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Feb 28 2013, 10:00
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Frostbite
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QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Feb 27 2013, 04:40)  Shield armor did fit a niche, but it wasn't enough. The game is better balanced towards "glass cannon" than "meat with toothpick".
Because we Melee only got three skills in arsenal besides beating the bushes one-by-one ( with percentage of Domino Strike / Stunning / Bleeding / Penetrating Armor ) Meanwhile Mages get a lot of 'skills' from Attack to Defense matk etc etc. We need more variety melee skills ! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) QUOTE(jcullinane @ Feb 27 2013, 08:15)  My 2H Heavy Tank setup is pretty much broken now. I tried Protection Power and Legacy Shield armor. Mob resistances and action speed are just too OP to be able to tank effectively. Granted I don't have Legendary everything, and all the perks, and maxed out training, but for the average Joe I have some of all that. and yes I do play on IBWTH except for Item World, but if I could get my hands on any good drops on any other difficulty then I would bump down.
I don't have any of the new Heavy armor variants, but I really don't see how it's going to make a huge difference, except for perhaps Magnificent or Legendary Plate (which of course, drops so regularly, and I bet is selling for ridiculous prices).
That the sum of my experiences thus far, so, all in all, standard thumbs down to another HV update. I guess there isn't anyone out there that knows how to make HV fun to play again and not mostly tedious for all the past effort.
- JC
P.S. I did dabble with Kevlar/Fleet/Arcanist/Shadowdancer 2H set options, and got my ass kicked hard for the same reasons above, only with less mana consumption. Even with Mace.
Since Action Speed is "eliminated" or at least modified in some kind of ways that AGI is a broken stats besides adding 0.01 avoidance rate right now (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) My medium armor build also feels 'not quite playable enjoyable yet'. I'm still figuring out how to play/grind more enjoyable without resorting to Legendaries and some Godly-tier equipments It is now better wear Armor/Weapons that have 'Swift Strike' or 'Action Speed Increase' like new Prefix "Agile" rather than upping your AGIThis post has been edited by Frostbite: Feb 28 2013, 10:06
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Feb 28 2013, 10:03
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Teana Lanster
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Feb 28 2013, 15:45)  It seems to me that protection with IA1 seems to cost less mana than if I cast it in spirit stance.
Anyway, I got my answer myself. Thanks (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by andywong: Feb 28 2013, 20:06
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Feb 28 2013, 10:07
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Frostbite @ Feb 28 2013, 19:00)  Because we Melee only got three skills in arsenal besides beating the bushes one-by-one ( with percentage of Domino Strike / Stunning / Bleeding / Penetrating Armor ) Meanwhile Mages get a lot of 'skills' from Attack to Defense matk etc etc. We need more variety melee skills ! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) No we don't. The entire reason we play melee is so that we could mindlessly spam the same button over and over again. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Feb 28 2013, 10:08
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Frostbite
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Feb 27 2013, 21:07)  No we don't. The entire reason we play melee is so that we could mindlessly spam the same button over and over again. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Why ? I want more variety (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) If bots are permitted.. I would love melee for mindlessly spamming button over and over like a zombie, eh (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) This post has been edited by Frostbite: Feb 28 2013, 10:09
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Feb 28 2013, 10:16
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MikukoAya
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Holy Demon, actually, it started with me trying to explain why karma was potentially a bad thing then suddenly everyone decided to kill me.
And succeeded.... Several times...
Honestly, I don't like the new action speed system. The new buff system isn't that bad aside from the change in regen that it is causing (which is only bad due to the new action speed system).
Possibly a way to "fix" agi would be to double the effects of agi. maybe make it increase evade more. Maybe make it also affect accuracy for magic and melee.
This post has been edited by MikukoAya: Feb 28 2013, 10:18
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Feb 28 2013, 10:16
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Lement
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Bots are not permitted, but what demon is getting at that is that you could watch a movie, pet the cat, chat with family and melee at the same time two patches ago with pretty much no loss in efficiency in any one of them.
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Feb 28 2013, 10:17
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teddy.bear
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Has anyone got an armor with the new suffixes from shrining yet? Just shrined 20 trophies including a noodle and didnt get any of the new stuff? Also does anyone yet have any idea of the rate at which the new equips drop?
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Feb 28 2013, 10:17
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ohmightycat
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QUOTE(buktore @ Feb 26 2013, 14:15)  I wonder how will Tenb going to address the issue of the whole AGI mess. I mean, you can't simply just throw AGI away and pretend that it never exists at this point now... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) QUOTE(Tenboro @ Feb 26 2013, 15:09)  Watch me. :3
If Tenboro does intend to remove agilty altogether then should we move our experience points from AGI now or will they be returned when the removal is implemented? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Feb 28 2013, 10:45
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Mindflayer88
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QUOTE(ohmightycat @ Feb 28 2013, 11:17)  If Tenboro does intend to remove agilty altogether then should we move our experience points from AGI now or will they be returned when the removal is implemented? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) And the first one to not get his XP back has appeared. Don't ask for refunds. Ever.
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Feb 28 2013, 10:47
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Tenboro

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QUOTE(Arxdewn @ Feb 28 2013, 08:47)  What seems off is how long it takes to replace gear. If things are meant to be replaced, it should happen at a reasonable rate. People like to see progress. One new piece of gear every 6 months makes people want to quit. Empirical testing shows that increasing average equipment drop quality goes 0% towards increasing replacement rate and 100% towards increasing expectations.
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Feb 28 2013, 10:48
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(teddy.bear @ Feb 28 2013, 19:17)  Has anyone got an armor with the new suffixes from shrining yet? Just shrined 20 trophies including a noodle and didnt get any of the new stuff? Also does anyone yet have any idea of the rate at which the new equips drop?
Well I got this 3 hours ago. Legendary, 4PAB, Charged suffix, fucking CLOTH, useless (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) This post has been edited by holy_demon: Feb 28 2013, 10:50
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Feb 28 2013, 10:48
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Mindflayer88
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Feb 28 2013, 11:47)  Empirical testing shows that increasing average equipment drop quality goes 0% towards increasing replacement rate and 100% towards increasing expectations.
I like expectations.
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Feb 28 2013, 11:09
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Arxdewn
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Feb 28 2013, 00:47)  Empirical testing shows that increasing average equipment drop quality goes 0% towards increasing replacement rate and 100% towards increasing expectations.
Isn't that what you want, more soul hope crushing? In all seriousness, you wouldn't necessarily have to increase quality directly; if every, say, 6 months, release a new / updated equipment type similar to adding haste to daggers and wakizashi. 5% - 10% gains from the same quality rolls wouldn't immediately replace existing gear, but encourage growth.
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Feb 28 2013, 11:26
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Tenboro

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QUOTE(Arxdewn @ Feb 28 2013, 10:09)  In all seriousness, you wouldn't necessarily have to increase quality directly; if every, say, 6 months, release a new / updated equipment type similar to adding haste to daggers and wakizashi. 5% - 10% gains from the same quality rolls wouldn't immediately replace existing gear, but encourage growth. Enter the whining masses that bitch about their equipment suddenly being obsolete, demanding that all improvements are made retroactive or that they should be refunded for their time and efforts. Then (threaten to) ragequit when I don't listen to them. I don't care, by the way. You want to quit because your Awesome Doodit of Coolness in a very much unfinished game is slightly less cooler because a slightly cooler Doodit is now available, go right ahead. I sincerely hope you never acquire any Apple products.
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Feb 28 2013, 11:29
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T_Starrk
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QUOTE(Arxdewn @ Feb 28 2013, 00:09)  Isn't that what you want, more soul hope crushing?
In all seriousness, you wouldn't necessarily have to increase quality directly; if every, say, 6 months, release a new / updated equipment type similar to adding haste to daggers and wakizashi. 5% - 10% gains from the same quality rolls wouldn't immediately replace existing gear, but encourage growth.
No, this would be annoying to most long-term players with forged gears. I mean fuck, is my club/rapier/estoc going to become obsolete when he releases new stats on a weapon every six months? I've spent millions forging them, lol. Maybe if he allowed us to add the new stat through forging or something. Anyway, I like how he did they new equipment on this patch, he just kept it to small bonuses for rare equipment that way all our forged shit didn't become automatically obsolete.
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Feb 28 2013, 11:40
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T_Starrk
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Feb 28 2013, 00:26)  Enter the whining masses that bitch about their equipment suddenly being obsolete, demanding that all improvements are made retroactive or that they should be refunded for their time and efforts. Then (threaten to) ragequit when I don't listen to them.
I don't care, by the way. You want to quit because your Awesome Doodit of Coolness in a very much unfinished game is slightly less cooler because a slightly cooler Doodit is now available, go right ahead. I sincerely hope you never acquire any Apple products.
Yes, pretty much this (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) . I think Tenboro underestimates just how much time and effort people put into their equipment in this game though. Also with Apple products you can buy a new upgrade. I can't just buy a new Magnificent Ethereal Rapier of Balance every 6 months that has 4 PABs, 24%/7 turn proc, and high accuracy (basically a very fucking rare weapon). This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Feb 28 2013, 11:50
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Feb 28 2013, 11:50
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Mindflayer88
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So I cannot have new cool stuff because your old cool stuff would look less cool next to it? I wish I still had some of the somewhat ancient items from when I first started so I could demand that everything that didn't exist back then would be undone so I feel better.
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Feb 28 2013, 11:50
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ChosenUno
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Feb 28 2013, 16:26)  Enter the whining masses that bitch about their equipment suddenly being obsolete, demanding that all improvements are made retroactive or that they should be refunded for their time and efforts. Then (threaten to) ragequit when I don't listen to them.
I don't care, by the way. You want to quit because your Awesome Doodit of Coolness in a very much unfinished game is slightly less cooler because a slightly cooler Doodit is now available, go right ahead. I sincerely hope you never acquire any Apple products.
It's more like it takes a long time and effort to forge it. If there's no forging, then replacement wouldn't really be a problem. If salvaging returns % of all mats spent on forging the item, then it would encourage item replacement. Or maybe allow us to pay some mats to transfer forging between items. I dunno, something to make replacing forged equipment less painful.
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Feb 28 2013, 11:51
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Tenboro

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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Feb 28 2013, 10:40)  Yes, pretty much this (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) . I think Tenboro underestimates just how much time and effort people put into their equipment in this game though. I don't, actually. And the effort of upgrading one piece of equipment is probably too high right now. But the point still stands, that adding even tiny improvements to a gear type brings a whole lot of bawwing from people who suddenly has the Slightly Less Cool Doodit. (You should see some of the PMs I get.)
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Feb 28 2013, 11:55
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T_Starrk
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QUOTE(Mindflayer88 @ Feb 28 2013, 00:50)  So I cannot have new cool stuff because your old cool stuff would look less cool next to it? I wish I still had some of the somewhat ancient items from when I first started so I could demand that everything that didn't exist back then would be undone so I feel better.
No. I never said you can't get new cool stuff. Just that Tenboro should allow us to upgrade our old stuff if he does or do like he did this patch and keep it small.
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