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post Feb 1 2013, 04:13
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Feb 1 2013, 01:30) *

These botters probably auto clear Arena 1, 2 3 and so far until the first riddle shows up.
Sadly no way to stop this without being annoying for us.


How many rounds is that?
Probably less than 50.
That many rounds probably give you less than 2000 credits total.

I don't see the reason why he wants to make arenas more tedious than they already are (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Feb 1 2013, 05:15
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Feb 1 2013, 12:13) *

How many rounds is that?
Probably less than 50.
That many rounds probably give you less than 2000 credits total.

I don't see the reason why he wants to make arenas more tedious than they already are (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Agreed, and it's not like 'real' gold farming - I'm not about to put cold hard cash down for equips, artifacts, ponies - even hath!

I mean, no seriously, how stupid is it to go into the 2-round Arena now?
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post Feb 1 2013, 05:45
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Feb 1 2013, 04:13) *

How many rounds is that?
Probably less than 50.
That many rounds probably give you less than 2000 credits total.

I don't see the reason why he wants to make arenas more tedious than they already are (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Create multiple accounts.
add cheap plate to them.
make them do these arenas daily.
????
PROFIT!
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post Feb 1 2013, 06:15
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The day before, I posted
QUOTE(mechafujoshi @ Jan 30 2013, 23:47) *

At first, I was bummed that I couldn't aggregate my ~100 cheap daily Chaos tokens between my 50 accounts where my bot plays the first 12 arenas each day on Normal (and some RoB), but now I just create 2 cheap monsters per account, send out crystals from my central crystal grinding account, and aggregate the mats. I figure it'll even take a little longer until my current TrollNet gets banned, since 100 cheap monsters stand out less than one new fully upgraded behemoth every 23 days.


and the very next day, we got round 2 Riddlemasters.
But it's just a coincidence desu!
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post Feb 1 2013, 07:05
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QUOTE(mechafujoshi @ Jan 31 2013, 20:15) *

The day before, I posted
and the very next day, we got round 2 Riddlemasters.
But it's just a coincidence desu!
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Why do you lie? We all know it is your fault, we just aren't blaming you... yet.

(I think I am joking?)

That aside, the multiple riddlemaster seems to work after the round 2 RM. Which is really really nice since it really does reduce the loss of ET a bit in long arena runs. unfortunately, unless the round 2 RM is fixed to give hp/mp, the shorter runs aren't as worth it.

And darn it tenb, don't put out the next big patch just yet x.x I've been gaining like 10 or so levels per day for the past few days and I don't want it to be for nothing D:

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post Feb 1 2013, 07:28
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jan 28 2013, 11:38) *

Yeah, I guess it can't actually generate that combination. Random, then.
To the moon~!
Dunno. Probably not, I think that's too complex for the inline rewriting I'm using to retcon gear.


Would it be possible to change Astral weapons/staffs to Ethereal? Simply change the Elemental Strike to Void and zero out the Burden/Interference. For weapons that have been leveled up to level 10, replace the other Void strike with either Dark or Holy either randomly or based on an arbitrary value (Item level even = holy/odd = dark). For staffs, I think that the elemination of Burden may make up for the loss of Soul EDB. Just a thought.
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post Feb 1 2013, 08:55
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Feb 1 2013, 03:45) *

Create multiple accounts.
add cheap plate to them.
make them do these arenas daily.
????
PROFIT!


Logging out of HV is a bitch though.
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post Feb 1 2013, 09:33
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Literally tons of riddlemasters in every direction. This game is so much fun.
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post Feb 1 2013, 10:05
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I don't really see the problem with the increased riddlemaster puzzles. Why would you want to be against something to decrease the botters? It isn't that annoying to push 3 buttons in order to continue with your Arena, right?
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post Feb 1 2013, 11:10
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QUOTE(SoraNoAki @ Feb 1 2013, 15:05) *

I don't really see the problem with the increased riddlemaster puzzles. Why would you want to be against something to decrease the botters? It isn't that annoying to push 3 buttons in order to continue with your Arena, right?


It's annoying because more riddles -> more chance of failing -> more stamina loss.
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post Feb 1 2013, 11:46
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in the time it takes to do riddlemaster one could do far more rounds, so first few arenas aren't now worth the time.
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post Feb 1 2013, 11:50
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QUOTE(SoraNoAki @ Feb 1 2013, 18:05) *

I don't really see the problem with the increased riddlemaster puzzles. Why would you want to be against something to decrease the botters? It isn't that annoying to push 3 buttons in order to continue with your Arena, right?



QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Feb 1 2013, 19:10) *

It's annoying because more riddles -> more chance of failing -> more stamina loss.


To be honest, I don't really care about the botters. We're not playing a PvP MMORPG game. There's no real 'pay to enhance your HV gaming e-peen' ever since donations got closed. My gaming experience is not unduly affected by botters. Why, yes, I'm shallow, narrow-minded and selfish, how can you tell?

And even if I cared about botters, using Riddlemaster as a beef gate is just stupid for Arenas. The minimum IW battle series is ~30 for a Crude up to 200 rounds. RoB cannot be Riddlemastered. Grindfest can run for thousands and tens of thousands of rounds. It makes sense to have Riddlemaster then.

But for Arenas? You can only go in *once* per day. The maximum number of rounds is *100*. If I wanted to run a bot, I'd run it against DwD and other schoolgirl marathons, because (a) EXP multiplier, (2) increased credits per round, (iii) more nerfed Trophies, and finally, it's goddamn boring otherwise.

Now, maybe the stats invalidate my thinking, and it isn't true that botters would go for the long-ass Arenas. What is true, however, is that Round 2 Riddlemasters are a waste of time and smacks of laziness. Seriously, what the fuck is the point of a bot in a 2-round Arena? Or even a 10-round Arena?

I'd put up with the annoyance if Round 2 Riddlemaster challenges recovered HP/MP/SP.
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post Feb 1 2013, 12:50
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Give Blessing of the Riddlemaster more damage bonus, increased crit rate, and anti-evade/parry/resist. Being able to clear the next few rounds quicker (partly) makes up for having to deal with the thing in the first place, right?
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post Feb 1 2013, 13:01
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ Feb 1 2013, 20:50) *

Give Blessing of the Riddlemaster more damage bonus, increased crit rate, and anti-evade/parry/resist. Being able to clear the next few rounds quicker (partly) makes up for having to deal with the thing in the first place, right?

Make it last 5X its current duration as well. It would almost be like an extra Heartseeker/Arcane Focus, and if you combined HP+MP+SP Gem effects, people would *start* asking for MORE Riddlemaster rather than less.
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post Feb 1 2013, 13:04
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QUOTE(xmagus @ Feb 1 2013, 03:01) *

Make it last 5X its current duration as well. It would almost be like an extra Heartseeker/Arcane Focus, and if you combined HP+MP+SP Gem effects, people would *start* asking for MORE Riddlemaster rather than less.

It doesn't recover SP.
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post Feb 1 2013, 13:11
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QUOTE(sigo8 @ Feb 1 2013, 19:04) *

It doesn't recover SP.


That's why he said IF they did have that effect, it would actually be of some benefit to players.
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post Feb 1 2013, 13:27
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I actually want to lose stamina sometimes. Fighting 400 rounds arena everyday is like a chore now. Less stamina = less farming = less work. I still have tons of energy drink in case i need some stamina.
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post Feb 1 2013, 13:39
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QUOTE(chamois @ Feb 1 2013, 03:27) *

I actually want to lose stamina sometimes. Fighting 400 rounds arena everyday is like a chore now. Less stamina = less farming = less work. I still have tons of energy drink in case i need some stamina.


On days I don't feel like farming I just don't, regardless of my stamina >.> No real reason to do what I don't want to.
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post Feb 1 2013, 14:23
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It takes what, 3-5 seconds to complete either puzzle? Pretty small price. Suppose the person you're bidding against has an extra 100 million credits from boting all the time. Good luck wining that new item in an auction. SP recovery and longer duration wouldn't be amiss though.
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post Feb 1 2013, 15:25
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QUOTE(Arxdewn @ Feb 1 2013, 14:23) *

It takes what, 3-5 seconds to complete either puzzle? Pretty small price. Suppose the person you're bidding against has an extra 100 million credits from boting all the time. Good luck wining that new item in an auction. SP recovery and longer duration wouldn't be amiss though.

impossible, except botter can solve the pony riddle automaticly, even someone can do that

let's do some evaluations, one mob can give 6c maxium, one round can have 10 mobs maxium, let's assume botter had rent a server in neitherland, he have 10ms minus latency, can clear IWBTH in one seconds, he can do 4hrs without be noticed, then he can have 60*3600*4 = 864 000c per day, he need keeping doing this for 3 month, then he can have 100 million

oh, that's sistuation before t changed the gf, now he can only have c by sell equipments and crystals, but direct equip selling is recorded, and selling crystals to other players is hard

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