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It takes what, 3-5 seconds to complete either puzzle? Pretty small price. Suppose the person you're bidding against has an extra 100 million credits from boting all the time. Good luck wining that new item in an auction. SP recovery and longer duration wouldn't be amiss though.

I play pretty far from the screen using only one hand on the keyboard, and don't pay much attention to the game itself, but whenever a riddle pops up, I have to put down what I'm holding in my other hand, move closer to the screen and then solve the puzzle.

It's already pretty annoying as it was before, now it's almost unbearable that I don't even use up more than 10 stamina on week days, and I just don't care enough if other people are getting more credits than I am, rather have a smoother playing experience.



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This post has been edited by holerider: Feb 1 2013, 15:31

It takes what, 3-5 seconds to complete either puzzle? Pretty small price. Suppose the person you're bidding against has an extra 100 million credits from boting all the time. Good luck wining that new item in an auction. SP recovery and longer duration wouldn't be amiss though.

Here's the point. Riddlemaster challenges break your flow. They're designed to do that, so that they have a halfway decent chance of screwing around with a bot. They are all but useless in lower-round Arenas, because you CANNOT accumulate sufficient credits to make it worthwhile. Again, Arenas are available ONLY once a day, and in the case of any Arena lower than 25 rounds, even on IWBTH, take so little time that I'M the bloody bot, not some software programme.

I would, if I could, recommend compulsory Riddlemaster every 10 rounds in all battles. Any Arena less than 10 rounds (including RoB, obviously) gets off scot-free, IW + GF has Round 2 Riddlemaster. And if the Riddlemaster challenge is met:

1. 15% Phys+Mag attack bonus, +5% Phys+Mag crit bonus for 125 rounds
2. HP Gem
3. MP Gem
4. MP Gem

Actually, this is a win-win for everyone. I think mages would love this, because it means they could go longer in higher difficulties. It would sure as hell stop me from complaining that this patch (and most likely all future patches) suxxor.

It takes what, 3-5 seconds to complete either puzzle? Pretty small price. Suppose the person you're bidding against has an extra 100 million credits from boting all the time. Good luck wining that new item in an auction. SP recovery and longer duration wouldn't be amiss though.

Ok, let's get some calculations done.

Before, we used to get riddles at about round 10-20 for arenas.

So assuming the botter only do up to 10 round one, we'll have 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10 = 55 rounds of arena.

Now I just did a RE with 7 mobs, giving me 155 credits in IWBTH. That's about 22c a mob on IWBTH.

For the first few arenas, there are about 3-4 mobs usually. I can't access Wiki atm so I can't confirm. Let's just assume it's 4 mobs. 4 * 55 = 220 mobs * 22c = 4840c.

How would you gain anything from doing this? 5k a day. That's assuming he/she is strong enough to do IWBTH arenas up to 10 rounds, which means you have to be level 140 or so.

How many accounts do you have to spam for this to be worthwhile (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

To be honest, I don't really care about the botters. We're not playing a PvP MMORPG game. There's no real 'pay to enhance your HV gaming e-peen' ever since donations got closed. My gaming experience is not unduly affected by botters. Why, yes, I'm shallow, narrow-minded and selfish, how can you tell?

Well... More credits = inflation. So things you first had to pay, say, 14000 credits, you will now have to pay 16000 credits. These kind of situations never go well. Take Germany after World War 1. The government had printed so much money that the currency that they were using wasn't worth anything anymore. (Of course these are extreme cases, and the chances that this will happen are really slim.)

And I don't think you're shallow, narrow-minded and selfish at all. I don't care that much if there are botters, since this game is playable without other players. It just becomes a little harder to get good stuff for not that many credits. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


@ChosenUno

It don't think it is really that hard to spam a lot of accounts, if you have found a way to bot, to be honest.

This post has been edited by SoraNoAki: Feb 1 2013, 16:27

Well, if it was only those 5k a day, per account, if hes been playing as long as you have that 5.5 million (not including any other drops). If we're talking about Mechafujoshi's 50 accounts, that would be over 273 million.

The Bot situation must be pretty horrible if Tenb is forced to to something like that.

At this point I'm close to suggest to go back to the ancient rules. Daily Limit on IW, Limit on GF.
Not tradeable Crystals, Materials, Trophies...

This post has been edited by Ichy: Feb 1 2013, 16:42

Here's the point. Riddlemaster challenges break your flow. They're designed to do that, so that they have a halfway decent chance of screwing around with a bot. They are all but useless in lower-round Arenas, because you CANNOT accumulate sufficient credits to make it worthwhile. Again, Arenas are available ONLY once a day, and in the case of any Arena lower than 25 rounds, even on IWBTH, take so little time that I'M the bloody bot, not some software programme.

I would, if I could, recommend compulsory Riddlemaster every 10 rounds in all battles. Any Arena less than 10 rounds (including RoB, obviously) gets off scot-free, IW + GF has Round 2 Riddlemaster. And if the Riddlemaster challenge is met:

1. 15% Phys+Mag attack bonus, +5% Phys+Mag crit bonus for 125 rounds
2. HP Gem
3. MP Gem
4. MP Gem

Actually, this is a win-win for everyone. I think mages would love this, because it means they could go longer in higher difficulties. It would sure as hell stop me from complaining that this patch (and most likely all future patches) suxxor.

I sorta agree except I think it should be +/- 5 .

Every 5-15 rounds. Otherwise, you could easily set up a function to just warn the user every 10th turn. I don't know if the script I was asking about making is allowed, but l'm sure that some bot user somewhere has already made a script that gives the solution to the rm problems AND answers them.

The Bot situation must be pretty horrible if Tenb is forced to to something like that.

At this point I'm close to suggest to go back to the ancient rules. Daily Limit on IW, Limit on GF.
Not tradeable Crystals, Materials, Trophies...

Sellable and buyable through the market still I hope, lol. But otherwise, I sorta agree with that thought.


Is there like no rule about multiple accounts or something? (Sorry, but I forget, some sites do and others don't and I forget which one this is)

This post has been edited by MikukoAya: Feb 1 2013, 16:52

Sellable and buyable through the market still I hope, lol. But otherwise, I sorta agree with that thought.
Is there like no rule about multiple accounts or something? (Sorry, but I forget, some sites do and others don't and I forget which one this is)

Sure why not? The main Idea is the following: Tenb can get a pretty good Idea of what a guy can get in one day. With some long time tracking he can pretty much tell if someone is getting more shit than he is supposed to and look closer.

The guys who is just using their bot to clear his daily HV work is harmless. Still unfair but harmless compared to big time cheaters.

Yeah multi accounting is against the rules but if the guy is clever tenb has a hard time to find out.

Sure why not? The main Idea is the following: Tenb can get a pretty good Idea of what a guy can get in one day. With some long time tracking he can pretty much tell if someone is getting more shit than he is supposed to and look closer.

The guys who is just using their bot to clear his daily HV work is harmless. Still unfair but harmless compared to big time cheaters.

Yeah multi accounting is against the rules but if the guy is clever tenb has a hard time to find out.

Even looking at behaviors it's difficult to determine what someone *should* be getting.
Look at Frith...

uhm no more Frithing if Tenb brings back ancient Rules.

Nasty side effect: T4 Plate

(yep, I just can't hold my hatred toward this monsterous T1 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

This post has been edited by HTTP/308: Feb 1 2013, 18:18

Nasty side effect: T4 Plate

(yep, I just can't hold my hatred toward this monsterous T1 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

Good Idea and bring back Chainmail as T1 Bazaar fodder.
Pretty unfair that heavy has only good ones while light is plagued by leather and Cloth by Cotton and Goassamer (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Q: For 5k, a) wouldn't it be more prudent to thing yourself in less time and (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) if away, use that place for H@H instead?

Though both being true wouldn't stop it though.

Can we have an update on the drop rate? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Does this apply only to Normal difficulty? Does it apply only to artefacts and equipment?

I'm not going to be able to pay my daily equipment rental fee (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Level 1501 is looking impossible. So cruel (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

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This post has been edited by TheTornPrince: Feb 1 2013, 19:51

Can we have an update on the drop rate? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Does this only apply to Normal?

I'm not even going to be able to pay my daily equipment rental fee (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Level 1501 is looking impossible. So cruel (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

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Either you had a bad day or tenb changed something to GF since no change for normal Arenas.

Either you had a bad day or tenb changed something to GF since no change for normal Arenas.

It's not bad luck. The artefact drop rate in Normal Grindfest appears to be about one tenth of its previous level, and equipment drop rate looks to be about half.

The crystal drop rate seems to be the same as before. While that may appear good, the problem is that Eila will soon have four maxed stats so I only need Vigour and Fortitude. I was planning on buying them from the bazaar, but that will now be impossible. Getting them as drops would take ages, and I'd be left with over 10million stat crystals I couldn't use. I shall have to rethink my approach (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

The era of Normal farming appears to be at an end. Now the only thing that matters is crystals per hour. I'll have to compare the different difficulty settings to see which is best.

I wonder what this will do to hath prices. With Normal farmers no longer selling hath the price may increase considerably. Income for the Moogle War Veterans Foundation will likely collapse as well. I feel sorry for those poor Moogles (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Can we have an update on the drop rate? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Does this apply only to Normal difficulty? Does it apply only to artefacts and equipment?

I'm not going to be able to pay my daily equipment rental fee (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Level 1501 is looking impossible. So cruel (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

(IMG:[sadpanda.us] http://sadpanda.us/images/1360579-J6QNDPG.gif)

Stop trying to change your sexual orientation and go back to melee. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Evil Scorpio, those words on a porn site shouldn't be uttered lightly.

Evil Scorpio, those words on a porn site shouldn't be uttered lightly.

Well, I'm pretty sure Frith Torn isn't gay enough to be a mage, and his insanity can't substitute this lack. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Stop trying to change your sexual orientation and go back to melee. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

It's too late. I've already had my melee gear surgically removed (sold it). There's no turning back now.