn't as tedious as before.

Considering that's precisely how he tests things before patching them in I'd say no.

Explain the tons of ninja changes after the patch then. He had to fix spark and a bunch of other stuff after the patch went live, even mage damage and cooldown. He obviously did no deep testing there whatsoever.

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It's a pity I didn't have any screenshots of my damage before it got nerfed to shit by this patch, but here.
I was doing this around 10 months ago, when I was like lvl 340 or 350. Show me your superior damage at around the same level.

This post has been edited by Rei-Tenshi: Jun 2 2013, 07:17

YES! More love for DW (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

yay (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

In fact, you're probably the only guy who does Holy/Dark rotation

Bunker Buster.

proper maging.

Funny how it didn't work for me when I tried it. Perhaps blindly following the flavour of the month doesn't always work as "proper".

I was getting materials for FREE

And you really thought that would last forever? No online game lets you have an effective ROI of infinity, especially ones where the currency affects other aspects.

Bunker Buster.

Cool. Want me to name all the other mages who did 1-EDB stacking?

Funny how it didn't work for me when I tried it. Perhaps blindly following the flavour of the month doesn't always work as "proper".

Or maybe... just maybe... you were doing it wrong lol.

And you really thought that would last forever? No online game lets you have an effective ROI of infinity, especially ones where the currency affects other aspects.

He added grinding as an answer. So much for his long-term goal to reduce grinding.

And here, incase you missed it from my previous post:

It's a pity I didn't have any screenshots of my damage before it got nerfed to shit by this patch, but here.
I was doing this around 10 months ago, when I was like lvl 340 or 350. Show me your superior damage at around the same level.

edit: And just for lolz, scroll down 2 posts from the link above and try to beat Mah Final Form damage.

This post has been edited by Rei-Tenshi: Jun 2 2013, 07:39

He added grinding as an answer. So much for his long-term goal to reduce grinding.

But then, when we're accustomed to this level of grinding, he'll revert to patch 0.75 and we'll all be like FUCK YEAH LESS GRINDING! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Cool. Want me to name all the other mages who did 1-EDB stacking?

Why should I? I was countering this:

you're probably the only guy who does Holy/Dark rotation

And now it sounds more and more like spamming 1 button was actually what you considered "fun".

Or maybe... just maybe... you were doing it wrong lol.

1) Stack Dark EDB.
2) ???
3) Profit!

Did I miss something? Some mystical secret that varst forgot to tell me?

So much for his long-term goal to reduce grinding.

I should mention that he said that most recently in context to combat. The grinding for ML is intentional. Also, in the long-term you will hit the level cap... That should be interesting to say the least.

But then, when we're accustomed to this level of grinding, he'll revert to patch 0.75 and we'll all be like FUCK YEAH LESS GRINDING! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

People have short-term memories. Some actually think this is the toughest HV has ever been.

Why should I? I was countering this:

Ok fine, I'll let you win that one. Ok, so we have 2 guys rotating Holy/Dark. Big whoop. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Still, I want you to find a bunch of people willing to testify for your case that 2-EDB was superior.
I'm pretty sure that a bunch of other big-time mages like ChosenUno/danixxx/etc will back me up on this one.

And now it sounds more and more like spamming 1 button was actually what you considered "fun".

Yes it was. Getting drop after drop at a fast pace was fun.

Guess your definition of fun is getting drop after drop at a slow pace. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

People have short-term memories. Some actually think this is the toughest HV has ever been.

Sigh..... People aren't saying this patch made HV tough. They're saying this patch sucked all the fun out of HV.

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Before that widescreen update, that could have been a 3 liner.

Yes it was.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... fun:

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Getting drop after drop at a fast pace was fun.

I was kind of joking when I mentioned skinnerboxing earlier but holy shit... We may as well just replace HV with a prompt that says "Press X to receive all the phat loot." (And we'd still have at least one person complaining about having to press anything at all).

Guess your definition of fun is getting drop after drop at a slow pace. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

No, it's about problem-solving that rewards the player for making the correct ones. Those are the qualities that make something not a monotonous exercise of pressing a button. If there are no choices with consequences then it's not a game.

No, it's about problem-solving that rewards the player for making the correct ones. Those are the qualities that make something not a monotonous exercise of pressing a button. If there are no choices with consequences then it's not a game.

You seem to be under the assumption that I could one-shot stuff at a fast pace starting from lvl 1.
No sir, I actually spent a lot of time and effort to acquire my gears that allowed me to do that.
Get it? Put in effort in your gears = get rewarded with damage and fast clear times.

Which is part of the problem with this patch again. People who actually spent time and effort got shat on. While people like you using sub-par 2-EDB rotation actually benefited.

No sir, I actually spent a lot of time and effort to acquire my gears that allowed me to do that.

So... it used to be a game but now you've "earned" the right to reduce it down to 1 button most of the time. So you had to run up a hill once to enjoy your skinnerbox...

People who actually spent time and effort got shat on.

Fun fact: This applies to every patch past, present, and future. It's a known part of the "difficulty dilemma".

Either:
Things get easier, making previous efforts seem pointless.
or:
Things get harder, making future efforts seem daunting.

You seem to be under the assumption that I could one-shot stuff at a fast pace starting from lvl 1.
No sir, I actually spent a lot of time and effort to acquire my gears that allowed me to do that.
Get it? Put in effort in your gears = get rewarded with damage and fast clear times.

Which is part of the problem with this patch again. People who actually spent time and effort got shat on. While people like you using sub-par 2-EDB rotation actually benefited.

Rei-Tenshi has a point since it is one of these Things that has gone wrong with HV.

When I first joined the game it was much much much much much more grindy. Remember how long it took to reach Level 300? Only the Top Players Hito, Conquest and I reached that. But it was no Problem because everyone was able to make HUGE progress thanks to Equipment Drops. When you found a piece of Phase with better EDB you was able to FEEL the Difference as you was able to kill faster or after some upgraded you was even able to clear a higher Setting at the same speed you cleared the lower one before.
So you got notable Stronger for leveling and gearing up!

Now it does hardly make a Difference If I exchange one of my pieces for a better one.

Also normalfarming was NOT an Issue back then because you was limited so every serious player did his daily things on a Setting as high as possible.

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This post is only about maging because melee was THE SHIT back then and only Cmal was semi successful with it.

This is starting to remind me of the World of Warcraft forums each time Blizzard introduced major changes.

Tenboro, the system where monsters bleed morale and hunger for three days before it stops should be changed, as it still empty their hunger bar and a good chunk of morale. Instead, give monsters a lock mode like equipment has. When locked, a monster's morale and hunger doesn't drop, and the monster becomes temporarily inactive. Reactivating the monster by unlocking it can't be done until at least three days has passed.

Also, how about a seventh scroll slot? We can slot all the infusions, so why not all the scrolls as well?

You seem to be under the assumption that I could one-shot stuff at a fast pace starting from lvl 1.
No sir, I actually spent a lot of time and effort to acquire my gears that allowed me to do that.
Get it? Put in effort in your gears = get rewarded with damage and fast clear times.

I just think tenb don't want the mage can one shoot everything even if you paid a lot (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
So he just increase the survivability of mage instead.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... fun:

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I was kind of joking when I mentioned skinnerboxing earlier but holy shit... We may as well just replace HV with a prompt that says "Press X to receive all the phat loot." (And we'd still have at least one person complaining about having to press anything at all).
No, it's about problem-solving that rewards the player for making the correct ones. Those are the qualities that make something not a monotonous exercise of pressing a button. If there are no choices with consequences then it's not a game.

If there was something more to do besides arenas, like maybe quests, then I might agree. There are tons of MUDs/MUSHs/MOOs out there with tons of user contributed worlds/quests that TenB could mine for HV material. Hell, he could even just plugin that maze generator with REs and it;d be more exciting. As it stands, the monotony of the arena is hardly problem solving.

stuff

Sigh, I'm getting bored continuing this discussion since I pretty much have the support of nearly everybody on this discussion while I see ZERO posts here saying "Yeah, I think Joe is right on this one".

You haven't gotten a single thing right about maging either so there goes your HV credibility too.
(And I got a PM saying that the guys in IRC told you how proper maging worked last patch, so there.)

Get back to me when you actually have people agreeing with your side of things. On any point.

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Moving on.

To Skillchip or any person in IRC:

TELL TENBORO TO SHOW SOME LOVE TO UNARMED AND NAKED FIGHTING STYLE.
MAGES AND (ARMED) MELEE HAVEN'T BEEN NERFED ENOUGH YET.