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Shield Armor was retired.
....

More like expanded.
Shielding plate = an upgrade to the old shield armor
Shield power = a new variant of shield armor

Before a shield armor was a rare tradeoff that had you sacrificing PMI for block compared to plate (a bad deal since PMI reduces spirit consumption while block doesn't; blocks advantage is that it can get spells too but those are rare). Now that shielding is an rare upgrade prefix to plate it is more useful and valuable since you aren't sacrificing PMI for it anymore (instead its balanced by rarity and by not being mithril).

This post has been edited by mrttao: Feb 27 2013, 04:03

Mm, patch was not good for my cloth melee set. Changes to Regen really messed up survivability, and I need to find a new dagger. Well, I can't complain too much for that, since I'm sure it's not intended use.

Cloth melee hasn't been viable since rating system was removed hth

More like expanded.
Shielding plate = an upgrade to the old shield armor
Shield power = a new variant of shield armor

Before a shield armor was a rare tradeoff that had you sacrificing PMI for block compared to plate (a bad deal since PMI reduces spirit consumption while block doesn't; blocks advantage is that it can get spells too but those are rare). Now that shielding is an rare upgrade prefix to plate it is more useful and valuable since you aren't sacrificing PMI for it anymore (instead its balanced by rarity and by not being mithril).

No, retired. The new Shielding prefix armours are not supposed to block unless you had a... wait for it... Shield. Whether this is true or not I don't know, but that's what TenB said.

The old Shield armours blocked whether you were maging or dual-wielding or whatever. This is not insignificant.

Cloth melee hasn't been viable since rating system was removed hth

Well... viable it remains, actually. Scary, but viable. Definitely for lower difficulties, and maybe higher difficulties but lower-level Arenas. All you need is a high-proc Mace with 5-turn Stun or something.

Sorry guy's i was not a wear of the taboo around thass question i ask about .73 patch. I bearly ask question in thasin this part of the forum.

My deepess Apologise if i put you in trouble.

This may be a stupid question,
but can ethereal type weapon attack missed/evaded aside from being parried?

11 4 Bleeding Wound hits Toki Wartooth for 207 damage.
11 3 Regen II restores 526 points of health.
11 2 Cygnus has been defeated.
11 1 You crit Cygnus for 5876 void damage.
10 3 You parry the attack from Cygnus.
10 2 Toki Wartooth misses the attack against you.
10 1 Toki Wartooth evades your attack. <----HUH!!??
9 10 Bleeding Wound hits Cygnus for 207 damage.
9 9 Bleeding Wound hits Toki Wartooth for 207 damage.
9 8 The effect Shadow Veil has expired.
9 7 Regen II restores 526 points of health.
9 6 Cygnus misses the attack against you.
9 5 Cygnus gains the effect Bleeding Wound.
9 4 Void Strike hits Cygnus for 998 void damage.
9 3 Your offhand hits Cygnus for 1755 void damage.
9 2 Void Strike hits Cygnus for 1885 void damage.
9 1 You hit Cygnus for 3437 void damage.
8 8 Toki Wartooth is agitated!

This may be a stupid question,
but can ethereal type weapon attack missed/evaded aside from being parried?

11 4 Bleeding Wound hits Toki Wartooth for 207 damage.
11 3 Regen II restores 526 points of health.
11 2 Cygnus has been defeated.
11 1 You crit Cygnus for 5876 void damage.
10 3 You parry the attack from Cygnus.
10 2 Toki Wartooth misses the attack against you.
10 1 Toki Wartooth evades your attack. <----HUH!!??
9 10 Bleeding Wound hits Cygnus for 207 damage.
9 9 Bleeding Wound hits Toki Wartooth for 207 damage.
9 8 The effect Shadow Veil has expired.
9 7 Regen II restores 526 points of health.
9 6 Cygnus misses the attack against you.
9 5 Cygnus gains the effect Bleeding Wound.
9 4 Void Strike hits Cygnus for 998 void damage.
9 3 Your offhand hits Cygnus for 1755 void damage.
9 2 Void Strike hits Cygnus for 1885 void damage.
9 1 You hit Cygnus for 3437 void damage.
8 8 Toki Wartooth is agitated!

All weapons can be evaded and parried. All spells can be evaded and resisted. In addition, all players with 'Shield' somewhere on their equips can potentially block.

What made you think Void weapons are special? Just curious.

I'm just tought that ethereal type weapon can't be avoided
and thanks for the information

No, retired. The new Shielding prefix armours are not supposed to block unless you had a... wait for it... Shield. Whether this is true or not I don't know, but that's what TenB said.

The old Shield armours blocked whether you were maging or dual-wielding or whatever. This is not insignificant.

Frankly if the standard 2h/plate also had block, we would be pretty OP. I guess that's the reason for the shield requirements

I'm just tought that ethereal type weapon can't be avoided
and thanks for the information

It's the other way around. Ethereal weapons do void damage and avoid stands for anti-void so it nullifies void damage completely. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Tenbro, I tried to look at other player's shrine list, and it seems oak and willow drops way less than redwood now. Are they still in tier 1 or moved to tier 2? (Since you've removed ebony)

This post has been edited by varst: Feb 27 2013, 07:24

This may be a stupid question,
but can ethereal type weapon attack missed/evaded aside from being parried?

11 4 Bleeding Wound hits Toki Wartooth for 207 damage.
11 3 Regen II restores 526 points of health.
11 2 Cygnus has been defeated.
11 1 You crit Cygnus for 5876 void damage.
10 3 You parry the attack from Cygnus.
10 2 Toki Wartooth misses the attack against you.
10 1 Toki Wartooth evades your attack. <----HUH!!??
9 10 Bleeding Wound hits Cygnus for 207 damage.
9 9 Bleeding Wound hits Toki Wartooth for 207 damage.
9 8 The effect Shadow Veil has expired.
9 7 Regen II restores 526 points of health.
9 6 Cygnus misses the attack against you.
9 5 Cygnus gains the effect Bleeding Wound.
9 4 Void Strike hits Cygnus for 998 void damage.
9 3 Your offhand hits Cygnus for 1755 void damage.
9 2 Void Strike hits Cygnus for 1885 void damage.
9 1 You hit Cygnus for 3437 void damage.
8 8 Toki Wartooth is agitated!

Yes it can be evaded, parried or resisted ( if magic attack )

Even if you have maxed the % hit chance into 200%

Frankly if the standard 2h/plate also had block, we would be pretty OP. I guess that's the reason for the shield requirements

It does work, I just wore two pieces of the new shielding armor with my estoc/heavy set and look:

7 5 You block the attack from Kazane Hiyori.

14 6 You block the attack from Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st.
14 5 You block the attack from Kanoe Yuuko.

It's safe to say that if TenB leaves it as is then Legendary Shielding Plate of Protection is by far the best (or does shielding come on power armor too? Still haven't seen one yet (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ).

This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Feb 27 2013, 07:39

It does work, I just wore two pieces of the new shielding armor with my estoc heavy set and look:

7 5 You block the attack from Kazane Hiyori.

It's safe to say that if TenB leaves it as is then Legendary Shielding Plate of Protection is by far the best (or does shielding come on power armor too? Still haven't seen one yet (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ).

Hoo-YEAH!

Legendary Shielding Power (piece) of Slaughter FTW! Well, it would be nice, anyway.

Then yes, because you don't need Shielding Runes to upgrade Plate armour, Shield has just been expanded.

It does work, I just wore two pieces of the new shielding armor with my estoc/heavy set and look:

7 5 You block the attack from Kazane Hiyori.

It's safe to say that if TenB leaves it as is then Legendary Shielding Plate of Protection is by far the best (or does shielding come on power armor too? Still haven't seen one yet (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ).

Well if shielding does drop for power, Shielding Power of Slaughter would be even better (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Then yes, because you don't need Shielding Runes to upgrade Plate armour, Shield has just been expanded.

Sort of, there still remains the fact that the block on the new shielding armor doesn't get anywhere near that of old barrier armor. Personally though, I'd rather have Plate of Protection with a little bit of block on it.

It does work, I just wore two pieces of the new shielding armor with my estoc/heavy set and look:

7 5 You block the attack from Kazane Hiyori.

14 6 You block the attack from Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen 501st.
14 5 You block the attack from Kanoe Yuuko.

It's safe to say that if TenB leaves it as is then Legendary Shielding Plate of Protection is by far the best (or does shielding come on power armor too? Still haven't seen one yet (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ).

That's good. Much better than mithril. I'd rather take 20% block from a full shielding set than -15 burden from a full mithril set. Mithril should be -50% burden.

That's good. Much better than mithril. I'd rather take 20% block from a full shielding set than -15 burden from a full mithril set. Mithril should be -50% burden.

Yes, plate should be shade with triple the PMI. Sounds fair.

23 10 You have been defeated.
23 9 Drill That Creates The Heavens hits you for 3529 crushing damage.
23 8 Your spirit shield absorbs 3771 points of damage from the attack into 25.93 points of spirit damage.
23 7 Aasta uses Drill That Creates The Heavens
23 6 Phantasmagoria hits you for 3529 piercing damage.
23 5 Your spirit shield absorbs 5939 points of damage from the attack into 40.84 points of spirit damage.
23 4 Liselotte Werckmeister uses Phantasmagoria
23 3 You gain 0.02 points of light armor proficiency.
23 2 Celestia Lindwurm hits you for 1242 crushing damage.
23 1 Aasta parries your attack.

Kevlar is still paper thin. I'm afraid to imagine how things are going for shade players.

...or mages.

Yes, plate should be shade with triple the PMI. Sounds fair.

Shade has:

1. Attack Damage Bonus
2. ZERO Burden
3. Much, much lower Interference (in the case of Arcanist, practically nil)
4. Evade and Resist
5. Physical Crit if Shadowdancer
6. Physical Accuracy bonus

None of which Plate armour has. None.

And looking at the wiki rolls, non-Protection Plate compared to Shade has only ~2x the base PMI at Legendary (and much closer to ~1.6x at lower qualities).

So, yes, I think that Mithril Plate should be fairly carrying infinitely more Burden than shade (which any amount is, as current Shade has 0 Burden), for a mere 2x the PMI.

Presumably you meant Kevlar. But Uno's pointed out that you can assemble a Kevlar set that's really, really close to Plate set - for a fraction the B/I.

@kserox: Those look like my numbers, and I'm using Heavy.