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I don't really see the problem with the increased riddlemaster puzzles. Why would you want to be against something to decrease the botters? It isn't that annoying to push 3 buttons in order to continue with your Arena, right?

I don't really see the problem with the increased riddlemaster puzzles. Why would you want to be against something to decrease the botters? It isn't that annoying to push 3 buttons in order to continue with your Arena, right?

It's annoying because more riddles -> more chance of failing -> more stamina loss.

in the time it takes to do riddlemaster one could do far more rounds, so first few arenas aren't now worth the time.

I don't really see the problem with the increased riddlemaster puzzles. Why would you want to be against something to decrease the botters? It isn't that annoying to push 3 buttons in order to continue with your Arena, right?

It's annoying because more riddles -> more chance of failing -> more stamina loss.

To be honest, I don't really care about the botters. We're not playing a PvP MMORPG game. There's no real 'pay to enhance your HV gaming e-peen' ever since donations got closed. My gaming experience is not unduly affected by botters. Why, yes, I'm shallow, narrow-minded and selfish, how can you tell?

And even if I cared about botters, using Riddlemaster as a beef gate is just stupid for Arenas. The minimum IW battle series is ~30 for a Crude up to 200 rounds. RoB cannot be Riddlemastered. Grindfest can run for thousands and tens of thousands of rounds. It makes sense to have Riddlemaster then.

But for Arenas? You can only go in *once* per day. The maximum number of rounds is *100*. If I wanted to run a bot, I'd run it against DwD and other schoolgirl marathons, because (a) EXP multiplier, (2) increased credits per round, (iii) more nerfed Trophies, and finally, it's goddamn boring otherwise.

Now, maybe the stats invalidate my thinking, and it isn't true that botters would go for the long-ass Arenas. What is true, however, is that Round 2 Riddlemasters are a waste of time and smacks of laziness. Seriously, what the fuck is the point of a bot in a 2-round Arena? Or even a 10-round Arena?

I'd put up with the annoyance if Round 2 Riddlemaster challenges recovered HP/MP/SP.

Give Blessing of the Riddlemaster more damage bonus, increased crit rate, and anti-evade/parry/resist. Being able to clear the next few rounds quicker (partly) makes up for having to deal with the thing in the first place, right?

Give Blessing of the Riddlemaster more damage bonus, increased crit rate, and anti-evade/parry/resist. Being able to clear the next few rounds quicker (partly) makes up for having to deal with the thing in the first place, right?

Make it last 5X its current duration as well. It would almost be like an extra Heartseeker/Arcane Focus, and if you combined HP+MP+SP Gem effects, people would *start* asking for MORE Riddlemaster rather than less.

Make it last 5X its current duration as well. It would almost be like an extra Heartseeker/Arcane Focus, and if you combined HP+MP+SP Gem effects, people would *start* asking for MORE Riddlemaster rather than less.

It doesn't recover SP.

It doesn't recover SP.

That's why he said IF they did have that effect, it would actually be of some benefit to players.

I actually want to lose stamina sometimes. Fighting 400 rounds arena everyday is like a chore now. Less stamina = less farming = less work. I still have tons of energy drink in case i need some stamina.

I actually want to lose stamina sometimes. Fighting 400 rounds arena everyday is like a chore now. Less stamina = less farming = less work. I still have tons of energy drink in case i need some stamina.

On days I don't feel like farming I just don't, regardless of my stamina >.> No real reason to do what I don't want to.

It takes what, 3-5 seconds to complete either puzzle? Pretty small price. Suppose the person you're bidding against has an extra 100 million credits from boting all the time. Good luck wining that new item in an auction. SP recovery and longer duration wouldn't be amiss though.

It takes what, 3-5 seconds to complete either puzzle? Pretty small price. Suppose the person you're bidding against has an extra 100 million credits from boting all the time. Good luck wining that new item in an auction. SP recovery and longer duration wouldn't be amiss though.

impossible， except botter can solve the pony riddle automaticly, even someone can do that

let's do some evaluations, one mob can give 6c maxium, one round can have 10 mobs maxium, let's assume botter had rent a server in neitherland, he have 10ms minus latency, can clear IWBTH in one seconds, he can do 4hrs without be noticed, then he can have 60*3600*4 = 864 000c per day, he need keeping doing this for 3 month, then he can have 100 million

oh, that's sistuation before t changed the gf, now he can only have c by sell equipments and crystals, but direct equip selling is recorded, and selling crystals to other players is hard

This post has been edited by eqwer: Feb 1 2013, 15:34

It takes what, 3-5 seconds to complete either puzzle? Pretty small price. Suppose the person you're bidding against has an extra 100 million credits from boting all the time. Good luck wining that new item in an auction. SP recovery and longer duration wouldn't be amiss though.

I play pretty far from the screen using only one hand on the keyboard, and don't pay much attention to the game itself, but whenever a riddle pops up, I have to put down what I'm holding in my other hand, move closer to the screen and then solve the puzzle.

It's already pretty annoying as it was before, now it's almost unbearable that I don't even use up more than 10 stamina on week days, and I just don't care enough if other people are getting more credits than I am, rather have a smoother playing experience.



post edit: typo

This post has been edited by holerider: Feb 1 2013, 15:31

It takes what, 3-5 seconds to complete either puzzle? Pretty small price. Suppose the person you're bidding against has an extra 100 million credits from boting all the time. Good luck wining that new item in an auction. SP recovery and longer duration wouldn't be amiss though.

Here's the point. Riddlemaster challenges break your flow. They're designed to do that, so that they have a halfway decent chance of screwing around with a bot. They are all but useless in lower-round Arenas, because you CANNOT accumulate sufficient credits to make it worthwhile. Again, Arenas are available ONLY once a day, and in the case of any Arena lower than 25 rounds, even on IWBTH, take so little time that I'M the bloody bot, not some software programme.

I would, if I could, recommend compulsory Riddlemaster every 10 rounds in all battles. Any Arena less than 10 rounds (including RoB, obviously) gets off scot-free, IW + GF has Round 2 Riddlemaster. And if the Riddlemaster challenge is met:

1. 15% Phys+Mag attack bonus, +5% Phys+Mag crit bonus for 125 rounds
2. HP Gem
3. MP Gem
4. MP Gem

Actually, this is a win-win for everyone. I think mages would love this, because it means they could go longer in higher difficulties. It would sure as hell stop me from complaining that this patch (and most likely all future patches) suxxor.

It takes what, 3-5 seconds to complete either puzzle? Pretty small price. Suppose the person you're bidding against has an extra 100 million credits from boting all the time. Good luck wining that new item in an auction. SP recovery and longer duration wouldn't be amiss though.

Ok, let's get some calculations done.

Before, we used to get riddles at about round 10-20 for arenas.

So assuming the botter only do up to 10 round one, we'll have 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10 = 55 rounds of arena.

Now I just did a RE with 7 mobs, giving me 155 credits in IWBTH. That's about 22c a mob on IWBTH.

For the first few arenas, there are about 3-4 mobs usually. I can't access Wiki atm so I can't confirm. Let's just assume it's 4 mobs. 4 * 55 = 220 mobs * 22c = 4840c.

How would you gain anything from doing this? 5k a day. That's assuming he/she is strong enough to do IWBTH arenas up to 10 rounds, which means you have to be level 140 or so.

How many accounts do you have to spam for this to be worthwhile (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

To be honest, I don't really care about the botters. We're not playing a PvP MMORPG game. There's no real 'pay to enhance your HV gaming e-peen' ever since donations got closed. My gaming experience is not unduly affected by botters. Why, yes, I'm shallow, narrow-minded and selfish, how can you tell?

Well... More credits = inflation. So things you first had to pay, say, 14000 credits, you will now have to pay 16000 credits. These kind of situations never go well. Take Germany after World War 1. The government had printed so much money that the currency that they were using wasn't worth anything anymore. (Of course these are extreme cases, and the chances that this will happen are really slim.)

And I don't think you're shallow, narrow-minded and selfish at all. I don't care that much if there are botters, since this game is playable without other players. It just becomes a little harder to get good stuff for not that many credits. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


@ChosenUno

It don't think it is really that hard to spam a lot of accounts, if you have found a way to bot, to be honest.

This post has been edited by SoraNoAki: Feb 1 2013, 16:27

Well, if it was only those 5k a day, per account, if hes been playing as long as you have that 5.5 million (not including any other drops). If we're talking about Mechafujoshi's 50 accounts, that would be over 273 million.

The Bot situation must be pretty horrible if Tenb is forced to to something like that.

At this point I'm close to suggest to go back to the ancient rules. Daily Limit on IW, Limit on GF.
Not tradeable Crystals, Materials, Trophies...

This post has been edited by Ichy: Feb 1 2013, 16:42

Here's the point. Riddlemaster challenges break your flow. They're designed to do that, so that they have a halfway decent chance of screwing around with a bot. They are all but useless in lower-round Arenas, because you CANNOT accumulate sufficient credits to make it worthwhile. Again, Arenas are available ONLY once a day, and in the case of any Arena lower than 25 rounds, even on IWBTH, take so little time that I'M the bloody bot, not some software programme.

I would, if I could, recommend compulsory Riddlemaster every 10 rounds in all battles. Any Arena less than 10 rounds (including RoB, obviously) gets off scot-free, IW + GF has Round 2 Riddlemaster. And if the Riddlemaster challenge is met:

1. 15% Phys+Mag attack bonus, +5% Phys+Mag crit bonus for 125 rounds
2. HP Gem
3. MP Gem
4. MP Gem

Actually, this is a win-win for everyone. I think mages would love this, because it means they could go longer in higher difficulties. It would sure as hell stop me from complaining that this patch (and most likely all future patches) suxxor.

I sorta agree except I think it should be +/- 5 .

Every 5-15 rounds. Otherwise, you could easily set up a function to just warn the user every 10th turn. I don't know if the script I was asking about making is allowed, but l'm sure that some bot user somewhere has already made a script that gives the solution to the rm problems AND answers them.

The Bot situation must be pretty horrible if Tenb is forced to to something like that.

At this point I'm close to suggest to go back to the ancient rules. Daily Limit on IW, Limit on GF.
Not tradeable Crystals, Materials, Trophies...

Sellable and buyable through the market still I hope, lol. But otherwise, I sorta agree with that thought.


Is there like no rule about multiple accounts or something? (Sorry, but I forget, some sites do and others don't and I forget which one this is)

This post has been edited by MikukoAya: Feb 1 2013, 16:52

Sellable and buyable through the market still I hope, lol. But otherwise, I sorta agree with that thought.
Is there like no rule about multiple accounts or something? (Sorry, but I forget, some sites do and others don't and I forget which one this is)

Sure why not? The main Idea is the following: Tenb can get a pretty good Idea of what a guy can get in one day. With some long time tracking he can pretty much tell if someone is getting more shit than he is supposed to and look closer.

The guys who is just using their bot to clear his daily HV work is harmless. Still unfair but harmless compared to big time cheaters.

Yeah multi accounting is against the rules but if the guy is clever tenb has a hard time to find out.