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Mar 22 2013, 04:43
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Bunker Buster
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QUOTE(skillchip @ Mar 22 2013, 03:36)  Is the tweak make them not an artifact drop and make them arena clear bonuses?
186 energy drinks, 24 chaos tokens, 22 blood tokens
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Mar 22 2013, 07:25
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ChosenUno
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Arxdewn @ Mar 22 2013, 08:19)  So will there be rebalance so that melee at least have a chance of killing things in a timely fashion?
Or will we be stuck in the 5th round while mages are in their 80s?
Well if you're content on spending 80 million credits to forge your melee gear then maybe you won't be stuck at round 5. I probably spent more than that on my mage stuff so shouldn't I get to kill shit faster?
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Mar 22 2013, 08:59
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Ichy
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Mar 22 2013, 07:25)  Well if you're content on spending 80 million credits to forge your melee gear then maybe you won't be stuck at round 5.
I probably spent more than that on my mage stuff so shouldn't I get to kill shit faster?
You should spend on a faster connection (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Mar 22 2013, 10:31
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Lement
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You should spend on moving on europe.
And no, the balance (in that) will be like this: Depending on ping and gear, you'll be able to complete high difficulty rounds either faster as a melee or mage. GF benefits melees in deeper more to well, benefit melees.
So it will be dependent on ping like it is now. Just means the ping barrier will switch a bit.
Though I'd argue that gf is already better for melees with good loot drop trainings. Why must grinding heavy armor/2h prof be so hard? @MSimm1: Racking up lots of rounds !== being strong. Even a level 20 player can do the first 10 rounds in gf....over and over.
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Mar 22 2013, 11:24
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FAhentai
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 1,377
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Mar 22 2013, 11:47)  So will there be rebalance so that mages at least have a chance to go somewhere on high-difficulty fests?
Or will we be stuck at measly 80 rounds while melees go for 500-600 rounds?
500-600? you gonna be kidding. In recent patch the melee players has been significantly nerfed. Here is my gear: ESTOC HEADBODYHANDLEGFEETas you see, they are not bad and I guess they together gonna cost you more than 30M to buy. However, with this gear, I can not even get an ex gear IWed in X25 difficulty without using feather weight shard and scroll of protection since 90th round while before a melee player who reached LV300 and have all set of POWER OF PROTECTION plus a estoc that has been IWed to max with more than 70 based WD can easily do this.
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Mar 22 2013, 11:33
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MSimm1
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QUOTE(Lement @ Mar 22 2013, 03:31)  @MSimm1: Racking up lots of rounds !== being strong. Even a level 20 player can do the first 10 rounds in gf....over and over.
I'm happy just running a handful of arenas, GF is just too tedious for these tired ole bones (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Besides, I like my battles to have an ending other than defeat or fleeing (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Mar 22 2013, 11:42
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FAhentai
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Mar 22 2013, 17:59)  You should spend on a faster connection (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) if you live in a country which is located another side of the world, such as Australia, then, no matter how fast you connection is, you are still suffering.....For example, myself......My delay will always more than 350MS (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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Mar 22 2013, 12:05
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Ichy
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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QUOTE(fa怪叔叔 @ Mar 22 2013, 11:42)  if you live in a country which is located another side of the world, such as Australia, then, no matter how fast you connection is, you are still suffering.....For example, myself......My delay will always more than 350MS (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Maybe we get some overseas server if you donate enough (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Mar 22 2013, 12:14
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FAhentai
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Mar 22 2013, 21:05)  Maybe we get some overseas server if you donate enough (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) well....I'm not that rich...but I'm very sure there are many rich bastards in China. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) maybe tenboro should do this?
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Mar 22 2013, 13:00
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ChosenUno
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 23-February 10

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QUOTE(fa怪叔叔 @ Mar 22 2013, 16:24)  500-600? you gonna be kidding. In recent patch the melee players has been significantly nerfed. Here is my gear: ESTOC HEADBODYHANDLEGFEETas you see, they are not bad and I guess they together gonna cost you more than 30M to buy. However, with this gear, I can not even get an ex gear IWed in X25 difficulty without using feather weight shard and scroll of protection since 90th round while before a melee player who reached LV300 and have all set of POWER OF PROTECTION plus a estoc that has been IWed to max with more than 70 based WD can easily do this. Have you tried plate? Don't complain that you can't go far if you're in full power (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Try plate of protection, seriously...
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Mar 22 2013, 13:04
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Ichy
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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In a perfect world Full power of Slaughter would be as fast as EDB Nuke Mage and Plate would be as safe as Full Cotton Safety First mages (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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Mar 22 2013, 13:55
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T_Starrk
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Mar 21 2013, 21:25)  Well if you're content on spending 80 million credits to forge your melee gear then maybe you won't be stuck at round 5.
I probably spent more than that on my mage stuff so shouldn't I get to kill shit faster?
Game balancing shouldn't be done based off the player market.
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Mar 22 2013, 13:58
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FAhentai
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Mar 22 2013, 22:00)  Have you tried plate? Don't complain that you can't go far if you're in full power (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Try plate of protection, seriously... When I fight to fight in IW, I do wear Plate of protection. However, it doesn't count if you reached 90+rounds, you still have to use scroll of protection to fight or else you have to use cure 1 sometime even cure2 all the time which your MP potions finished before you finish IW. And also, you have to know that sometime the damage is also a very important part of survivability, especially in the IW and those high level arenas: you have to kill some of monsters before they are able to use their red bar and blue bar skills or else they gonna take you almost 20% of base SP and 25% of your total hp. How much you can take that? Therefore, I don't think full Plate of Protection is fit for IW and high level areans This post has been edited by fa怪叔叔: Mar 22 2013, 14:25
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Mar 22 2013, 14:03
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ChosenUno
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(fa怪叔叔 @ Mar 22 2013, 18:58)  When I fight to fight in IW, I do wear Plate of protection. However, it doesn't count if you reached 90+rounds, you still have to use scroll of protection to fight or else you have to use cure 1 sometime even cure2 all the time which your MP potion finished before you finish IW. Full plate of protection? I sincerely doubt you can't finish IWBTH Legendary IW 200 rounds with full plate and your estoc.
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Mar 22 2013, 14:14
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FAhentai
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Mar 22 2013, 23:03)  Full plate of protection? I sincerely doubt you can't finish IWBTH Legendary IW 200 rounds with full plate and your estoc.
I can do that, however, I need to use scroll of protection since 90th rounds and use feather weight shard on all my armours (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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Mar 22 2013, 14:19
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Teana Lanster
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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Joined: 8-July 10

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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Mar 22 2013, 20:03)  Full plate of protection? I sincerely doubt you can't finish IWBTH Legendary IW 200 rounds with full plate and your estoc.
I think rather than talking of how many plate or power protection or power slaughter, it may be better to discuss in how many total damage and PMI can finish a EX X25 IW. Even I fail in most of the EX X25 IW without any feather weight. Of course I am not a standard as I don't have any good power or plate, but I have tried quite many of time to mix plate and power, the result come out with not many difference. Increasing the PMI and (Crushing...) , decrease in damage, that may make the cure requirement go to 110~120 rounds. However, after this level, the mana portions go too quick due to not high enough damage. Increasing damage and decrease in PMI, which make you kill faster but you need cure early and more frequently. I am not asking for something, I just want to tell the situation 'may' not be that good. But if you want to tell the special case like having 10K+ damage and 75%+ PMI, then I have nothing to say (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Mar 22 2013, 14:42
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ChosenUno
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(andywong @ Mar 22 2013, 19:19)  I think rather than talking of how many plate or power protection or power slaughter, it may be better to discuss in how many total damage and PMI can finish a EX X25 IW. Even I fail in most of the EX X25 IW without any feather weight. Of course I am not a standard as I don't have any good power or plate, but I have tried quite many of time to mix plate and power, the result come out with not many difference. Increasing the PMI and (Crushing...) , decrease in damage, that may make the cure requirement go to 110~120 rounds. However, after this level, the mana portions go too quick due to not high enough damage. Increasing damage and decrease in PMI, which make you kill faster but you need cure early and more frequently. I am not asking for something, I just want to tell the situation 'may' not be that good. But if you want to tell the special case like having 10K+ damage and 75%+ PMI, then I have nothing to say (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But people seem to talk about mages who do IWBTH DwD in 20 minutes as if every single mage can do that. Or how mages who spend 100 million credits on their gear as if every single mage does that. So I'm just returning the favor (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Mar 22 2013, 15:55
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Lement
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fa怪叔叔: That's estoc is pretty nice...However, you're complaining that you have to either cast cure or use scrolls having to use featherweights...when featherweights cost 650c each, you're not using other 2 shards and you wear no legendaries/mags aside from plate, plus all your armor has no prefixes and you barge in highest difficulty mode with 4 pieces being of second-weakest armor regarding defense(which have relatively less% boost in damage)?
A single good shielding prefix roll can provide more defense than all the PMI forging on your armors combined. No, a legitimate complaint that I'd expect would be along the lines of time it takes, not having to actually try to win at highest difficulty.
T_Starrk: No, but player market can provide where to start to look at. And forging costs aren't even based on player market. Plus the fact that the game offers so much things of varying quality and class randomly that player market is pretty much a given.
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Mar 22 2013, 16:36
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kserox
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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QUOTE(Lement @ Mar 22 2013, 15:55)  you barge in highest difficulty mode with 4 pieces being of second-weakest armor regarding defense(which have relatively less% boost in damage)?
A single good shielding prefix roll can provide more defense than all the PMI forging on your armors combined.
Wut (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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Mar 22 2013, 17:21
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FAhentai
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Lement @ Mar 23 2013, 00:55)  fa怪叔叔: That's estoc is pretty nice...However, you're complaining that you have to either cast cure or use scrolls having to use featherweights...when featherweights cost 650c each, you're not using other 2 shards and you wear no legendaries/mags aside from plate, plus all your armor has no prefixes and you barge in highest difficulty mode with 4 pieces being of second-weakest armor regarding defense(which have relatively less% boost in damage)?
A single good shielding prefix roll can provide more defense than all the PMI forging on your armors combined. No, a legitimate complaint that I'd expect would be along the lines of time it takes, not having to actually try to win at highest difficulty. T_Starrk: No, but player market can provide where to start to look at. And forging costs aren't even based on player market. Plus the fact that the game offers so much things of varying quality and class randomly that player market is pretty much a given.
Did you even know what you talk about? Sorry for being rude but I guess you need to know some more about Hentaiverse and hit LV330+ and come back to see if you get it right or not. From you replying, I guess you have too much misunderstanding about this game. Who told you that Leg/MAG is always better than EX? I have many mag gears that is even worse than EX. Who told you that LEG/MAG gear is powerful enough to fight IW in X25? I can tell you that my helmet and power leg now is even better than LEG ones coz I did compare those gears with LEG ones after I upgrade their PMI. Besides, have you see my plate cuirass of protection yet? Can you found any LEG gears has that much PMI before any upgrade? Who told you that prefix for heavy armor is very useful? Sadly, I found this is almost useless coz the prefix is likely to deduct your overall roll points and the benefit it brings is so tiny to make some significant change. For example, the Shielding Prefix, you really expecting that 5% block chance can do something? For me, I'd rather put the roll points back to PAB, ADB,PMI or even DM. Seriously, man, there are a lot of things you need to know.
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